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@Praxiteles wrote:
Now we are on to something…MEGALOMANIA. That was the driving force in the Cobh debacle.
That and unbridled clerical ambition lie behind most of the ecclesial wreckage witnessed unremittingly over the past 40 years. Just notice who were rewarded (and quite handsomely, too) for their efforts at iconoclasm and desacralisation, and who were punished for their perceived recalcitrance in upholding and preserving the Church’s teachings.
If those in positions of responsibility are rewarded for their misfeasance, then more of the same can be expected. If, on the other hand, they are made to face correction and the just desserts of their miscreance, then a corner will have been turned.
Pope Leo X dismissed the budding reformation in Germany as “a mere quarrel among friars” and would continue to feed with his own hand his pet elephant, Hanno (gift of the King of Portugal). He also liked to erect bridges (as a good pontifex ought to do). Now, I like elephants up to a point, and I use bridges whenever possible, but, really, they find a place somewhat lower on my list of priorities than the depositum fidei and the unity of Christendom.
The question arises inexorably: WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY??
@Rhabanus wrote:
Some folk wouldn’t get the drift though standing in a blizzard!
It is a shocking state of affairs when a bishop and his curia are so far out of touch not only with the immemorial custom of their own liturgical tradition but also with the very flock entrusted to their care that they continue to flog rocks and scorpions instead of nourishing the faith of their people and giving them the unfiltered patrimony that is their due as members of the Mystical Body of Christ.
The old saw of “pray, pay, and obey!” has spent itself in Ireland.
Instead of afflicting the People of God with more ideology (or ‘guff’ as Prax so eloquently puts it), it would behove ecclesiastical authorities to protect the Church’s patrimony and to educate the faithful in the truths of Catholicism. Benedict XVI actively encourages the Compendium Catechism of the Catholic Church. Is this being used in the institutions of Catholic education in Ireland?
Is there a bishop anywhere in the Emerald Isle with sufficient instincts of leadership to found a liturgical institute that would teach authentic liturgical science and frame it in relationship to all the other branches in theology? Such an institute would provide education as well in liturgical art and architecture – and not just the various schools of such but provide a deep understanding of the historical development of liturgical art and architeture. After all, how can a tradition be maintained if it is not understood and appreciated?
Given the kind of concerted effort made in the nineteenth century to educate and form clergy and laity in the liturgy, Ireland would see a return to the practice of the Catholic religion. Perhaps, though, the very fear of this lies at the heart of the current ecclesial paralysis.
How many ad limina visits must it take before the penny finally drops?
ACCOUNTABILITY???
AND HOW ABOUT THE HERMENEUTIC OF CONTINUITY???
@samuel j wrote:
Well said…..Novelties not the way to go….. never were and never will be…..
Some folk wouldn’t get the drift though standing in a blizzard!
It is a shocking state of affairs when a bishop and his curia are so far out of touch not only with the immemorial custom of their own liturgical tradition but also with the very flock entrusted to their care that they continue to flog rocks and scorpions instead of nourishing the faith of their people and giving them the unfiltered patrimony that is their due as members of the Mystical Body of Christ.
The old saw of “pray, pay, and obey!” has spent itself in Ireland.
Instead of afflicting the People of God with more ideology (or ‘guff’ as Prax so eloquently puts it), it would behove ecclesiastical authorities to protect the Church’s patrimony and to educate the faithful in the truths of Catholicism. Benedict XVI actively encourages the Compendium Catechism of the Catholic Church. Is this being used in the institutions of Catholic education in Ireland?
Is there a bishop anywhere in the Emerald Isle with sufficient instincts of leadership to found a liturgical institute that would teach authentic liturgical science and frame it in relationship to all the other branches in theology? Such an institute would provide education as well in liturgical art and architecture – and not just the various schools of such but provide a deep understanding of the historical development of liturgical art and architeture. After all, how can a tradition be maintained if it is not understood and appreciated?
Given the kind of concerted effort made in the nineteenth century to educate and form clergy and laity in the liturgy, Ireland would see a return to the practice of the Catholic religion. Perhaps, though, the very fear of this lies at the heart of the current ecclesial paralysis.
How many ad limina visits must it take before the penny finally drops?
ACCOUNTABILITY???
@Praxiteles wrote:
St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
The liturgical guffer is back:
“… some of the most loyal of Catholics are the strongest opponents of the bishop’s desire to bring about changes in his cathedral.” A wise man would take this a sign not lightly to be dismissed. What might this tell the local bishop or even the most inept journalist?
And who is campaigning avidly to bring about all these high falutin’ changes anyway? Are they storming the streets? Are they rallying in the town square? Are they exercised about not being state-of-the-art? The silence is DEAFENING! Perhaps the episcopal palace and the chancery are a-twitter with hopes for sweeping changes to St Colman’s, but your average Joe Catholic prefers that NO NOVELTY be introduced. And your most deeply committed and ardent Catholics absolutely abominate the very notion of modernising, transforming, or in any way desacralising this great House of God.
Read the signs of the times, Gentlefolk!!
@Praxiteles wrote:
The Marian Column in Kutna Hora, central Bohemia, erected 1711-1713
http://www.christendom.edu/images/library/column_blessing.jpg
Archbishop O’Brien blesses the Marian column in the piazza in front of the libary of Christendom College, Virginia.@Praxiteles wrote:
Prostejove (or Prossnitz in German) in Moravia, the Marian cloumn of 1714
Prossnitz was birth place of Edmund Husserl
The Marian columns are stunningly beautiful. Thanks, Praxiteles. I could not find a photo of the one in Lucca, but there is one in that gracious, walled town.
As the shot from 1918 suggests, iconoclasts skulk in the shadows awaiting their opportunity, then after the devilish deed of destruction is done, they stand around gloating and grinning and having their photographs taken for posterity.
The Marian column in Prossnitz must have been regilt recently. The gold in the statue really gleams.
The columns which you have kindly presented are quite breath-taking. I hope that someone decides to write a book on them. They make a most worthy subject.
@descamps wrote:
Hi Archangel and welcome to the thread.
Just because St. Gabriel’s is not a listed building does not mean that you have no options to prevent an unwanted and and unwelcome redevelopment of its interior. Not being listed mearly means that you have not the same range of options available to you as the Friends of St. Colman’s had.
1. An ecclesiastical recourse should be taken by the parishioners or a group of parishioners against the parish priest and Archbishop Martin at the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline fo the Sacraments in Rome. The procedure is straight forward enough but would be more securely followed had you the guidance and expertise of a canonist available to you. Simply write to the parish priest and Archbishop Martin asking them to rescind or amend the decrees that were issued (if issued at all) authorising the development of the interior of the church. If they agree to do so well and good. If not, and you do not hear from them within 28 days (and register your letters with a form of registration requiring signature for delivery) then you can place your case directly before the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as a recourse and ask him to decide the merits of the case. Of course, while this is going on no work can or should take place.
2. Just as a precautionary measure, while your recopurse is going on you could approach the High Court seeking an order to prohibit development of the interior of the church until a decision is given in the ecclesiastical forum i.e. by the Congregation for Divine Worship adn the Discipline of the Sacraments.
3. It would also be useful to engage the services of a good company of solicitors. The Friends of St. Colman’s Cathedral were very well served by Arthur Cox and Co., Earlsford Terrace, Dublin 2.
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Rhabanus smells corruption – and bullyism – and they stink the high heavens!
Cheers to descamps for advising the good Archangel to initiate the due process. No time to waste, Archangel! Use that angelic gift of agility to start the ball rolling.
I shouldn’t be surprised, though, if the wrecking ball slipped into gear before the process got off the ground. When dealing with Iconoclasts, one can never be up too early in the morning – literally! They like to get in before cock-crow so that when the faithful arrive for early Mass, the dirty deed is done and then suddenly no funds are available to repair the damage. But just watch the improvements added to the rectory or parish house. The Ven. J.H. Newman pointed out in the 19th century that funds were scarce for improvements to the church but readily available for improvements to the rectory. What a coincidence!!
Move with all due speed, Archangel, and keep us all informed as to the progress of St Gabriel’s iconodules. The good folk in Guelph Ontario were successful in warding off the wreckovator-priest Vasco, though the silly pastor had to pay him his 56,000.00 USD ‘architect’s fee’ to be rid of him. ‘A
@descamps wrote:
Hi Archangel and welcome to the thread.
Just because St. Gabriel’s is not a listed building does not mean that you have no options to prevent an unwanted and and unwelcome redevelopment of its interior. Not being listed mearly means that you have not the same range of options available to you as the Friends of St. Colman’s had.
1. An ecclesiastical recourse should be taken by the parishioners or a group of parishioners against the parish priest and Archbishop Martin at the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline fo the Sacraments in Rome. The procedure is straight forward enough but would be more securely followed had you the guidance and expertise of a canonist available to you. Simply write to the parish priest and Archbishop Martin asking them to rescind or amend the decrees that were issued (if issued at all) authorising the development of the interior of the church. If they agree to do so well and good. If not, and you do not hear from them within 28 days (and register your letters with a form of registration requiring signature for delivery) then you can place your case directly before the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as a recourse and ask him to decide the merits of the case. Of course, while this is going on no work can or should take place.
2. Just as a precautionary measure, while your recopurse is going on you could approach the High Court seeking an order to prohibit development of the interior of the church until a decision is given in the ecclesiastical forum i.e. by the Congregation for Divine Worship adn the Discipline of the Sacraments.
3. It would also be useful to engage the services of a good company of solicitors. The Friends of St. Colman’s Cathedral were very well served by Arthur Cox and Co., Earlsford Terrace, Dublin 2.
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Rhabanus smells corruption – and bullyism – and they stink the high heavens!
Cheers to descamps for advising the good Archangel to initiate the due process. No time to waste, Archangel! Use that angelic gift of agility to start the ball rolling.
I shouldn’t be surprised, though, if the wrecking ball slipped into gear before the process got off the ground. When dealing with Iconoclasts, one can never be up too early in the morning – literally! They like to get in before cock-crow so that when the faithful arrive for early Mass, the dirty deed is done and then suddenly no funds are available to repair the damage. But just watch the improvements added to the rectory or parish house. The Ven. J.H. Newman pointed out in the 19th century that funds were scarce for improvements to the church but readily available for improvements to the rectory. What a coincidence!!
Move with all due speed, Archangel, and keep us all informed as to the progress of St Gabriel’s iconodules. The good folk in Guelph Ontario were successful in warding off the wreckovator-priest Vasco, though the silly pastor had to pay him his 56,000.00 USD ‘architect’s fee’ to be rid of him. ‘A
@descamps wrote:
Hi Archangel and welcome to the thread.
Just because St. Gabriel’s is not a listed building does not mean that you have no options to prevent an unwanted and and unwelcome redevelopment of its interior. Not being listed mearly means that you have not the same range of options available to you as the Friends of St. Colman’s had.
1. An ecclesiastical recourse should be taken by the parishioners or a group of parishioners against the parish priest and Archbishop Martin at the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline fo the Sacraments in Rome. The procedure is straight forward enough but would be more securely followed had you the guidance and expertise of a canonist available to you. Simply write to the parish priest and Archbishop Martin asking them to rescind or amend the decrees that were issued (if issued at all) authorising the development of the interior of the church. If they agree to do so well and good. If not, and you do not hear from them within 28 days (and register your letters with a form of registration requiring signature for delivery) then you can place your case directly before the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as a recourse and ask him to decide the merits of the case. Of course, while this is going on no work can or should take place.
2. Just as a precautionary measure, while your recopurse is going on you could approach the High Court seeking an order to prohibit development of the interior of the church until a decision is given in the ecclesiastical forum i.e. by the Congregation for Divine Worship adn the Discipline of the Sacraments.
3. It would also be useful to engage the services of a good company of solicitors. The Friends of St. Colman’s Cathedral were very well served by Arthur Cox and Co., Earlsford Terrace, Dublin 2.
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Rhabanus smells corruption – and bullyism – and they stink the high heavens!
Cheers to descamps for advising the good Archangel to initiate the due process. No time to waste, Archangel! Use that angelic gift of agility to start the ball rolling.
I shouldn’t be surprised, though, if the wrecking ball slipped into gear before the process got off the ground. When dealing with Iconoclasts, one can never be up too early in the morning – literally! They like to get in before cock-crow so that when the faithful arrive for early Mass, the dirty deed is done and then suddenly no funds are available to repair the damage. But just watch the improvements added to the rectory or parish house. The Ven. J.H. Newman pointed out in the 19th century that funds were scarce for improvements to the church but readily available for improvements to the rectory. What a coincidence!!
Move with all due speed, Archangel, and keep us all informed as to the progress of St Gabriel’s iconodules. The good folk in Guelph Ontario were successful in warding off the wreckovator-priest Vasco, though the silly pastor had to pay him his 56,000.00 USD ‘architect’s fee’ to be rid of him. ‘A fool and his money are soon parted.’
May the Archangel ward off the angel of death from the precincts of St Gabriel’s!
@descamps wrote:
Hi Archangel and welcome to the thread.
Just because St. Gabriel’s is not a listed building does not mean that you have no options to prevent an unwanted and and unwelcome redevelopment of its interior. Not being listed mearly means that you have not the same range of options available to you as the Friends of St. Colman’s had.
1. An ecclesiastical recourse should be taken by the parishioners or a group of parishioners against the parish priest and Archbishop Martin at the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline fo the Sacraments in Rome. The procedure is straight forward enough but would be more securely followed had you the guidance and expertise of a canonist available to you. Simply write to the parish priest and Archbishop Martin asking them to rescind or amend the decrees that were issued (if issued at all) authorising the development of the interior of the church. If they agree to do so well and good. If not, and you do not hear from them within 28 days (and register your letters with a form of registration requiring signature for delivery) then you can place your case directly before the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as a recourse and ask him to decide the merits of the case. Of course, while this is going on no work can or should take place.
2. Just as a precautionary measure, while your recopurse is going on you could approach the High Court seeking an order to prohibit development of the interior of the church until a decision is given in the ecclesiastical forum i.e. by the Congregation for Divine Worship adn the Discipline of the Sacraments.
3. It would also be useful to engage the services of a good company of solicitors. The Friends of St. Colman’s Cathedral were very well served by Arthur Cox and Co., Earlsford Terrace, Dublin 2.
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Rhabanus smells corruption – and bullyism – and they stink the high heavens!
Cheers to descamps for advising the good Archangel to initiate the due process. No time to waste, Archangel! Use that angelic gift of agility to start the ball rolling.
I shouldn’t be surprised, though, if the wrecking ball slipped into gear before the process got off the ground. When dealing with Iconoclasts, one can never be up too early in the morning – literally! They like to get in before cock-crow so that when the faithful arrive for early Mass, the dirty deed is done and then suddenly no funds are available to repair the damage. But just watch the improvements added to the rectory or parish house. The Ven. J.H. Newman pointed out in the 19th century that funds were scarce for improvements to the church but readily available for improvements to the rectory. What a coincidence!!
Move with all due speed, Archangel, and keep us all informed as to the progress of St Gabriel’s iconodules. The good folk in Guelph Ontario were successful in warding off the wreckovator-priest Vasco, though the silly pastor had to pay him his 56,000.00 USD ‘architect’s fee’ to be rid of him. ‘A
@descamps wrote:
Hi Archangel and welcome to the thread.
Just because St. Gabriel’s is not a listed building does not mean that you have no options to prevent an unwanted and and unwelcome redevelopment of its interior. Not being listed mearly means that you have not the same range of options available to you as the Friends of St. Colman’s had.
1. An ecclesiastical recourse should be taken by the parishioners or a group of parishioners against the parish priest and Archbishop Martin at the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline fo the Sacraments in Rome. The procedure is straight forward enough but would be more securely followed had you the guidance and expertise of a canonist available to you. Simply write to the parish priest and Archbishop Martin asking them to rescind or amend the decrees that were issued (if issued at all) authorising the development of the interior of the church. If they agree to do so well and good. If not, and you do not hear from them within 28 days (and register your letters with a form of registration requiring signature for delivery) then you can place your case directly before the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as a recourse and ask him to decide the merits of the case. Of course, while this is going on no work can or should take place.
2. Just as a precautionary measure, while your recopurse is going on you could approach the High Court seeking an order to prohibit development of the interior of the church until a decision is given in the ecclesiastical forum i.e. by the Congregation for Divine Worship adn the Discipline of the Sacraments.
3. It would also be useful to engage the services of a good company of solicitors. The Friends of St. Colman’s Cathedral were very well served by Arthur Cox and Co., Earlsford Terrace, Dublin 2.
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Rhabanus smells corruption – and bullyism – and they stink the high heavens!
Cheers to descamps for advising the good Archangel to initiate the due process. No time to waste, Archangel! Use that angelic gift of agility to start the ball rolling.
I shouldn’t be surprised, though, if the wrecking ball slipped into gear before the process got off the ground. When dealing with Iconoclasts, one can never be up too early in the morning – literally! They like to get in before cock-crow so that when the faithful arrive for early Mass, the dirty deed is done and then suddenly no funds are available to repair the damage. But just watch the improvements added to the rectory or parish house. The Ven. J.H. Newman pointed out in the 19th century that funds were scarce for improvements to the church but readily available for improvements to the rectory. What a coincidence!!
Move with all due speed, Archangel, and keep us all informed as to the progress of St Gabriel’s iconodules. The good folk in Guelph Ontario were successful in warding off the wreckovator-priest Vasco, though the silly pastor had to pay him his 56,000.00 USD ‘architect’s fee’ to be rid of him. ‘A
@descamps wrote:
Hi Archangel and welcome to the thread.
Just because St. Gabriel’s is not a listed building does not mean that you have no options to prevent an unwanted and and unwelcome redevelopment of its interior. Not being listed mearly means that you have not the same range of options available to you as the Friends of St. Colman’s had.
1. An ecclesiastical recourse should be taken by the parishioners or a group of parishioners against the parish priest and Archbishop Martin at the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline fo the Sacraments in Rome. The procedure is straight forward enough but would be more securely followed had you the guidance and expertise of a canonist available to you. Simply write to the parish priest and Archbishop Martin asking them to rescind or amend the decrees that were issued (if issued at all) authorising the development of the interior of the church. If they agree to do so well and good. If not, and you do not hear from them within 28 days (and register your letters with a form of registration requiring signature for delivery) then you can place your case directly before the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments as a recourse and ask him to decide the merits of the case. Of course, while this is going on no work can or should take place.
2. Just as a precautionary measure, while your recopurse is going on you could approach the High Court seeking an order to prohibit development of the interior of the church until a decision is given in the ecclesiastical forum i.e. by the Congregation for Divine Worship adn the Discipline of the Sacraments.
3. It would also be useful to engage the services of a good company of solicitors. The Friends of St. Colman’s Cathedral were very well served by Arthur Cox and Co., Earlsford Terrace, Dublin 2.
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Is it true that the great open minded Dirmuid Martin shafted the local curate when he came out in support of the parishioners opposed to the development of the church interior?
Rhabanus smells corruption – and bullyism – and they stink the high heavens!
Cheers to descamps for advising the good Archangel to initiate the due process. No time to waste, Archangel! Use that angelic gift of agility to start the ball rolling.
I shouldn’t be surprised, though, if the wrecking ball slipped into gear before the process got off the ground. When dealing with Iconoclasts, one can never be up too early in the morning – literally! They like to get in before cock-crow so that when the faithful arrive for early Mass, the dirty deed is done and then suddenly no funds are available to repair the damage. But just watch the improvements added to the rectory or parish house. The Ven. J.H. Newman pointed out in the 19th century that funds were scarce for improvements to the church but readily available for improvements to the rectory. What a coincidence!!
Move with all due speed, Archangel, and keep us all informed as to the progress of St Gabriel’s iconodules. The good folk in Guelph Ontario were successful in warding off the wreckovator-priest Vasco, though the silly pastor had to pay him his 56,000.00 USD ‘architect’s fee’ to be rid of him. ‘A
@Gianlorenzo wrote:
Great photos, Paul, Thanks.
G.Yes, Paul, many thanks for the splendid photos. The churches photographed are exquisitely beautiful! How they could have been defiled and gutted – in Ireland of all places! – remains part of the mystery of evil. It just goes to show that ‘Satan never sleeps.’
By the way, I am enjoying immensely your book on Dublin street names. Excellent work!
@Praxiteles wrote:
I am posting a picture of the statue of Our Lady on the facade of St. Mary’s, Pope’s Quay, Cork.
Can anyone help in identifying the sculptor? I believe he was a Dublin sculptor.
Cork is privileged indeed to have this particular version of the Immaculata atop a column at Pope’s Quay. Its correspondence with the Immaculata of the Piazza di Spagna Rome ought to be a source of pride and devotion to all who pass by.
The famous Madonna atop the roof of ‘The Sailors’ Church’ (l’Eglise Notre Dame de Bonsecours), Montreal, Canada welcomes sailors into the harbour and blesses those outward bound. The statue depicts Our Lady extending her arms in protection over the harbour. The statue, though striking and quite beautiful, is not the Immaculata of Piazza di Spagna, Cork, Mundelein, or Notre Dame Indiana.
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http://www.limousinemontreal.com/Tourism%20Montreal%20Limo_files/lg_notredame.jpg
@Praxiteles wrote:
And here a picture of the prototype for these marian columns: the marian column of Paul V erected in front of Santa Maria Maggiore in 1613. The statue sits atop the sole surviving column of the Basilica of Maxentius. The architect was Carlo Maderno. The bronze statue is by Guglielmo Bérthelot.
So, the statue of Our Lady on the column overlooking the piazza and basilica of S. Maria Maggiore has been standing there since the year before the publication by Paul V of the Rituale Romanum (1614) – the last of the liturgical books issued in accordance with the mandate of the Council of Trent (1545-63).
She has seen it all since then!
By the way, on a much more mundane note, the pasticceria/bar directly behind the column, and visible in the photograph, used to prepare the best doughnuts and pastries in all of the Eternal City. On my last visit, I discovered that they had removed the lowered ceiling to reveal the medieval beams of the original palazzo and some stucco work. Very nice indeed. The menu was rather more ambitious than I had hitherto recalled. Perhaps a legacy of the late great Canon of M&M’s, Dilwyn Lewis?
@Rhabanus wrote:
Not aware of any more in North America, but do recall one atop a column in Lucca. The Luchese statue of the Immaculata, however, is modelled not on the Immaculata of the Piazza di Spagna, Rome, but the much more more common portrayal of the Immaculata with both hands crossed over Our Lady’s breast – along the lines of Our Lady of Humility (S. Maria dell’ umilta). The Luchese Immaculata, as I recall it from a visit there a decade ago, resembles this latter kind of Madonna. It was this kind of model beside which Pius IX is sometimes portrayed or photographed. A splendid example is found in the church of the XII Apostoli (Dodici Apostoli) where each year, from 30 Nov to 8 Dec, the Conventual Friars who administer the church conduct a famous Novena to the Immaculate Conception and the image dominates the sanctuary of the church.
A comparison of the two types of Immaculata will indicate that the Piazza di Spagna type shows Our Lady with her head facing heavenward, her right hand held aloft, while her left hand points earthward. The standard Immaculata faces downward in humility and crosses both hands over her breast. An example of this can be found in the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Rome, administered by the Capuchin Fathers (also known vulgarly in Rome as “the bone church”).
Yet another model of the Immaculate Conception is also known as Our Lady of Grace. An example of this kind of Immaculata is found on the Miraculous Medal (1830). A painting of this Immaculata is venerated in the Church of Sant’ Andrea delle frati, Rome. It was before this painting of the Immaculata before which the scoffer and skeptic Alphonse Ratisbonne was converted to Catholicism. It is a common feature of Catholic households and churches, far more so than the Pian Immaculata and that in the Piazza di Spagna.
Here is a copy of the Immaculata usually associated with Pius IX. It is from the Czech Republic:
@Praxiteles wrote:
Rhabanus!
Do you know of any other examples in North America or perhaps in Latin America?
Not aware of any more in North America, but do recall one atop a column in Lucca. The Luchese statue of the Immaculata, however, is modelled not on the Immaculata of the Piazza di Spagna, Rome, but the much more more common portrayal of the Immaculata with both hands crossed over Our Lady’s breast – along the lines of Our Lady of Humility (S. Maria dell’ umilta). The Luchese Immaculata, as I recall it from a visit there a decade ago, resembles this latter kind of Madonna. It was this kind of model beside which Pius IX is sometimes portrayed or photographed. A splendid example is found in the church of the XII Apostoli (Dodici Apostoli) where each year, from 30 Nov to 8 Dec, the Conventual Friars who administer the church conduct a famous Novena to the Immaculate Conception and the image dominates the sanctuary of the church.
A comparison of the two types of Immaculata will indicate that the Piazza di Spagna type shows Our Lady with her head facing heavenward, her right hand held aloft, while her left hand points earthward. The standard Immaculata faces downward in humility and crosses both hands over her breast. An example of this can be found in the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Rome, administered by the Capuchin Fathers (also known vulgarly in Rome as “the bone church”).
Yet another model of the Immaculate Conception is also known as Our Lady of Grace. An example of this kind of Immaculata is found on the Miraculous Medal (1830). A painting of this Immaculata is venerated in the Church of Sant’ Andrea delle frati, Rome. It was before this painting of the Immaculata before which the scoffer and skeptic Alphonse Ratisbonne was converted to Catholicism. It is a common feature of Catholic households and churches, far more so than the Pian Immaculata and that in the Piazza di Spagna.
@Praxiteles wrote:
I am posting a picture of the statue of Our Lady on the facade of St. Mary’s, Pope’s Quay, Cork.
Can anyone help in identifying the sculptor? I believe he was a Dublin sculptor.
Can’t tell you the name of the sculptor, but will comment on the model. This statue is a copy of the Immaculate Conception which stands atop a column at the Piazza di Spagna, Rome. It commemorates the definition and proclamation of the dogma of the Immaculate Conception by Blessed Pius IX in 1854. Each year on 8 December the Pope comes to pray before the statue and presents a wreath, which the chief fireman in Rome takes up to the statue and places on the right hand held aloft by Our Lady.
The statue and column so impressed Cardinal George Mundelein of Chicago, Illinois that he reportedly tried to persuade the Italian government to sell it to him, so that he might transport it to his seminary north of Chicago. Upon the rejection of his proposal by the Italian government, he commissioned a replica of the column and statue (to a slightly larger dimension) which dominates the lovely campus of The University of Our Lady of the Lake and Mundelein Seminary.
The statue likewise served as the model for the image of the Blessed Virgin atop the famous Golden Dome of The University of Notre Dame at South Bend, Indiana. Fr Edward Sorin, like Cardinal Mundelein, commissioned a replica of this statue of the Immaculate Conception to dominate the campus of The University of Notre Dame (du Lac). Instead of surmounting a column, Our Lady’s statue gleams from the top of the Golden Dome of the main building. Dome and statue were regilded just last year (the process of cleaning and regilding takes place every five years). It is to be regretted that the halo of lights was removed either during the last or penultimate cleaning/gilding. Glad to see the halo of lights on the statue in Dublin.
@tamhlacht wrote:
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Pretty shocking! It shouldn’t surprise me to learn that the Celtic Tiger would raze the Priory and related medieval buildings in a trice. Forces get mighty aggressive when launched against the Church.
Congratulations on getting organised and in establishing the website.
Your ultimate goal, as you succeed in winning the annoying skirmishes, is to draft legislation that protects air space around these buildings and also to force any new structures to conform to the medieval architecture. The monstrosities recently erected and in the process of being erected will come down before long since they are made on the cheap. But get in there with draconian legislation on all buildings in the environs of the medieval sites.
International attention focused on the proposed blights is also a good idea, though I fully understand your urgency regarding immediate movement on the ground locally.
I hope that capable Irish readers (and leaders) respond with alacrity to your plight. Keep up the valiant effort!!
@tamhlacht wrote:
I really wish so !
Given this building is less than one year old, and has already been taken down because it lacked insallation it seems unbelievable that professional planners could not insist on protecting this rare streetscape in the suburbs in Dublin.
Our pleas are falling on deaf ears so far… any ideas of how to raise awareness to get support to have something done with the facade of this building to try and retrocspectively have its facade aligned with where it sits and how it relates to its neighbouring buildings??
When is the next municipal election? Make city planning an issue – with plenty of photos to strengthen your case. The squeaky wheel always gets the grease – the local architects, planners, and bureaucrats WANT SILENCE. Don’t give it to them – that would be letting them off and giving in. Instead, make a regular royal ruckus AND MAKE THE POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE.
Write your municipal representative and ORGANISE yourselves. With the high number of people turning to this thread, my impression is that the Irish are fed up with UGLY architecture and want a return to pleasing aesthetic and common sense.
The inexcusable brutalist block inflicted on your community must go. Rally the troops and present yourselves to the town councillor in charge of this district – and don’t be fobbed off with a bland smile and a rubber handshake. MAKE THEM ACCOUNTABLE!
