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@mickeydocs wrote:
Drogheda also has very many factors that go against it. There is no third level college in the town. There is a serious crime problem. The drug problem is also well out of hand. Traffic problems are excessive for such a small town. Water quality is awful. Amenities are very limited. The cultural life of the town is noticeable by its absence. The prices in the town for property and for general goods is scandalous.
Drogheda’s potential is entirely based on proximity to Dublin. It is already a dormitory town and this will only be accentuated by developments such as the proposed 23 storey appartment block.
Comparing Drogheda to Fremantle gave me a laugh. Bettystown doesn’t actually compare with the beaches of western australia 🙂
BTW, have you been to Fremantle?Ah it’s not that bad – show me a town in Ireland that doesn’t suffer from most if not all of these problems.
The apartment block is only part of the development, it’s the facilities (bars restaurants and shops which are attractive for retaining people and shops within the town. Its far better that development goes on close to the heart of the old town rather than out be the M1 don’t you think. By taking a gamble and pulling good quality shops bars and restaurants into what could be a good looking town (close to ports and airports and located between Dublin and Belfast) further investment (including aforementioned Japanese/American firm) could follow.
My point about Perth/Freemantle was based more on distance and flows between the two (I was there and Freeo is quaint & pretty compared with Drogheda but with a bit of work and a lot of imagination….)
There was a plan mooted that I found very sensible indeed for an outer ring road running from the M1 at Drogheda to the M7/M9 intersection between Naas and Newbridge – far enough out that you wouldn’t get the M50 effect in terms of development and all the northern trucks could completely bypass the capital if they were heading for Rosslare, Cork, Waterford and Galway – all made perfect sense to me.
Wonder what happened to this plan
You’d sware they were moving the prison to the blasket islands the way some people are talking on this site.
Does the fact that prisoners are kept on a site within the canals mean that they reoffend less on release – no probably not. If people want to visit their dear encarcerated bretheren in North Co Dublin then what is wrong with them having to take – shock horror – two buses. Most buses don’t run along the North Circular you know
Graham Hickey wrote:I’d agree with that. It’s unfortunate as Drogheda has lots going for it, esp architecturally, yet it still has a name as being something of a kip to put it maybe too strongly. But that’s the impression that’s generated by people in the North East overall]Drogheda is a town with huge potential – probably why Gerry Barrett is promoting this scheme – infact there is no where else in Ireland with its combination of factors (close to Dublin – but not too close, port and beaches nearby, on the line to Belfast, great connectivity but al;so has distinct community spirit). It just has to look beyond its past, but also not to see itself as a dormitary for Dublin. The only example I can think of off hand is that It could be the Irish equivalent of Freemantle to Perth Australia, both distinct but complementary.
@anto wrote:
Whatever about the criminals being locked up, what about the families and kids? These people are some of the poorest and most marginalised in the country so obviuosly MacDool doesn’t give a shit about them.
Boo hoo I feel so sorry for them – my god they may have to suffer a provincial bus – imagine that, they might have to mix with commuters
@mickeydocs wrote:
No disrespect but Drogheda is already a dull dormitary town. Take the train into Dublin in the morning and you will realise that the upwardly mobile work in Dublin.
Thanks for the complement been on that train into Dublin for the last 3 years, feel like I’ve aged 30 years to be honest (leave house at 7.18 – home at night 19:45). It is indeed a dull domitary town but wouldn’t it be nice if commuter people wanted to shop and socialise in Drogheda rather than Dublin?
@Lotts wrote:
Going to be hard on visitors to the prison to get there from…oh – anywhere I guess. except Thorntown
Well if you don’t want to do the time…
Green field site is excellent idea – make sure there is a large exclusion zone around it so people can’t chuck lumps of heroin over the wall as they do in the Joy
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Certainly looks later than 1980 anyway. Here’s the link to the engineering/materials firm that built the Arnotts extention – it’s here that says 1980. Intersting bits and pieces of info about the job:
Must be 1990 (1980 must be a typo) if it says they were utilising the benefits of the 1986 Urban renewal act! (and I remember being in secondary school when it was being done!)
@mickeydocs wrote:
5 mins on foot.
The locals are up in arms as they are already very concerned that the Scotch Hall Development will have a detrimental effect on the Main street.
Well the head of the Chamber of commerce is, but his shop is on the main street (versted interest anyone). Truth is Drogheda is losing trade hand over fist to Blanchardstown, Dundalk and Pavillions, Swords in terms of shopping. And considering the massive growth in the town the shopping infrastructure hasn’t changed in over 20 years – the local Dunnes and Tesco (West Street) are both small 1960s relics. Downtown bars are either for 18-25 year olds or the 50+s. And don’t get me started on restaurants – suffice to say choice is exceedingly limited. Drogheda’s poulation is now 35,000+ and with a raft of rezoning this population will grow larger over the next few years.
Drogheda has a chance to become a destination for shopping, dining and drinking with this plan if it is carried out to plan. It would be lovely to sit Boyneside during the summer on a boardwalk having a pint before going for a meal (all far removed from traffic) in a cosmopolitan enviroinment. Why should the cities get all the fun?
Don’t let it become another dull dormitary town.
Considering the price of airtime you don’t want to be giving free ads away + given the restrictions on advertising alcohol you could only use that promo in the evening when the audience are in the majority adult. Hence airbrushing, but it does look better as well.
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
The internal railings are all repro Graham… Think the dome was later tha 1980 too…
Twas at least 1990 when the dome went in
@StephenC wrote:
Notice the way all the side windows of the original have been bricked up or were just fake windows to begin with. Also guys this photo doesnt tell you what the rendering to the building looked like…. may well have been a lovely bright yellow!
They would have been niches to begin with rather than bricked up
@P11 Comms wrote:
Dublin Airport is 3.5 Kms away from the DART (already fully integrated with with Regional and National Rail, Luas and Bus service) and there is nothing in between but empty countryside.
This line is already at capacity – the last thing it needs is more trains on it. It doesnt matter that there is nothing between the airport and the line if there is not capacity on the busiest train line in the country to run it. Unless you want to remove some of the northern suburban, Malahide and Howth services
So what do you make of the news that the owneers of CafeBarDeli aree in negotiations to run a wine bar and restaurant in the Grafton St branch (with a Bewleys shop at the front)?
@Colito wrote:
Tip: Don’t drink in Temple Bar – I am a Dubliner, who has lived half of my adult life in this city, but avoided going to temple bar for a few sherries for reasons of snobbery/distaste/dislike of loud shirts, I was proven correct in my attitude last evening, I don’t know much about chicken, but it was foul. Nasty.
Sure nobody Irish goes to Temple Bar anymore – what were you thinking?
@TLM wrote:
Is that the Liebeskind theatre that was the Abbey’s replacement for down there or is that separate altogether?
I think that’s it alright – is it a theatre or a concert venue or a art space?
@burge_eye wrote:
The Wexford CDP doesn’t list it as a protected structure but it probably hasn’t been updated recently
Don’t say that – it sounds like the excuse used for Archers garage! That said I recon watch out for bank holidays or mysterious fires
@burge_eye wrote:
This is probably a stupid idea as I know nothing about the size of buidling required, but would the Bolands Mill site work (retain shell and place theatre inside)? With all the regen in that area…
Considering the DDDA offered the Abbey a site in the Grand Canal Harbour development for free and it was turned down (Taoiseach doesn’t want it to leave the Northside) its anon runner I’m afraid.
Wonder what cultural element is going in its stead (that part of the site is designated cultural)?
@StephenC wrote:
No. The plan is to complete the north end of the street first and then finally this small stretch. I know – its bizzare. Thats why Im wondering what the rationale behind it is.
Theres a new contempary shopfront being added to the snnoker hall up near the Royal Dublin (still cant remember the name). Gone are the old decorative cast-iron style lighting,,,,in comes modern steel. Its not finished yet but it might work – particularly in light of new pavement and new RDH facade.
Ned Kellys – or ned kelly’s sports club (all lower case) to give it it’s full title. Past it yesterday, looks quite good andlooks a million times better than the horrific Dr Quirkeys
