Rory W
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The Irish Times used to own the Irish Press building before it sold it on – I think the guy just doesn’t know what he’s on about.
The Corn Exchange would have made an impressive theatre alright but is just facade retention as you said and I’d doubt you’d be able to kick out the 100 or so different owners of the apartments behind!
@Graham Hickey wrote:
The civic-mindedness of The Irish Times might usefully be appealed to, in relation to the former Irish Press building on Burgh Quay, which it owns, the site of which would provide for a suitably magnificent waterfront home for the Abbey.
Copyright: The Sunday TimesDoes this guy even live in Dublin – the former Irish Press building was redeveloped over 3 years ago and is now the Immegration Bureau! Jeez talk about press accuracy :confused:
@StephenC wrote:
It is amazing how quick and determined the Govt have been in deciding this issue…. No such determination with the confirmation of SPAs and SCAs as required under EU law or proposed NHAs. Money talks it seems.
This has been discussed since 2000 is 4 years not enough for a decision?
@P11 Comms wrote:
“I see this as a regressive step towards car-dependence. I guess it was kind of inevitable as middle class people wanted to shop in IKEA so much.”
Extending the Luas Green line to Ballymun IKEA would solve that problem. This would create a public transport corridor from Cherrywood to Ballymun right through the heart of Ikea Customer land as well as the city centre.
It would be a win-win situation all round.
Yes because its great fun to lug a flat pack piece of furniture on a tram.
I once tried to bring a flat pack bookcase many years ago from Bargaintown to my apartment in the IFSC via public transport – bloody thing nearly gave me a hernia/heart attack/both.
People will drive there – I’m sorry but its true.
@Devin wrote:
The Zoe scheme kept the jagged streetline of the previous buildings as well, such was the effort to be historical.
Are you sure they didn’t just forget the chalk line that day??? 😉
@Graham Hickey wrote:
And the neighbouring development – predictable stuff:
that last Building is shite – looks like it cost 50p to ‘design’
@adhoc wrote:
Dublin Bus plan to construct a new bus interchange in the city centre on a 0.35Ha (0.86 acre) site at Upper Abbey Street/Great Strand Street.
And the daft idea of the year award goes to…
How are they going to access this site give the Luas based restrictions in this area
Reasons for sprawl
1) people in this country want houses with front and back gardens detatched if possible because they have been conditioned to believe that this is the most desirable thing to have. And lets face it when you see the shit quality of apartment dwelling in this country its no wonder people have fear of “the new Ballymun” (TM all newspapers (local and national) ever). Hence people want their bit of land fron (park the car) and back (pen the kids in).2) it’s fuck all to do with class – we’re all better off now hence we want bigger houses on bigger bits of land
3) its rural to urban migration not immigration that is an issue (ps most so called immigration to this country since the boom are returned migrants not ‘johnny foreigner’)
Separate points) Could you imagine if out of town shopping had not been built – Dublin city centre would be impossible to move in on a Saturday. Blanchardstown may not be architecturally pretty but in retail terms these things are necessary evils because they act as safety valves.
If this is a doughnut city tell me why is Grafton Street one of the most expensive per square foot on earth – ddoesn’t sound like ‘the projects’ to me!
“Aren’t people terrible – something really should be done about it” is all thats missing from the article.
@chewy wrote:
ok, good point
then why has front garden merrion square opened to the public and front garden st stephens green opened how are they different?
Merrion Square was sold to the Archbishop of Dublin – hence the official name of the park Dr Ryan Park when it was donated to the city (They had planned to build a big cathederal here at one stage). St Stephen’s Green isn’t a Georgian Square but its ownership was taken over by Lord Ardilaun (Benjemin Lee Guinness – I think) when the centre of the square became derelict. He then renovated it at his own expense and donated it to the city – hence his statue facing out of the Green down York Street. The fact that Fitzwilliam Square is the only one to retain its original ownership structure is what makes it different.
@chewy wrote:
but what does he want as an alternative?
fitzwilliam park was closed to the public because peasents couldn’t be trusted to use the park properly
It was never open to the general public, keyholders are those who own residences on the square (its their front gardens). I think it should be kept private to be honest with you purely on the basis that it would lose its mistique if opened up (and I wouldn’t want my front garden taken over either)
@nada wrote:
Wasnt Cafebardeli on georges street once a bewleys ?- granted I was never there when it was but from what I’ve heard they kept the interior pretty much the same, even the furniture. The big difference is cafebardeli offer great food and value for money instead of canteen tripe, bad service and worst of all miserable coffee..
It was indeed and it was the oldest of all the Bewleys branches. It shows what can be done if people put their mind to running a decent offering can do in what is still quite a large premises. Its where I would go in town rather than Bewleys for a spot of lunch (plus a pint/glass of wine if the mood takes you!)
@Diaspora wrote:
The Dublin Bread Company building must be the most bizarre building ever seen in Ireland, I had never seen it in comparison with what was there before and I’d have to say I still like it for its sheer brass neck.
Never get built today – An Taisce would complain due to its bulk and being out of place on a Georgian Street 😉
SavebewleysCafe wrote:Rory your sense of humour is always well apreciated and well directed, but do you not feel that it was more a case of Granada Knutsford running the Willow Room in Glasgow since the revamp?
]Bizarrely it was Granada Services Knutsford that I was thinking of when I wrote it!
I agree that a fully restored Bewleys would be great with proper levels and rooms (could make an excellent venue on the upper floors for the ladies that Lunch in that area instead of Fitzers etc for the BT crowd) open a decent mid price restaurant in the great hall (with waitress service). Restore the Mezzanine area to what it used to be (a place for an excellent breakfast or afternoon tea served by friendly waiting staff) and reopen the basement cafe as the place to hang out for hours reading books.
All with proper food and proper coffee
And as one who works in the world of Branding – Campbells should lose the right to the Bewleys name. All they did was asset strip it.
or
Bewleys to rename itself as “Bewleys Oriental Cafe – nothing to do with campbell catering and their mass produced cack – but the proper Bewleys, you know the proper one James Joyce went to!” to use the full title 😉
@GregF wrote:
Another little bit of European style life is gone……….boulangerie patisserie et cafe, etc….
sorry Bewleys was more Granada Motoway Services food than Boulangeri, patisserie et cafe
@mickeydocs wrote:
I think you missed my point. I take the train everyday over my car because I believe that if we are to champion a solution we should use the solution.
Traffic in Dublin/Cork/Limerick/Waterford…etc, etc is a nightmare. We are over-reliant on the car. Enough of the clichés. My point was that if reliability is the reason why people returned to using the cars then we have a very difficult battle on our hands getting the Irish commuter public to use trains.
I do not trust Irish Rail with their existing strategy. The Irish Govt has proven itself wholly incompetent in relation to large scale infrastructure development. The Luas was a very expensive joke. I do not want to see another cent spent by these buffoons. This will be a case of throwing more good money…
1. Why not make these people accountable for the vast sums already spent. Let’s start by using capacity on the commuter trains as part of the ‘metro’ dart solution.
2. Why not insist on improving tax deductions to commuters. I previously lived in Belgium, where I commuted 100Km each morning. My monthly train ticket cost 40 euros and included metro, light rail, bus and commuter rail!!!!!!!!!!
3. Why not put regional development back on the agenda. Why do people living in Drogheda or Kildare have to travel to Dublin. Why does the government not actively promote Drogheda as a good location for fdi?In answer – 1 – Commuter Trains, this morning I had the Joy of standing from Drogheda to Pearse, if this aint capacity I don’t know what is!
2 – Agree whole heartedly – I don’t enjoy spending almost 2k per annum for standing
3 – House prices are the reason people live in Drogheda or Kildare, it aint by choice you know! There is no value for money to be found in the City.Wow – suddenly I’m back in civilisation again with late trains!!! Cheers for that lostcarpark – just one last question – how can I get my hands on the new timetable that you’re quoting from (other than waiting for it to appear at the stations) as it doesn’t seem to be on the irishrail site yet?
Thanks
