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Participantjimg wrote:Any update on this? I live just around the corner and as I passed tonight I made the effort of reading the posted planning notice. It’s dated the 27th of July 2006 and it looks like an application to do what they’ve already started doing even though it is in complete breach of the original application]Jimg,
You may make a submission/observation within 5 weeks of receipt o the application by DCC – must pay fee of €20.00.
I will check with DCC (tomorrow hopefully:) re date of receipt and advise of last date for submission. I think this is one case wher a few objections might focus the planners on the importance of the issue.
I will post details of process tomorrow.
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Participant@The Denouncer wrote:
Always depresses me how long it takes things to get built in this country. “It’ll create more traffic on Pearse St!” “It’ll cause noise pollution!” “I won’t be able to see the sea from my bedroom!” “t’ll cast a shadow on the snozberry bush!”
If theres a snozberry bush there then your screwed – its listed as a class 1 endangered species in the Habitats Directive
Quite likely that ther are some snozzes nesting in the area or a t least commuting through the area – which (obvously) is nearly as significent.
It would cost millions to recreate a new habitat even if permitted. You shouldn’t have mentioned it.
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ParticipantAargh – double post.
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Participant@altotude wrote:
Just received a letter from DCC Planning Enforcement regarding “unauthorised development” – an enforcement notice was issued under section 154 of the Planning and Development Act 2000.
Mind you, it doesn’t seem to have slowed them down.
Thanks for that altotude – your previous complaint is obviously why I got such an ‘instant’ response. I got the same letter as you re the Enforcement Notice – which was issued on the 10th July. In fairness to DCC this is an incredibly fast response time.
I’m not concerned by the completion of the footings (I have photographs!).
I expect that work has now ceased and I will continue to monitor. If they have not then the applicant will be very unwise and further submissions will be required.
The next step in the sad saga is probably an application for retention (of the unauthorised demolition). A second chance for the planners perhaps?
I await it with interest.
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Participant@Bruges wrote:
This seems to imply that if the protected structure is your private dwelling you are entitled to modify the interior in accordance with your personal taste provided the works are reversible.
Certainly the extract you quoted would imply this Bruges.
I can only hope that what the Inspector meant was that a slight eparture from the strict Georgian townhouse pattern is acceptable – i.e. that certain very limited expressions of ‘personal taste’ may be permissible (provided they are reversible).
Any general deference to personal taste would open up an appalling vista – might as well scrap the record of PS’s and be done with it.
(I hope the Minister for the Environment and destruction of Heritage hasn’t yet heard of Archeire (or the interweb) 🙂
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Participant@asdasd wrote:
A forum which is shocked, SHOCKED!, when the someone replaces some old windows in the third floor of a nondescript pub in a nondescript Irish country town, is not SHOCKED! if Bishop O’Toole needs more lebensraum and the country cottage is just too quaint for him:
utter bollocks.Haha. 😀
Very amusing. But – in fairness I don’t think anyone on this forum condoned what FOT has proposed – I personally have no idea what it looks like. My point was that the intemperate language used had tainted the objection and that AT should therefore withdraw it (the objection).
I would hold the same view regardless of what was objected to. Objections whould be reasoned and reasonable. Terms such as criminal are neither and serve to reinforce the existing prejudice against AT and give ammunition to the multitudinous gombeens in their ceaseless propoganda.
(Er, you’r not one of them are you Asdad?)
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Participant@Sirius wrote:
If the interior of a place of worship is “protected†it is reasonable that the wider community should ask the religious denomination to respect the architectural heritage in so far as this can be reconciled with the practice of the liturgy. However I do not consider it reasonable that a religious community should be compelled to subordinate their liturgical requirements to the architectural preferences of people who do not share their faith.
I have not posted to this thread before and have not read all the previous posts so apologies if I am repeating previous points – but I am intrigued by the above quote.
Might the same logic not be extended to encompass the more usual type of Protected Structure’?
For example is it reasonable to expect, say Dermot Desmond, to merely observe the law as far as can be reconciled with his particular needs?
He might believe in installing a dumb waiter in a PS for example – I would not share his ‘belief ‘but is his belief not akin to the ‘liturgical preference’ above?
(and what would happen to the (protected) decorative features of Catholic churches if the liturgical preferences chose to dispense with graven images/stained glass etc. and revert to a more fundamental style?)
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Participant@Thomond Park wrote:
The use of the word ‘criminal’ is most unfortunate and I have to say most un-taiscan
It is unfortunate.
I am a supporter of AT but have been aware of this tendancy for some time (see thread ‘AT – vilified for vigelance’ where I stated:
“Thirdly they need to moderate their language. Strident opinions may (?) be acceptable in a discussion forum but they are inappropriate for a publically funded organisation – also unwise.”
It is especially unwise when making a submission on the application of a nationally prominent and supportive journalist.
I feel that the observation is tainted by this language and should be withdrawn by AT – regardless of the context. An apology to the applicant might even be appropriate?
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Participant@ctesiphon wrote:
Can’t think what else it could have been- hardly a common set of circumstances. A pretty shameful business all told.
As an aside- wasn’t the Europa Nostra body reviewing its funding for Trim Castle on the basis if this development? Never heard the results of that one.I’m not sure – I think that by the time they realised that the gombeens had moved in the money was already committed.
Interesting account of the whole sorry affair in the report of the Centre for Public Inquiry – can be downloaded from http://www.publicinquiry.ie/pdf/FIOSRU_270905.pdf
Of course that outfit, along with Duchas, has since been ‘eliminated’ and An Taisce is being starved to death.
It’s not really a conspiracy – they aren’t capable of sustaining a thought for long enough to qualify as a conspiracy – more like inbred contempt for anything that existed before they emerged from the slime (circa 1970).
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ParticipantThanks for all the encouragement folks 🙂
Made the call and submitted the written complaint this am.
On following up this afternoon was advised that site was visited before lunch (!). The person I spoke to was fully au fait with my complaint and very much on the ball (a different person carried out the site visit and I was not in contact with that person).
My understanding is that appropriate action will be taken by DCC immediately. Now I AM holding my breath – perhaps I was unfair in my earlier posts about lack of enforcement?
If action is taken my confidence in the system will be much restored.
Having said all of that I’m still not sure what can be achieved at this stage – poor Manning Robertson must be spinning?
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Participant@phil wrote:
That is an absolute disgrace. Can we do something about this?
Thanks,
Phil
I’m not sure to be honest.
I’m afraid I have very little confidence in the enforcement section of DCC. (In fact , on reflection, ‘very little’ overstates the level of my confidence.)
Anyway – I will put in a call tomorrow but won’t be holding my breath 🙁
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ParticipantThe applicant has up to 6 months to respond to the request for additional information (RFI) – after which time (if unanswered) the application is deemed withdrawn.
If theapplicant responds and if the planning authority considers that the response contains significent additional data then anyone who has already objected plus new entries to the process may makke submissions on the additional information. This fact will be advertised in the press. However if the PA does not consider the additioal information to contain significent new data there is no opportunity to comment on it.
Keep n touch with the progress of the application – it must be decided within 4 weeks of the applicant’s response (8 weeks in some circumstances) and – if you are on record – you will be advised in writing of the decision. You will then have 4 weeks (from the date of the decision) to submit an appeal.
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Participant‘A small amount of demolition means exactly what I choose it to mean, nothing more, nothing less…
1st July 2006
June 29, 2006 at 2:36 pm in reply to: well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ? #753731publicrealm
ParticipantCologneMike posted
While it was generally assumed that Jackson’s Turret was a listed building, this is not so, according to senior planner, Dick Tobin.
When asked what is the criterion required to grant protected status on a building, Mr Tobin explained that this is secured if a building is included in the city’s development plan or alternatively if it is carried forward from a previous development plan.
I am familiar with Jackson’s Turret. It certainly should be a Protected Structure in my view – it is one of the very earliest buildings on that bank of the river and can be seen standing alone in a very early painting looking across the river (eighteenth Century?).
It is also a building with a distinctive and distinguished design. I once heard that it was connected in some way with smuggling on the river? I was inside on two occasions and the interior is also interesting with one particularly fine first floor room overlooking the river.
Considering what happened to Grianblah in Palmerston Park (see separate thread) its architectural quality may not save it.:(
BTY – it is directly across the river from Dick Tobins office – so presumably he knows a little about it.
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Participant@paul h wrote:
could this describe tallaght also??
(although i’ve heard there is a lot of development in and around ‘the square’)
sprawling estates with no main street or real centre (excluding a shopping mall)these type of communities exist everywhere here outside the cities
suburban hell in my opinion, where car is kingThis is true of the early development of Tallaght but the local planners are making reasonable efforts to redress the matter.
The latest is the Tallaght Town Centre Masterplan which is at public consultation stage – may be adopted as soon as late August 2006. It’s not a bad effort although a little lacking in imagination. You can view a copy at http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=123&deptid=11&dpageid=869
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ParticipantI find them very convenient.
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ParticipantPhil and Ctesiphon,
The view is of the west gable wall and through it the interior of the house.
It appears that a part of the north front remains and that all of the east and south walls are gone, along with all of the internal walls and the roof (and the library, minstrel’s gallery etc).:(
My understanding is that planning permission derives generally from the plans and particulars lodged but that even if the plans and particulars outline works which are not covered in the statutory notices then those omitted works do not benefit from the permission.
In this case the degree of demolition appears not to be adequately covered by the phrase (from the site notice) “The proposal requires a small amount of demolition”. ??
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ParticipantThere ya go (gone!)
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Participant@altotude wrote:
I have given up on it totally … Very high hoardings have gone up around the site so it’s quite difficult to tell what’s going on in there. It seems that at this stage all the roof is gone anyway. Hopefully at least the replacement will be nice … I’ll keep an eye out and post some photos once the construction is getting somewhere.
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I passed the site today and about 90% has been demolished.:(
The statutory notices referred to ‘a small amount of demolition’.
I took some pics but at just under 500kb they are too big to upload. I don’t think I have any software to reduce the size as I am posting from home.
I will try to resolve on Monday but, in the meantime, any views on the non-compliance with the statutory notices?
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ParticipantQUOTE=ctesiphon]
Wasn’t the outcome of the courtcase something along the lines of the new residents of the adjoining development being given swipe cards to use the gate? Maybe I’m getting mixed up. Fully agreed, though, about the mistake of ABP in challenging this one- can’t do their public profile much good, which is hardly what they need right now.
The adjoining residents will be allowed to use the parkland and access the LUAS – this was always offered by the current residents (provided the maintenance costs are shared pro-rata) and there is no reasonable planning argument against such an arrangement (certainly not a winnable argument in my view).
. I have a rehearsed rant on Ireland’s increasingly litigious culture, but it puts me in a bad mood and I don’t want to spoil such a nice day.
I know, I know – the residents were probably not so concerned by 60 year old married (you are married?)alcoholic women frisbee players such as yourself (any photographs?;) ). To be honest they probably had more middle class concerns about Anto and his mates with their beer cans and the fear that Anto might claim that the seating/lighting/maintenance of same/whatever (erected on Anto’s behalf by the middle class residents, by dictat of the Commissariat/Board) caused him to slip on a pool of Jacinta’s vomit causing emotional suffering and irreparable damage to his ability to work. An open and shut case m’lud – disadvantaged youth v middle class bastards in (gated) community. Must be worth a mill?
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