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ParticipantRalph Riegel reports in todays Irish Independent that:
PROPOSALS for a multi-million-euro hotel are to come before An Bord Pleanala after the developer confirmed he will challenge the refusal of a town council to sanction the project.The Γ’βΒ¬50m-plus hotel and luxury housing project, proposed by the Lawton family, for Fermoy in north Cork has been hailed by its supporters as “an economic godsend” for the town.
However, Fermoy Town Council rejected the project after a concerted campaign of local opposition to it.
Opponents claimed the scale of the project and the density of luxury homes involved in its residential element were too great for the proposed location adjacent to Fermoy’s riverside town park. Their main complaints centred on the height of the hotel complex, the inclusion of 73 luxury town houses beside the complex, the visual impact on the area and the possibility of traffic congestion.
The venture – by Lawton Developments – included a four-storey hotel with a 100-bedroom plus capacity coupled with 73 luxury town houses in an adjacent five acre site.
Now, the developers confirmed they are to appeal the rejection – warning that they were “very, very disappointed” by the council’s decision.
Fermoy Enterprise Board (FEB) Chairman, Cllr Michael Hanley, admitted he felt the project’s rejection was like “a body-blow for the town”.Ralph Riegel- Irish Independent
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Fleming Construction are maximising their investment – I would not expect them to do otherwise.
My argument is that their investment could be maximised without the need to resort to the hugely unimaginitive golf course idea.
Seeing as there is already one golf course on the island, the space for the 9-hole course (thanks for the correction phatman) could have been given over for public walkways, riding trails, open festival space, parklands, equestrian centre, etc. By the way phatman, I dont think i ever suggested that woodland was being destroyed for the purposes of a golf course. That being said, the majority of courses- most especially Fota island looks like the most sterile form of “natural environment” you can come across.I’d agree with Lexington, the “Lodges” (aka housing estate) looks pretty down market for the setting. An open admittance that its catering for the pseudo-rich as opposed to the actual rich perhaps π
Of course, I would have preferred had the whole estate had been secured for public use. That being said, we should be grateful that Fota Wildlife park, fota House and the Arboretum are public property and have the best public transport system on the island π Fleming can’t take that away from us πTo wrap this wrambling text up…. Fleming are free to maximise their investment within limits but they could have come up with something a little more imaginative than phatman and his golf course idea (sorry PH). Surely this would have added to the value of the houses, would prove more of an attraction to the hotel and cover Fleming’s costs very adequately.
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ParticipantI notice (with a little bit of sadness) that Fota Island is slowly but surely being eaten up by private development. The island should have been kept as a public amenity, incorporating Fota House and Gardens, Fota Arboretum, Fota Wildlife Park and open recreational spaces for the City and East Cork.
However, this is not the case and Fleming are on site building a 125 rooom luxury Hotel with Penthouse suites, a raft of ‘lodges’ (aka houses for the obscenely wealthy), an extensive marina and a second – yes, a second 18-hole Golf Course. Why an island that small requires a second course we’ll never know.
Couldn’t an alternative use been found for this space? Scenic walkways, picnic spots? isn’t one Golf course enough to fill the hotel?Below is an arial view of the proposed work on the island, which actually serves (I think) to minimise the deleterious effect it will have on this gem in the harbour. (Remember the Old Head anyone?)

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ParticipantI’ve heard that OCP will submit planning applications for their St. Patrick Street/Academy Street development by the end of this month.
Can anybody confirm this?Radioactiveman
ParticipantI’m dying to get an image of that outreach building lex. You able to lay your hands on some?
– having had a look at the report, I see that this project was reccomended for refusal of planning permission by the planner involved. Obviously this was over-ruled. Any details?
I’ve said it before, this sort of carry on does little to increase my faith in the planning process!Radioactiveman
Participant@d_d_dallas wrote:
In terms of old trees, can anyone enlighten as to the protections afforded, and conditions under which these can be removed (analagous to buildings in RPS).
This may not be of any help to you but,,,
The large trees on the opposite side of the river from Mercy Hospital and Lee Maltings (those on the banks of the river shielding the Old Bottling Plant from view) are protected. I believe they appear on the list of protected structures on the Cork CIty Council Website. As such, I believe they are given the same protection as man made structures.
These trees are rightly protected as they form an imposing structure of mature trees along the banks of the river. Bet than a dumb old building anyday πRadioactiveman
ParticipantAfter the recent architectural competion, those anybody know whether there are any REAL plans for Kyrls Quay?
Here’s a few images of some developments ongoing/recently completed or planned for UCC.The first is the new IT building planned fior the old Greyhound Track on Western Road:

It got planning in July 2002 and includes a riverside walk with a bridge link to the new Medical building at Brookfield House. The completed building will house Computer Science and Microelectronic engineering Depts. Designed by Scott Tallon Walker, the project is on hold due to funding shortfalls.Next is that medical campus at Brookfield:
Its built around an 1800’s residence which had been vacant for many years. The design team have created a new complex which accommodates the academic needs while conserving the original house. The house although not particularly attractive was identified through the campus Conservation Plan as a regionally significant building. Its significance arises from the uniqueness of the house which was built using techniques more commonly found in industrial building of the time. The previous occupants, the Jennings family had fear of flooding, fire and break in. The house is of very robust construction (steel doors, safes etc.), has large brick-lined tanks at attic level and had an area for a boat at roof level. (Source: UCC, Buildings and Estates).Designed by RKD McCarthy Lynch, its under construction and due for completion very shortly.
Finally for now, some views of the new Postgraduate research Library to be built adjacent to the existing Boole Library. Designed by SBRA and Wilson Associates, prelimanary work has begun with work to be completed by May 2007.

Some model images:


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Participant@altuistic wrote:
Musterd and a series of dastardly other colors did adorn this structure over the years. I have been looking at it every day for the last 23 years since i moved home from the states.
God help you π
I stand corrected though.@ctesiphon wrote:
Again, sorry everyone for Dublining up a Cork thread- but it arises from our jealousy of your felicitous sweeps. π
Work away, we’re very good like that in cork π
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ParticipantHere’s a picture of this building prior to recent renovation. I believe from late 2003.

I think lex may have exagerated the condition it was in previously:
“For years this building has been smothered in a series of unflattering and dogish paint coats. From Mustard Yellow to Tangerine.”Also, here’s some more images of the GPO on Oliver Plunkett Street.



And while i’m at it, an image of more bow-fronted buildings. This time on the Grand Parade end of Oliver Plunkett Street (No’s 76 and 77)..

Finally, a fabulous building further down the street. A remnant of an industrial past.

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ParticipantFrinailla Ltd. have withdrawn their applications to demolish buildings on Watercourse Road on the site of their Lady’s Well development. They still have two applications with ABP to demolish and construct a mixed use development including, apartments, retail, gym, health centre.
Apparently, they have recently informed local residents that they are to proceed with knocking the buildings prior to any decision being made by ABP. They are basing this work on safety grounds.Radioactiveman
ParticipantUnfortunately, it would seem that Cok City Council does not have the balls to prosecute anybody for the criminal act of demolishing an historic church associated with famous temperance campaigner Fr Mathew. The church located at Blackmore Lane (off Sullivans Quay) was approximately 200 years old.
The demolition took place for “safety reasons” after the applicant was told by CCC to incorporate the Church into his Section 50 Apartment Complex at the site.
An application is now lodged to demolish what remains of the church and rebuild with modern materials!!
Shame on CCC and shame on T & C Partnership.Radioactiveman
Participant@lexington wrote:
Cork does have a City Architect, Jack Healy.
See http://www.corkcity.ie/ourservices/architects/index.shtml for more details.
I stand corrected.
Graham, cad e sin?
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ParticipantRemaining in the same part of the city, Frank McDonald (Environment Editor of the Irish Times) wrote on friday that the Lapps Quay development below is “in my view one of the worst new buildings in Cork “.
At least, I presume that’s the development he refers to. It’s No.6 Lapps Quay designed by Coughlan DeKeyser for O’Flynn Construction.
I was in the area recently (as noted above) and I must say I like it. Like it a lot!

The journalist also brings up the important point that Cork has been without a City Architect since the legendary Neil Hegarty retired two years ago. A city developing at this rate without a city Architect- surely a mistake!
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Participant@phil wrote:
This is becoming a common issue with ‘public spaces’. If deals (such as the one described by Lexington) are struck between public and private bodies, the publicness of the space can become diluted. The image of the space becomes an issue for the hotel (or another private body), and they therefore start to control it is a manner that is more private than public. I agree with you that it is difficult to trust private developers not to subsume the public realm into their control, and therefore make it more private.
Indeed, take for example if we wished to stage some sort of rally ( i dunno, how about “YES TO HIGHRISES!!” π ). So, we’ve got a 100 or so demonstrators having a peaceful rally with placards and stuff. If this is a public space then we’d be free to congregate there. However I cant see Clarion being happy with that- whatever the cause. Same with skateboarders, engineers and other so-called “undesirables” π
What I saw at the weekend was a private company exerting control over a public space and it wasnt pretty.Anyone fancy a rally??? π
@Lexington wrote:
I don’t think you can make assumptions about a particular incident without knowing the ins and outs. Are you sure the person in question had not been causing trouble prior to his removal?
In fairness to the guy, I watched him arrive and he was quiet and peaceful throughout. Listening to the conversation the managers had with him, it was clear they did not know him and had not seen him do anything wrong except look out of place with their glossy new hotel and try to have a snooze. What else are those benches for??? Im sure if i had had a nap there I would not be bothered.
As for the developers assuming some sort of duty of care over the area: boohooo. Every business owner needs to protect their own premises. That is a totally different matter to controlling public open spaces.
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Participant@bunch wrote:
i think the space outside the clarion at lapp’s quay is public – also the port may still have some legally established rights of way at the quay walls.
i too have heard rumours about one of mp’s tenants – i doubt they are true as it would be suprising if a pull-out would be considered after a few months – their investment would surely merit a year’s trading before they would even assess their perfomance – however – perhaps they are unhappy because they have not succeeded in emptying the city centre, which, despite some short-term vacancies on pana, is busier than ever – the store u are talking about should take a long look at their store and their products – which are very poor – despite all of the marketing of the store – i wonder are we talking about the same tenant – english based non-food?
Yes, English based, non-food. Nice enough stuff but hideously over-priced, even for this country!
As you say, probably just rumour, but there’s no smoke without fire.I can honestly say (as a city dweller) I have visited Mahon Pont once and felt absolutely no compulsion to return. There’s nothing to draw me down there, simple as that.

With regard to Lapp’s Quay, I happened to be passing through the spot one afternoon during the weekend. Its a nice enough spot, will be even nicer when the opposite bank of the river is spruced up a little.
I happened to witness a very unpleasent incident where two managers (both women) tried to evict a guy from this public (???) area. Now, the day itself was warm so he had his shirt off and I’d say the guy wasnt as sober as he could be, but he wasnt bothering anyone.
So he was realaxing near the waters edge when he was basically told to F*** off by what I can only assume were managers from the Clarion Hotel. He was treatened with the Gardai on a number of occasions.
To cut a long story short, I didnt see how the incident ended but was pretty appalled that the Clarion Hotel can now seemingly screen people using this public (??) space and throw them out if they dont meet their exacting standards.
Perhaps we should take note before we go ahead and hand over more of our quaysides to private developers. Can they be trusted to maintain free and open access for ALL of the public?Radioactiveman
ParticipantHere’s a question for any legal eagles amongst us:
The space outside the new clarion hotel- is this public or private space? Considering this used to be a roadway, is it still public even though kiosks and fancy paving has been laid? Also, the new boardwalk: public or private?
I’ll let you know why I want to know this in my next post.
This next bit of news I’ve taken with a pinch of salt since first hearing it, but i’ve heard it so many times that I thought I’d see has anyone else heard the rumour.
My sources suggest that a leading tenant at Mahon Point is extremely unhappy with performance and is planning to leave the centre. Obviously I won’t name names, but we’re talking high profile tenant here. Any truth at all to this rumour?
As we’re on the subject, I dont think I’ve seen as many empty shops on St. Patrick Street in a good many years:
CIE office, O2 shop, Pound City, adjacent travel shop, adjacent camera shop, etc. all empty and looking particularly shabby. This does not look good and I’ve heard nothing of new tenants being found.
I must try to get a recent pic of the new red brick development opposite the Opera House. Some genius has decided to erect an unsightly CCTV camera system on the corner of the building on the large column there. All we need now is a few satallite dishes, a few bicycles and some washing lines on the balconies and we’ll be all set π‘Radioactiveman
Participant@d_d_dallas wrote:
What does it look like when viewed from Patrick St at Academy St junction? The OCP development has had a large impact on the view down that street.
Good point.
Ok, here’s my plan- one huge air conditioning unit over Cork City Centre (tastefully designed of course) for horrible sticky days like today. We could have some apartments on top, like. π
Look at all these lovely people:

they’re tellig us that the Mardyke pedestrian bridge was officially opened today.Radioactiveman
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It’s definately an improvement on the original and just goes to show how good its neighbour is.
Unlike its neighbour, this development seems to lurk over the shoulder of the retained quay buildings, whereas the OCP building incorporated the old building into the design. The many layers of the OCP building help to break up the bulk, something which this Howard Holdings development cannot be accused of doing π
It’ll have to be a no from me. Lets not waste the progress that has been made in this area.Radioactiveman
ParticipantIn an article in today’s examiner by Ray Ryan, George Jeffery chairman of the Munster Agricultural Society (MAS) points out that an announcement is due soon on the future development of its Showgrounds at Ballintemple.
The aim apparently being to make Cork Showgrounds a “premier facility for Cork” and a “Resource Centre”.
The announcement itself was pretty vague but given the size of the site and its position in the Docklands, I’d be expecting something big quite soon.Radioactiveman
ParticipantI believe that the new Mardyke Bridge is to be officially opened this Thursday by the Lord Mayor.
In connection with this, UCC currently have an application in planning for the construction of a a two storey 1675 sq.m. University Outreach and Access Building to include lecture rooms, research areas together with exhibition and cafe area which is linked to Cork City Councils bridge / walkway (Banks of The Lee) and includes the provision of two tennis courts with associated lighting.
A submission regarding this development has already been submitted by Cork County Cricket Club.
Anybody have any images of the above mentioned building?The bridge will link the Mardyke to UCC/Mercy Hospital owned Distillery Fields (off the North Mall) – one of the locations for Corcadorca’s promenade production of The Merchant of Venice which opened last night. I note that RTE news had a story about a Shakespeare production opening in Dublin last night, yet not a mention of The Merchant of Venice or indeed Victor Frankenstein last week. RTE are to be congratulated for not breaking with tradition and treating Cork like a cultural wasteland. Also, all mention of RTE’s sponsorship of CORK2005 have been removed from RTE’s Website. π‘
:confused: Dissapointed with St. Patrick’s Quay news.
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