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@Pug wrote:
go on democracy, looking forward to see which councillors are appointed that we didnt get a chance to vote for .
Digressing from property slightly to prove my point
PJ Sheehans son wants to be appointed as a councillor
Michael McGraths brother Seamus apparently wants to be one and
one of Christy O Sullivans relatives is tippednever heard of any of them, i think its an appaling rule that they can just get parachuted in
@jungle wrote:
Maybe a multi-storey next to the rail line, but even that far out, ground-level parking would be a scandalous use of the site.
Now remind me, do we need a site for a conference centre that is located close to the rail line, has easy access to the city’s ring road network and is within walking distance (just about:rolleyes: ) of the city centre…
ah! indeed, well spotted. Would be good then to put a pedestrian bridge from there over to the other side of the river leading to the large 5 star hotel adjacent to the brand new 35,000 seater multi sports discipline / concert venue formerly known as Pairc Ui Chaoimh (now known as Roy Keane Stadium).
As per the Examiner, more movement on the Docklands, Port of Cork expect to lodge an application to redevelop Ringaskiddy very soon and move their entire Tivoli operation down there. I imagine local residents will observe closely. This will free up 35 acres at Tivoli.
This is to add to the plans by IAWS to lodge an application for the riverfront at the R&H Hall site in/around August and Howard Holdings expect to lodge an application for a site adjacent to Pairc Ui Chaoimh over the summer as well.
The burst of applications would lead one to believe that these developers/parties have seen the final South docks Masterplan. This was due to be shown to councillors for approval but it was delayed until the election was over and probably will be further delayed until the new councillors to replace the TD’s are appointed – (go on democracy, looking forward to see which councillors are appointed that we didnt get a chance to vote for) so it shouldnt take that long. I might be cynical but I expect when its published, the general public will be the final group of people to lay eyes on it.
@kite wrote:
:rolleyes: Just Joe Gavin going off on a solo run AGAIN, Councillors have told him that we do not want access to the city restricted. Will he listen?
to be fair i dont think he wants it restricted, isnt the plan that the bridge be moveable / raisable to allow access to the harbour
@Spinal Tap wrote:
Lack of public transport options.
Lack of parking.
Largly residential area.
Lack of Hotel/restaurant/bar facilities.
Roads infrastructure.
Lack of public transport – never stopped a development yet.
Lack of parking – can be built into the 30 acres somewhere
Hotel/retaurant/bar can be built in it
roads infrastructure – shuttle bus to south link road which then gives access to tunnel, airport, the east, the west.
I only threw the suggestion out there, the bottleneck in the road by Pairc Ui Rinn would prob cause grief alright.
Northgate Vehicle Hire (UK) were granted cinditional permission by CCC for
a) demolition of existing structure and
b) a 3 yr temporary planning permission for construction of storage building and renovation of existing offices at the former Maxol storage facility, Centre Park Road, Cork City, with change of use from storage to van hire depot.Anyone any thoughts as to why this would be granted? I’m not against it, just curious as to why a temporary planning permission would be given for the construction of a building.
And also why it would be granted if the CCC want to get started on the redevelopment of the area with landmark buildings etc. Maybe the building is only small, I dont know.
examiner today says although FF say the row over the airport debt was being thought about “at the highest level” the South Western Regional Authority airport committee were told yesterday that its unlikely the issue would be resolved before the election.
@THE_Chris wrote:
In an ideal world they would. But it always seems that the CAA are sitting on their hands all the time. They dont take the initiative with anything. Its like they’re in their own little world all the time.
isnt J Gantly the new president of the chamber of commerce? presumably he has the perfect forum to sort out the airport now. TD Noel O Flynn seems very confident it will all be sorted before the election. He must know something that Bertie, M Cullen, M Martin and Ned O Keefe dont.
@DubinCork wrote:
The government has messed up transport on a grand scale with the DAA leading the charge for stupidity with Martin Cullen a daily farce.
Cork city has a quality of life that most Dubliners could only dream of and yes they do take it for granted down here.
1. I completely agree with the first part so the only way to get rid of Martin is by giving a gesture to Fianna Fail i.e.dont vote for them.
2. We dont take it for granted at all. I personally think its a basic right and you cannot compare what Cork should be to Dublins miserably failed transport. The amount of money wasted is only phenomenal. Let the politicians make the policy so they feel they are doing something, then send in a private company on a fixed price contract with bonus scheme to finish early, penalties if they finish late and see what happens. Cork is an excellent sized city that could have transport sorted out very easily. If we “whinge” its because the only way it seems to get a redult is to complain loudly enough.
Cork has been failed on
1. Airport Debt promise – fail, a project cost over run by none other than the DAA themselves, while on the same day SIX HUNDRED MILLION was to buy out a toll bridge on a acontract signed by Pee Flynn and George Redmond, those bastions of good planning
2. Kent Station redevelopment – fail/farce with no bus/rail integration
3. Kinsale roundabout 9 years late and not on time and under budget as the politicos seem to think
4. Bandon flyover funding pulled – fail
5. Sarsfield flyover funding pulled – fail
6. Fermoy bypass – white elephant
7. Docklands – fail
8. Nightlink – non existent
9. Midleton railway – signed months late, reannounced several times and now will be ANOTHER year lateAnd you wonder why we give out?
@THE_Chris wrote:
Cullen has just signed the Midleton Railway Order.
4 weeks before it becomes enforcable, time to allow for a highcourt challenge.
Construction should be fairly soon afterwards as IE are ready, apparently.
Just signed it when Seamus Brennan said it would be finished this year. What a fool of a man. Not only should Midleton get up in arms with petitions etc, they should badger every single FF member looking for a vote about this and the airport debt.
Wont be ready now until 2009 AT LEAST.
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thats all well and good but still should have been done a long time ago, sitting and waiting for developers to merrily engage with the City Council and give away some of the value for their site isnt going to happen. At all. If concerts up to 6,000 can be held here all well and good but that should not preclude from Pairc Ui Chaoimh becoming a mulit discipline sports stadium with the capacaity for concerts greater than 6,000.
Tenner says Cork COn becomes some sort of conference/event place….
@nimbus 2008 wrote:
MPH appealed on March 22nd. They think the Council was totally unfair to them and also did not understand its own Development Plan and LAP. :rolleyes: Revision looms. Open for observations to the Board for two more weeks.
Be strong ABP, be strong – if MPH cant see the fundamental need for Martin Cullens promise to redevelop Kent station fully while building up the rest of Horgans Quay then they dont deserve planning. Doesnt the time required at ABP mean at the very least that its delayed until July? Joke.
Shame about Amgen, the Midleton railway might be open by 2012 though. Maybe. M Cullen answered a question to TD David Stanton yesterday stating that he had decided to sign the Raiway Order for Midleton but wouldnt confirm when. So no change whatsoever.
THE_Chris wrote:Oh dont get me wrong, Im not forgiving them for not doing the SRR flyovers ]And I take your point completely that safety is paramount, especially after the incidents in Kildare last week.
Well bigger fool the people who vote for them then if their signing of a Railway Order that will be a year late and funding for flyovers that should have been built years ago will sway their thinking
@THE_Chris wrote:
Most things are on hold until the interurbans are done. I kinda agree with this, simply because noone gets killed waiting in a jam at Bandon Road. .
Theres a terrible low benchmark set in Ireland when it comes to these road projects, I utterly disagree with saying things like its ok that the roads should be delayed until the interurbans are done. If thats the case then the interurbans should have been started and completed by now.
I dont believe a word of it when politicians announce projects as coming in ahead of schedule and under budget Where was the detailed schedule published? where was the detailed budget for taxpayers money? what happens to the money thats saved when its under budget?
Martin Cullen is sitting on the Railway order because FF have NOTHING else to promise Cork except a delayed Midleton railway that they have announced over and over. They are under pressure now with the airport fiasco
in one of the papers today, there was a briefing I think for local councillors on Transport 21 and when pressed, government officials said the sarsfield, bandon road and N28 funding wouldnt come until 2010 and add at least a year to build so some time in 2011 to get new roads
and they want us to vote for them,,,,,,,
@PVC King wrote:
Bring back the very capable Simon Coveney he is someone who would be very welcome at cabinet level.
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didnt he do the dog a bit though and take both a TD and MEP salary when he said he would pick one?
@jungle wrote:
There could be an interesting situation developing in Cork Docklands as a result of Doyle Groups possible takeover of Irish Continental.
To fund the bid, Doyle Group would have to either sell their land holdings in Cork Port or use it as collateral for a loan. In the first scenario, this could see substantial development land (valued at 250million) getting released in the port area.
kite and jungle, thats brill info. Maybe you could email the City Council to let them know!!
@kite wrote:
The sooner this idiot is elected to the Dail where he will be less of a danger to Cork’s residents the better.
plese dont vote for him simply to get him out of cork
your points have already proved he will stand for any side (AGAINST urban sprawl but also AGAINST high rise – maybe he means us to become “the Boat People of the Lee” where we will all reside in floating barges up and down union quay) so theres no point in voting for him if you dont wish to
the man himself came to my door the other evening, said his name, asked me how are things going and said he’d be grateful if I would consider him for a vote. Forgot to tell me he was a councillor and what he stood for, didnt mention Fine Gael and why I should vote for him.
I’m not going to anyway so it dont matter
