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Just to deviate the thread slightly
Any thoughts on Kinsale roundabout? certainly struggling at the moment but to be fair lanes are closed and resurfacing is taking place. I havent driven it yet so am only going on hearsay but the freshly re laned roundabout I am told is worse than the last one.But I am willing to wait and see. I still wont take it in the morning to go in to the city until they finish it fully!
Radioactiveman wrote:Anybody remember that supermarket on North Main Street where Mahers/Cummins is now? Started with a B I think. Anybody?[/QUOTE}
I could be showing my age but it wasnt Bennetts was it?in the examiner today, 20,000 sq ft warehouse fronting Albert Quay adjacent to the IAWS silos, up for sale by auction on Oct 11 with guide price €4.5m.
@seonaf wrote:
Has anyone seen drawings showing new roads in the Douglas area that would improve access to the shopping centres (Douglas Village and Douglas Court)? I have a drawing (issued by a large Transport Consultancy firm) that shows new road proposals for the area. However, the Council are denying knowledge of these but I think the Consultancy firm were commissioned by the Council (perhaps for a Traffic Study a few years ago). If anyone has any info I would be grateful.
S:confused:ANy more sign of these drawings?
Theres no one looking after douglas. When taxis can pull up outside barrys pub and form an unofficial taxi rank thereby blocking off an entire lane then you know you’re in trouble.
@anto wrote:
stop building all these houses in Ballincollig & CarrAIGALINE that will cut down on all these commuters using the roads!
absolutely. And at the same time you have groups like those committed to stop any building over three storeys trying to get motions passes in the local authority for exactly that. Thats the scary part.
I will reserve judgement on the Kinsale roundabout, there is still one lane to the city that is unavailable so my journey time wasnt reduced at all. Good thing is that its all been resurfaced so the hugely dangerous and incorrect lanes have disappeared!!. Only thing now is there are no lanes at all.Hilarious.
The test will come when the schools are back. I tried it this morning given that in someones infinite wisdom, the Jack Lynch tunnel is one lane, Grand Parade is closed off and one of the main roads from Douglas is blocked off all at the same time.
The light rail will cost a fortune so apart from the nippier smaller buses there is no option other than roads. And thats a shame.
@a boyle wrote:
A complete turn to other means of transport needs to take place.
There needs to be a complete change in emphasis. We need to be trying to reduce the number of cars on the roads by some margin , not building more things in order to simply thread water.
change will only come from progressive political will and as i mentioned before, when a local td congratulates a flyover for being 10 years late – we are doomed. Railways are joke, light rail in Cork between all the major suburbs wont happen within 10 years so I argue that more frequent smaller buses on QBC’s, with an integrated bus/rail ticket system, to designated transport hubs at the edge of the city is the only option left. For cycling etc, companies would have to buy into it to put in showers etc and car pooling would be hugely beneficial and very do-able with a bit of push from the govt and a tax credit or something for the company but with someone like Dick Roche at the helm (he who wouldnt have an incinerator in his constituency but doesnt mind one in ours), not a hope.
Scary stats from the City itself re roads and transport in general.
1) It is considered that a target of 5% of all trips to
work, school and college by cycling is achievable
by 2010. Cork Cycle Strategy, City Plan 2004.2) From the draft Bishopstown/Wilton Area Action Plan
There is a growing dependence on the usage of the private car in the Plan area. The
Cork Area Strategic Plan (CASP) predicts that without intervention traffic will double in the city within 20 years, peak hour travel speeds to be 8kph (currently 19kph for me) , and travel to work times will increase by 5 times (for me that will mean a 7 mile journey to be just over 3 hours). . Annual growth in traffic volumes are already above that predicted in 2002 by CASPResults from the 2002 Census showed continued decline in travel by green modes of
transport. Almost half of people in the south-west area travel to work and school /
college by car, resulting in increased problems of congestion, rat-running, parking.
More students and schoolchildren are now being transported by private car than ever
before while there have also been significant increases in car ownership levels.While in city-wide terms the area is relatively well served by public transport at present only 8% of the people in the plan area use public transport to get to work, school or college.
@jungle wrote:
Because Aer Arann aircraft are able to fit on these stands, they are likely to be put there so that they don’t occupy a stand that could be needed by a larger aircraft.
absolutely fair point and i take it “on board” if you pardon the pun. Why then wasnt a travelator within a corridor, i.e. not out in the wind and or some sort of shuttle bus type vehicle built in to the budget to cater for this? This sort of stuff is what makes me wonder who plans these things.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Roches Stores exits retail business
(RTE NEWS)will debenhams now move out of mahon point? hardly sustainable to have city and suburb is it? unless they lease the majority of town out to other brands maybe – but they sort of do that already.
smashing points in the last few pages folks, keep it going. I’ve travelled a bit so Irelands transport is a bit of a pet hate of mine. All govt officials in dept of transport should be sent to germany for a week.
1. Irish rail is a joke – pandering to unions, poor customer service, slow trains (its almost as quick to drive from Cork to Dublin, how sad is that), no direct rail links to other towns like waterford, wexford,galway. Martin Cullen should just resign in shame for that alone.
2. I agree that the rubbish other forms of transport make over reliance on the roads, which are only now beiong made into what they should be. I know we only have the money in the country over last few years but its ridiculous.
3. Cork needs a fleet of the smaller IMP-like buses at more frequent times that run until at LEAST 2.30 am. Last bus at 11.30pm is beyond all stupidity.My overall point is that Irelands politicos have no will to improve this. Even though the local powerless councillors tuck away a nice €86k a year to do sweet FA. Its very frustrating. The kinsale flyover was finished allegedly a few months ahead and the response from 2 local politicians, one a councillor and 1 a european MP for gods sake is to congratulate the builders. the flyover is 10 YEARS LATE. Thats the low benchmarking right there. And now the NRA pulled the funding for the sarsfield and bandon roundabout so where will the traffic move from?? Yep, the badly laned kinsale roundabout. Idiotic isnt the word.
small point but i flew in to the new terminal last week. I’m told its aer aranns fault ( i hold my hand up there if I am wrong) in that they wont pay for the more expensive parking in front of the new terminal but the plane was parked at the old terminal and we had to walk all the way up to the new one and climb 3 flights of stairs to get in. Escalator anyone? Think of that in the winter in the wind and rain. Welcome to Ireland in the 21st century.
@republicofcork wrote:
Perhaps we could argue about the scale or location of the Victoria Cross buildings but given teir incredibly minimal detailing and proportions they are some of the best and most contextual buildings in the city. Their quiet simple form is Irish and it is humble and without overt devices or decoration.
I am no architect nor designer, I play music so have some shred of creativity. Those buildings are absolutely AWFUL. Maybe the plan was that all the yellow bricks together makes up one giant yellow brick and the browny/reddy ones below it are worse. It was a glorious chance to 6/7 storey a fabulous gateway building. This business about keeping a city flat is in the dark ages. Its not feasible given the increase in sprawl. Although Cork is one of 2 cities where the population falls. Maybe the fact that there is nowhere to live in the 3 storey capped yellow brick buildings that are built. Its only my own opinion but they look dreadful. If thats the humble quiet simple Irish form then architect schools curriculum needs to be changed from the Wizard of Oz.
@rebel_city wrote:
Hi,
I heard the Fermoy bypass will be a motorway! Excellent if it is!
it will be excellent, pity about the toll, looks very small at the toll bridge, hope it doesnt cause blockages.
work has begun on the former Irish International Trading site at South terrace. Its only on the corner yet but I assume work on the development of the Breastcheck faciity to be built there is about to commence.
@jungle wrote:
While potential light rail and other developments are hugely important to the future of the city, I’d like to hear a few ideas for what can be done to improve the situation immediately.
6 Route in Grange should also go the other way, i.e. an express bus from Grange that goes down towards Kinsale Rd roundabout and in to town that way, the amount of people that get passed on the 6 route in the mornings makes the route ridiculous as the bus is full already. (The 6 did go to McCurtain St I thought once upon a time but had the weird situation that it stopped outside easons for about 10 mins so you ended up walking up there quicker).
Green route on Donnybrook hill needs to be continued in to the village (and the village made one way) rather than the very pointless curent situation where the bus then blocks all the traffic behind it at the school.
Pana traffic free definitely but the only route from say douglas to blackpool /mallow rd is through the city unless you go up silversprings and around that way, so cars have no option. Also removal of most of the bus office will get rid of huge coaches pulling out on to a main rd and maybe leave the bus office as a hub while the core goes to horgans quay (hurry up CIE).
There should be queues of buses to pick people up from the airport, I thought it would be fundamental.
There is a definite bus bias here, given that I would be stunned if light rail appears in the next 10 years. I thought Cork was due to get a fleet of smaller shuttle buses at some stage, like the IMPs in Dublin, more frequent and more of them would be perfect for Corks size. You cant even get a bus after 11.30 at night to major suburbs i.e. nightlink which is a complete joke as you have to get a taxi which is €3.50 just to sit in to (and they are on strike for more money – fair play).
paul montgomerys plans for the former esso muskerry station on western rd have had further info requested.
@Spinal Tap wrote:
Indoor winter sports centre
I dont know about that one! Why not just build the much needed long awaited years delayed 50,000 seater STADIUM on Pairc ui Chaoimh for concerts & matches. Its just so do-able and not a finger being lifted.
any news on Docklands and the tender on the Maxol site?
(This is also an effor to keep this thread going – splitting up the Cork Devt thread wasnt great in my humble opinion)
and presumably Debenhams in Mahon point would be unsustainable if they have a large footprint in the city centre as well?
alchemys initial planning application to clear the former CMP site was due a decision yesterday i think, any word? it went to further info so that prob pushed it out a bit
if the dunkettle 600 houses was refused due to inadequate infrastructure and that it would add to the huge traffic jams already there ( which by the way is a sign of very poor road/transport planning), then how was 694 houses granted at Ballinglanna which is further in to Glanmire and fronts on the Dublin rd which will bring the traffic down in to the Dunkettle roundabout?:confused:
