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  • in reply to: developments in cork #759273
    Radioactiveman
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    @publicrealm wrote:

    Has any building heights study been commissioned for Cork – like has been done for Dublin?

    If not then it might be a useful proposal and could take the ‘members’ out of the mix?

    As far as i’m aware, locations along the “Straight” Road, The Docklands and the city approach through Blackpool have been identified as locations where highrise buildings are suitable- according to the latest Development Plan.
    But the question arises — what is a highrise building??
    CSD supporters would propose to ban all “highrises” over three storey. Now, I don’t know many people who would catagorise a four storey building as highrise!! Utterly ridiculous!!

    in reply to: developments in cork #759269
    Radioactiveman
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    Is it time that those of us who support balanced, well designed and necessary highrise developments in suitable locations around the city formed some sort of group in opposition to these ludicrous motions being proposed? They are being proposed and supported because the individuals involved believe there are votes and public support to be won by doing so. It must be time that those who oppose such motions made their feelings known in some way?

    in reply to: developments in cork #759261
    Radioactiveman
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    @malec wrote:

    I was going to say this is just another half-arsed design but I quite like it now. I was thinking something more striking would be better in that area but this does fit nicely with county hall. It’s a bit too boxy and boring but if it wasn’t tthen maybe it would have clashed too much. I also think it looks better with the reduced height. I’ve nothing against tall buildings (in fact I love them) but I’d hate to see county hall’s stand-alone look go.

    I don’t like the Crow’s Nest development. It’s far too boxy, it doesn’t really make enough of its location and, on this occasion at least, I’d much rather see what is already there refurbished and left as is. This new development will destroy the ‘standalone’ nature of County Hall when viewed from Western Road and Mardyke.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759253
    Radioactiveman
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    Speaking of Frinailla, after ironing out some financial issues with landowners, work has begun on the company’s Lady’s Well development in Blackpool. The majority of demolition work has been completed over the weekend and site testing/preperation work has begun. The company might find thinks though going, since the adjacent Garda Station was beset with huge problems in finding sufficient foundations on what was, surprise surprise, a water course!

    Elsewhere in the area, work is complete on the brand spanking new Cork Archives Institute building on Great William O’Brien Street on the rear of the old fire station. Work is currently ongoing to transfer the often fragile and important archive holdings from the former archives building on South Main Street to the new facility- with specialists from the UK having been brought in for the task. The new facility will open to the public on Tuesday 25th April 2006.

    The building sensitively deals with the site adjacent to Maddens Buildings (protected buildings). It remains to be seen what use CCC will put the old archives (Christ Church) to. Any ideas?

    More images later

    in reply to: developments in cork #759194
    Radioactiveman
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    @jungle wrote:

    Are those the two dilapidated buildings you see as you look over North Gate Bridge?

    No, they are two of the four dilapidated properties on the east of Shandon Street, about half way up- bounded by Old Friary Place and Dominic Street.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759189
    Radioactiveman
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    Cork City Council have refused Murrayforde Developments Ltd., permission to refurbish 37 and 38 Shandon Street and convert to 6 x i bed apartments with ground floor shop. In effect, the proposal was to remove party walls throughout the two buildings and to provide for one large retail outlet at ground floor.
    No open space of any kind was proposed for the apartments, which were all under the required floor area (45 sq m).


    As flagged by lexington a few days ago,
    Permission has been granted to John and Michael O’Dwyer for their apartment development at No. 20 Hanover Street. The proposal was brought down one storey to 5-storey after a further information request.
    The same developers also recieved permission for a five storey commercial/apartment development at 22 Hanover Quay.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759186
    Radioactiveman
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    @Devin wrote:

    This one could be improved again by removing the wires, like this:
    .

    Surely this wasn’t done because it would give a false representation of the development. It would be akin to omitting one storey in the development just so it looks nicer!

    in reply to: developments in cork #759179
    Radioactiveman
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    Work seems finally to be beginning at Frinailla’s Grand Parade Hotel site, with contractors John Paul on site in the last few days removing exsisting scaffoldng and preparing the site.
    Also, I have heard that the Huguenot Graveyard on Carey’s Lane is about to be redeveloped along the lines of a coffee shop/exhibition space along with a neighbouring building. According to a source, an application for planning permission is due to be lodged in the next few days.
    more detail later

    –update– Huguenot Graveyard development
    According to a report in today’s Examiner, John Murphy of Table 8 restaurant is about to apply for permission to widen the existing entrance on Carey’s Lane, install a new staircase, balcony and wheelchair lift in the graveyard and to make alterations to the existing rear extension to the adjoining building. This is the third application of its type made for this site in the past 15 years. The group “Friends of the Huguenot Cemetery” have indicated that they’ll strongly oppose the plans.

    Permission was sought in 2001, for a four storey retail apartment development on the site by Mr. Murphy.Permission of a similar type was granted by CCC in 1998, but this was refused by An Bord Pleanala.
    After an archaeological investigation in advance of the 2001 decision, both Duchas and the City Archaeolgist reccomended refusal on the basis that materials of archaeological interest would be at risk.
    The City Archaeologist noted:
    “The development site comprises the only surviving component of the former Huguenot burial ground. The proposed development is incompatible with the conservation of this unique and important monument. The graveyard is the only historic feature, albeit obscure and largely unrecognised, surviving from this period of our history. It is the only surviving element of a group of people who greatly contributed to the development of Cork City.”
    At the time, CCC noted that: “Alternatives for the use of the site can be discussed with the applicant in view of this approach.”
    There is no doubt, that the development now proposed would, on the face of it, be much less obtrusive on the archaeological fabric of the site and could allow much desired access to the site by the general public. Nevertheless, this application is sure to generate a large amount of objections.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759163
    Radioactiveman
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    Originally posted by jdivision

    dkebab wrote:
    Re: jervis st. I’m just say ing that the propaosal is like any other mediocre retail experience that has been designed in this country recently. I really think that one would have to be completely visually illiterate to argue that this design will have any positive impact on cork. It is such a pity that this is the drivel that we have to support. The design pays absolutely no heed whatsover to its context and the aa building looks like an ignorant pastiche in its mist. I can’t belive that people can argue for this proposal on the basis that this nprovides prime retail space in the city. Is that what we want in Cork? More high streBritish chain stores . This project looks onto the most important artscility in the city. An establishment. It faces Emmet place and the OPera House again landmarks of major importance in the city. THis design is blatanly ignorant to its context and again I liken it to the most horrifc development in Cork since the Celtic Tiger has clawed its ugly glazed fronted post modern neo classically intended rubbish into the fabric of the city]

    Dkebab, I’m delighted you have such strong opinions about how the City should develop and what is and isn’t good architecture- thats what this forum is all about!!!
    But, like I and others have asked before– what do you propose in its place?
    Should it be left as is?
    what sort of architectural features would make it respect its surrounding location better (in your opinion)?
    I’m not knocking your opinion! I’d just like you to offer an alternative.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759150
    Radioactiveman
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    @corkdood wrote:

    I don’t think St Patricks Street has ever held that title!

    In fact it has held that title for a number of years. See press release from Department of The Environment below:

    CORK CITY DOES IT AGAIN!
    Patrick Street, Cork is Ireland’s “City Neighbourhood, 2004

    Minister of State Batt O’Keefe presents the 2004
    City Neighbourhood Awards

    For the second year in a row Cork City has walked away with top honours in the City Neighbourhoods Competition. Last year it was South Mall]Patrick Street has been named the winner [/B]by Batt O’Keefe, T.D., Minister of State at the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government at an Awards ceremony held in Dublin Castle today (15 November). The Right Honourable The Lord Mayor of Cork, Cllr. Se

    in reply to: developments in cork #759141
    Radioactiveman
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    So what do we do with this 1 acre of land in the middle of Cork City? Leave it as it is?
    Failing that we could build a time machine…. zoom into the future…find out what will look cool in 30 years time and then build that!
    You can’t expect any development to be anything but “of its time”…. we cant predict the future!

    in reply to: developments in cork #759139
    Radioactiveman
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    @dkebab wrote:

    I think this design is one of the worst proposals I have seen for Cork. It seems that people will throw up any old re hashed Jervis St crap and expect the citezens of Cork to lap it up gratefully. I am disgusted at the level of design of the project. It is tedious, ill-considered and ad-hoc. It is not unlike the horrific building occupied by Vibes and Scribes fronting Paul St. Car Park. I am ashamed that the people of Cork have such little respect for the urban fabric of such a unique city that they wouyld allow such obscene development to continue.

    I’d have to 100 % disagree with you there dkebab!
    One thing this development could not be accused of being is rashly designed or ill-considered. The length of time it took to prepare this development and the extensive pre-submission negotiations with Cork City Council, along with the track records of those involved in the design speaks volumes for the proposal.
    The design was always going to have detractors given its high profile position and the scope of the project overall, but on the whole, it has managed to protect the notable buildings on site, while at the same time open them up for retail uses which are badly needed if the City Centre is to continue to thrive and for St. Patrick’s Street to retain its position as best shopping street in the country.
    To suggest that the design damages the urban fabric of the city is also a strange statement to make in that it practically introduces a new street (Faukner’s Lane) which will be pedestrianised to add to the already highly popular “lane” culture in the city (as evidenced by the popularity of French Church Street, Paul Street, Princes Street, Cook Street, etc). The development retains and enriches the city blocks which have remained pretty much static since they were originally laid out.
    With regards to the design, enough variety has been introduced in order to ensure it does not present a monolithic ediface onto the lanes and streets- something which certainly cannot be said for Merchants Quay. The Glass features onto Emmett Place ensure that the historic buildings in this area are not overshadowed, but at the same time, any faux historic elements are rightfully avoided.
    This development certainly has a few issues to be ironed out- all developments do! The St. Patrick’s street facade- while not offensive, could do with a bit of tweeking and the overall height will undoubtedly come down. This aside, it is certainly not “one of the worst proposals” ever seen for Cork.
    Can you elaborate as to what you see are this development’s shortcomings dkebab?

    in reply to: developments in cork #759130
    Radioactiveman
    Participant

    You can rest assured Jungle, tha AA building is being retained in all its teeny weeny glory!!

    in reply to: developments in cork #759126
    Radioactiveman
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    I do think that a number of parts of the Examiner Offices are worthy of being retained. They may look a bit shabby at the moment but should contribute greatly to this new development.

    I’d have to agree that the St.Patrick’s street facade is a bit pointless- why knock the Ryan’s Pharmacy/Sasha portion to replace it with something that seems to be struggling to mirror it? I can see this being retained in the final plans when permission is granted.

    Anybody know what effect this development will have on Bowling Green Street? Will it get a similar treatment to Faulkner’s Lane? It certainly deserves it. I know Dunnes Stores are working on plans for their side of Bowling Green Street- how do they stand at present??
    Will the two developments work together to rejuvinate this street? or will they both have their backs to it?

    in reply to: developments in cork #759113
    Radioactiveman
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    Well, its worth picking up a copy of today’s Examiner to see their excellent selection of images of the new Academy Street/St.Patrick’s Street development (does it have a name yet?).
    You can really understand the delays in submission with this one because it so obvious that a lot of thought and consideration has gone into it. The treatment of the protected structures along Acadent Street itself looks excellent and the developers have certainly kept to their word when they said that it would not have an overbearing effect of St. Patrick’s Street.
    The widening and pedestrianisation of Faulkner’s lane was a given and while the images look good, I’ll wait and see the details regarding street frontage (or should that be lane frontage) and access in this portion.
    The only thing I can fault the development on is what looks like an overly blocky and fussy roof element of the Johnsons and Perrott section of the site, visible from Emmett Place.

    Anyway, there just my first impressions! What does everyone else think?

    Has anyone see a photomontage of the St. Patrick’s Street facade?

    in reply to: developments in cork #759094
    Radioactiveman
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    The South Infirmary/Victoria Hospital have been given permission to demolish the existing two-storey showroom and warehouses at Infirmary Road and to erect a new cancer screening facility for ‘Breastcheck’, comprising four full storeys of accommodation and partial fifth storey containing plant, the extension of the public footpath from the eastern side of Infirmary Road along the southern side of Hibernian Road to form a paved pedestrian space with steps and ramp giving access to the main entrance to the building on Infirmary Road and vehicular drop-off on Hibernian Road, and the construction of a temporary garden bounded by walls and railings facing Infirmary Road.
    “Contemporary in design, the proposed finishes include brick, aluminum framed windows, metal louvre panels and metal balustrades.”


    Murray O Laoire Site Strategy Study of the future Breastcheck site (bottom left hand corner).

    in reply to: developments in cork #759070
    Radioactiveman
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    An appeal to An Board Pleanala has been lodged against the decision by CCC to allow Frinailla ltd. go ahead with its development at Denehy’s Cross. The development proposes a mix used of 163 no. residential units, along with retail/commercial use. The appeal has been lodged by Communities for Sustainable Development.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759066
    Radioactiveman
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    @PTB wrote:

    I hope they won’t remove the upturned cannon outside the peace park. It would be a crime if they did

    In the images and layouts i’ve seen (but alas have been unable to upload) the cannon is staying in place, at the corner of Grand Parade and Tuckey Street. There will be huge open plazas constructed at the gates of Bishop Lucey Park and around the National Monument at the south end of the street.
    The Berwick fountain will be the centrepiece of the street, having been removed and set back in place with considerable improvements to its current locale and lighting.



    With all this talk of the Grand Parade we are inclined to forget about its neighbour to the rear, South Main Street. This is the oldest street in Cork City and at the moment is in a terrible condition – particularly at its southern end.
    The area around South Gate Bridge (City Side) is an incredible eyesore – one which will of course be developed along with Grand Parade. But the public realm itself leaves a lot to be desired and the whole street could do with an overall- new footpaths, lighting etc. This should be designed to match North Main Street so as to create a distinctive look for this historic spine of the city.
    Incidently, work has started on Sth Main Street to replace the railings at Beamish and Crawford- directly in front of the Counting House.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759062
    Radioactiveman
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    @Micko wrote:

    Anyone have pictures of what the Grand Parade Plaza is going to look like ?

    Can’t find anything on the Cork Corp website.

    Hope this helps, I’m still working on the images 🙂

    The new Grand Parade’s key features will include: widened footpaths; vast paved open public spaces, especially around the National Monument; dozens of new benches; in-floor lighting; and the same type of street lamps which sparked controversy when they were installed on St Patrick’s Street.
    Talks are ongoing about installing a stepped boardwalk along the river at the southern end of the street.
    The War Memorial park at the southern end will also be enhanced.
    The low trees will be removed and new paved areas installed to make the area more attractive.
    The Berwick Fountain will be temporarily removed during construction, restored by expert stone conservators. It will be replaced in the same location and will be enhanced with feature lighting to become a focal point on the street.
    Traffic lanes will be reduced to three lanes, parking will be removed from the centre of the street, extra disabled parking spaces will be provided on Tuckey Street and up to 10 taxi spaces will be provided. Bus stops will remain.

    in reply to: developments in cork #759059
    Radioactiveman
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    Cast your eyes upwards in the next few weeks in Cork and you’re likely to see a small but not insignificant architectural event!
    As part of it’s overall restoration and refurbishment, the “pineapples” are about to be replaced atop the steeple of St. Anne’s Church, Shandon. Scaffolding has recently been erected around parts of the tower to facilitate the work. The decorative pieces were removed last year when they were found to be structurally unsafe during cleaning work on the upper portion of the steeple.
    The ornaments which are being installed are not the original limestone, but are concrete copies. It will be good to see them back, the old girl hasn’t looked the same without her jewels!


    Fig 1: Shandon Steeple intact.
    Fig 2: Shandon, as seen recently- minus the pineapples!
    Fig 3: Work underway today on the steeple.

    The Shandon area itself is ripe for renewal, with CCC now in possession of the Butter Market Museum/trade centre. This will make for a very nice tourism feature to capitalise on the area’s huge tourist potential.

    Shandon Church, St. Anne’s Shandon dates 1722 but its tower was not erected until 1750. It has two limestone faces and two faces dressed in red sandstone. There are three terraced square towers topping it off which are very finely and gracefully proportioned. The steeple houses the famous bells of Shandon and the tower itself is one of the city’s best-known landmarks. The tower is crowned with the gilt ball and a fish in the form of a salmon, thirteen feet in length. The church replaces an older church of St. Mary which was destroyed in the siege of 1690.

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