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Centre park road looks very nice. Sleek, modern, etc.
Crows nest….well….doesn’t!
Forget about its effect on a listed building (which makes it a big no, no) it looks a bit like a spanish block of holiday apartments to me. It would also have made more sense to group tall (but not as tall as presently proposed) buildings leading up to County Hall from either side. Would put the emphasis on County Hall.Using LEXINGTON’S IMAGE, I’ve highlighted just how much of an obstruction it will be to County Hall. I suppose we could argue whether or not County Hall should be oscured. I for one think it shouldn’t.
County Hall (what’s left of it) is highlighted in red.
You’re right redabbey. I mentioned this building way back. There was a cork2005 event held there and i managed to get a good look round. Its empty inside and has huge rooms just crying out to be converted into art gallery, restaurant, etc.
Top floor has some really interesting remnants of Corks old tram system too.
The building is owned by ESB.@Leesider wrote:
What annoys me about Cork airport at the moment is that the big 2, Ryanair and Aerlingus don’t appear to have much interest in it except for jumping on other routes that have been proven successful by other airlines (Aer Arann, Jet Magic). They don’t seem to realise the potential that Cork has for other mainland European routes.
You’ve hit the nail on the hear there Leeside. Aer lingus and Ryanair are only interested in Cork Airport to keep other budget airlines from taking off there (excuse the pun). They come in, destroy the market in a few years and then drop back again once the competition is fought off.
Note also O’Leary from Ryanair has said that the proposed 2nd terminal at Dublin airport is overprised and that they could build one cheaper. That may be so, but ryanair, on the main, fly into sheds in the middle of nowhere. Do we want a decent terminal or a budget one?
Does anybody know whats going on at the Museum in Fitzgerald Park. The new extension is open and working well. The place is even open on Saturdays now (can’t believe it took them that long to figure it out!).
My question is, what is happening to the old museum? Is it to be refurbished for more museum space?A PRIVATE consortium has offered to build a €250m power plant outside Cork city – which, at 400 megawatts, will boast output over 300pc greater than the existing ESB facility in the city.
The project – proposed by Mountlawn Ltd for an industrial site at Little Island – aims to cater for the booming electricity demands in the Cork and south Munster region.
It is also underpinned by the soaring power demand from industries in the Little Island, Cork city, Ringaskiddy and Midleton areas.
Two years ago, the ESB installed two portable generation units at their Cork-Aghada power station to boost output in the region.
However, the private plant must first secure the endorsement of the Commission for Energy Regulation before it can proceed to the planning stage.
A decision on the proposed Little Island plant is unlikely before 2006.Irish Independent
Here’s another view of the Victoria Cross development from Frinailla Ltd. Looks good.
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With regard to the event centre, I know there are still two possibles in the running- Horgans Quay and Showgrounds. I’m not up to date on either so, how far each has progressed (if at all) i don’t know.
@lexington wrote:
I disagree, the long term costs to homes and businesses that are most often subject to flooding, over a long-term period justify such an investment – and that’s how the barrier should be viewed, an investment.
Apologies if I seemed to be dismissing this project out of hand. A barrier such as this will, I have no doubt, be completley necessary within this century. Cork should get a project like this and I would be very much behind it. What I was getting at, is that it may be dismissed since there is no way central government will provide funding such a scheme since it will not produce votes in the short term. Politicians and the people who hold the purse strings will be the main ‘barrier’ to this scheme.
A few points regarding Corkdood’s and Lexington’s posts:
I’d agree with Corkdood’s initial statement that the city would benefit hugely from a realignment towards the river. Boardwalks developed similar in style to City Quarter where no on street quay wall exists and where they do, rejuvenated paving and lighting could make the most of these magnificant limestone structures.
I know CCC are in the very early stages of coming up with a plan to clean/repair and survey the remaining walls but naturally this would be above the tide mark. A ‘thames barrier’ type project for the river, while ideal, is hardly realistic in the medium term due to the enormous costs involved.
Just to clarify something, The Lee swim DID take place this year, in August. The race started at St. Vincents bridge on North Mall and finished at the Clarion Hotel, a total distance of 2,000 metres. Jack Higgins, former Cork City Manager had always promised to swim in the river once the main drainage scheme was completed and true to his word, he did so prior to the race getting underway. See here for images.
What amazes me is that with all the CCC representatives in aand around St. VIncents Bridge that day, not one took it upon themselves to organise the removal of the ugly plastic sign which hangs from the county side of the bridge – a leftover from the construction work on Shandon Bridge- maybe an indication of the heed CCC pays to the river?
Undoubtedly, the river should be opened up for the enjoyment of both citizens and tourists alike. Dublin Docklands Development Authority has the right idea with its recently launched ‘Spirit of Docklands’. The 52-seat low profile boat was specially made to travel under Dublin’s bridges. Landing stations for the boat will be at the IFSC and off the boardwalk at the Ha’penny Bridge and O’Connell Bridge. The tour service will operate daily with journey times expected to take up to 50 minutes.
I’ve spoken brefore of the need for a proper CORK DOCKLANDS AUTHORITY to be created to oversee and encorouge development in Cork Docklands and maybe such a body could also take control of the river itself to ensure it is used to its full potential.
We can only hope!!Does anybody know the exact nature of the appeal to ABP re. the hotel on Parnell Place?
I didn’t personally love the thing, but i can see no reason to appeal to, especially given the fragile nature of the facades onto Parnell Place 🙁On the whole Ryanair thing, we shouldnt really be that thankful to them. In my view they’re moving into Cork in order to p*ss off Aer Arann. And they’ve also announced plans to fly to two more London airports!! Woopdedoo, the world and his mother is flying to London. If they were that interested in making Cork a Real hub they would have introduced new destinations in Europe, not ones which are already being served.
Anybody know when the ABP decision on AIB Blackpool is due?
@lexington wrote:
Planning does exist, Alan O’Herlihy sought permission on a change of use last May (2005).
Good man Lexington.
I see subway (yum!!) have moved into the basement of the building at the corner of St. Patricks Hill and MacCurtain Street. Presumably a listed building and I’m unsure whether they have planning for a change of permission from the existing public house. Let me know if I’m wrong though!!
@phatman wrote:Also, the developers behind the proposed apartments at Victoria Cross, ie. on the former car showroom site, towards Orchard Road, seem confident of securing the go-ahead, they’ve already erected a sign advertising a ‘proposed apartment development’, a tactic that seems to be employed more and more recently by developers, amounts to little more than propaganda in my opinion. However, i quite like this scheme, should lend a bit more architectural merit to the area in light of some of the more recent additions.
I believe that’s Frinailla again…they do seem to be taking a very agressive attitude to their developments lately. This is the second time they’ve erected advertising signs before planning decisions have been made and their unauthorised demolition on Watercourse Road is continuing seemingly unmolested by those charged with upholding the Planning Laws. A complete block of buildings ajacent to Watercourse Road Garda Station was demolished this morning at approximately 6am.
In my view all of these actions show at best, a severe lack of respect for the law of the land and a worst, a deliberate campaign to undermine planning laws.@Thomond Park wrote:
Well, I know what I’m doing for the weekend 🙂
I see what you’re saying Ewan, but
(a) As far as I’m aware, the appeal was related to both the demolision and construction of the proposed building.
(b) The building already demolished could not have been unsafe due to it being in constant public use up until a few weeks ago.
(c) The developers are very unlikely to have had Council consent since a warning letter was sent to Frinailla by the Council when these early demolitions were first rumoured.The ABP decision is due on the 13th October.
Frinailla Ltd. have started to demolish parts of their site at Watercourse Road without planning permission and before ABP have ruled on the appeal which local residents brought against the decision to grant permission by CCC.
I’m astonished that Frinailla couldn’t wait 1 month for a decision (which may well be in their favour) before proceeding. This move will no doubt cause uproar amongst local residents who made submissions and appealled all 8 (at last count 🙂 ) planning applications which have been made by the developers. There is also a high profile campaign being carrried out by former workers in the Meat factory portion of the site who are looking for redundancy payments from their former employer.
Despite the obvious need for re-development in this area, I do not like this type of underhand approach which Frinailla seem to be employing. I doubt whether the decision to begin demolition on a soaking wet Friday was made at random. I’d be confident that little or nothing would be left by Monday morning. Frinailla have really let themselves down with this one!
An Bord Pleanala has granted permission for Cork City Council to take control of 67/68 Shandon Street (see brown buildings on left in above picture) in order to prevent it remaining as a derelict site.
The site has been an eyesore in the area for some time amidst a dispute between owner and occupier as to whether or not it should be redeveloped. It seems that CCC will now put an end to this dispute.@lexington wrote:
I think people have a misconcpetion of this project to some extent. Essentially, the only 2 new retail elements that OCP are providing are Academy Street, which we’ve all known about for sometime, and the lower floors of Lavitts Quay – which itself forms part of a larger development anyway. OCP’s purchase of the Lavitts Quay/Half Moon Street site thus far is positive in that it now includes the vital R. Arthur premises which for so long hindered previous developments and design wholeness. With it’s inclusion, it should bring a greater sense of completion to the quayside in a wider context. The other elements included in the ‘link’ retail plan are Paul St. S.C. (to be refurbished) which exists anyway, and will offer a grocery element in Tesco – and Cornmarket Street, which is being developed by Rockfell Investments seperately. The linkage between Cornmarket Street, Paul St. and Lavitts Quay can be provided by simple walkways over the dividing laneways (Paul’s Lane and the side-street leading up toward Devonshire Avenue West) – their impacts are minimal, if at all, given the nature of these laneways. In fact, the links, if designed well could add a bit of life and character to these otherwise overlooked routes.
Lex, I take you point about these being seperate developments but you can’t deny that what is being assembled here is a large shopping network – now thats not neccesarily a bad thing given the disused state of a lot of the premises. On the othere hand, I think all sides will recognise the commercial advantages of linking these developments together (again not necessarily a bad thing). We already know that Cornmarket will link with Paul Street SC via St. Pauls and talk of a link to Academy would presumably be via a pedestrian walkway (aka foothpath). I think we’ll definatley see moves to link the Lavitts Quay development to Paul Street.
Also, you’ve got to take into account OCP’s existing retail at North Main Street and the rumoured large scale retail development at the Loft site.
You’ve got to wonder whether it will be possibly to rent retail space in this city from anyone other than owen o’callaghan 🙂
See map below for general layout of retail plans int he area:Purple:
C= Cornmarket St. Development
A= Academy Street Site
L- Lavitts Quay Site
P= Paul St. SCBlue:
N= North Main St. SC
X= Loft Site
My 200th post! Woohoo!!!
Does anybody else think that OCP’s retail plans for Cornmarket Street, Paul Street, Half moon street and Lavitts Quay, Academy Street, Patrick Street and Emmet Place are spreading out of control?
What about existing boundaries, laneways and city blocks? OCP seem to be buying up anything at all that they can tenuously link to Paul Street.
Just a thought, don’t bite my head off :rolleyes:
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