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- October 25, 2009 at 10:41 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773214
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ParticipantAnd here is another bit of nonsense from the unknowingness of a clerical gusher:
“A visit to Cobh Cathedral is a moving spiritual experience. The gothic grandeur of the interior, the delicate carvings, the beautiful arches and the mellow lighting combine to lift the human spirit. The carvings recall the history of the Church in Ireland from the time of St. Patrick to the present century. It is the story of our faith earthed in the story of our people”.
October 25, 2009 at 10:34 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773213Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Just admire this wonderful example of gorgously air-tight double glazing on the lancets of the South aisle in Cobh Cathedral and think of the acceleration with which the lead work holding the glass must be deteriorating behind it. Indeed, if it has taken only 10 years for the newly installed “restored” wooden floor to come up ad wreck the unprotected mosaics; and even less than 10 years for the internal bath sheeting of he South side to collappse due to water ingress from a wrongly finstlled new roof and incompetent gutters; and for the walls of the baptistery to disintigrate due to the leaking roof on the north tower on the west fcade – then it should take that long for most of this glass just to fall into the south aisle some day soon.
October 25, 2009 at 10:18 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773212Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Some more shotrs of the “conservation” and faux maintenance work being carried out on the South facade of the building.
It is also interesting to note the state of “conservation” of the inside of the parapet railing – if Praxiteles mistakes not, all that looks very like rust.
And just behold the visual effect on the building of all that lovely air-tight double glazing !
October 24, 2009 at 6:38 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773211Praxiteles
ParticipantAn article on the theological significance of numbers and numeration:
October 23, 2009 at 10:26 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773210Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Some more views of the “restoration” works going on at Cobh cathedral and a couple of close ups of the beautifully air-tight double galzing on the windows of the South aisle.
October 23, 2009 at 8:48 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773209Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
That sign hanging on the scaffolding tells a bitter tale of government subsidy: clearly, some questions will have to be asked of the government in these streightened times as to why it supports an initiative that is likely to cause even more damage to the fabric of Cobh Cathedral than the last “restoration” when the financials returns of the restoration Fund show that Cathedral “restorers” have sometinbg like Euro 1.4 million in the bank.
October 23, 2009 at 8:42 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773208Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Some further pictures of the “restoration” and “conservation” work being undertaken to fix the damage caused by the 1992-2003 “reatoration”. The level of scaffolding gives an idea of how extensive these works are.
October 23, 2009 at 2:36 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773207Praxiteles
ParticipantFrom the Sunday Business Post, 13 January 2008:
Falling masonry forces part-closure of cathedral
Sunday, January 13, 2008 – By Kieron Wood
When worshippers at St Colman’s Cathedral in Cobh, Co Cork, gaze heavenwards during Mass, they are as likely to be considering falling masonry as spiritual matters.The magnificent Pugin cathedral, set high above Cobh harbour, has been undergoing renovations for 15 years, but now a large section of the cathedral has had to be closed to the public because of collapsing stonework.
Although millions of euro have been spent on repairs, figures released last week show that most of the money collected for the restoration is going on professional fees.
According to accounts filed with the Companies Office by the Cobh Cathedral restoration fund, €358,305 was paid to building contractors between 2000 and 2006,while €367,605 was spent on professional fees, advertising and promotions. In 2006 alone, €148,000went on professional fees, while just €4,000 was spent on the cathedral bells.
The restoration programme began in 1992,when it was discovered that the roof slates of St Colman’s were crumbling. The projected cost was estimated at up to €5 million.
To date, the roof has been reslated, with some woodwork replaced, the granite stonework has been cleaned and pointed, the stained glass windows have been storm glazed and re-leaded, statues repaired, a new electrical system installed, the carillon restored and two new bells added. A new sub-floor heating system has been installed, the entire wood block floor replaced and an up-to-date fire detection system installed.
The Accumulated Fund of St Colman’s Roman Catholic Trust Limited at December 31, 2006 totalled €1,092,702 – mainly raise by contributions from parishioners, a contribution from the Cloyne Diocesan Fund, grants and other donations.
Total income of the fund between 1993 and 2006 amounted to €5,479,100, and total payments on the cathedral restoration programme amount to €4,386,398.
But proposals by the Bishop of Cloyne, Dr John Magee, to refurbish the cathedral interior have met stiff local opposition, with more than 24,000 local people signing a petition against the plans.
Despite more than 200 objections from individuals and groups, Cobh Town Council granted permission for the changes in September 2006.
The newly formed Friends of St Colman’s Cathedral (FOSCC) appealed to An Bord Pleanala, supported by the Department of the Environment, the Georgian Society, An Taisce and the Pugin Society in England.
After a three-day oral hearing in February and March 2006, the planning board rejected the changes, and work came to a halt.
But last month, parishioners were warned that ‘‘safety concerns’’ had arisen about masonry high up on the south of the cathedral.
‘‘For this reason, it has become necessary to cordon off a part of the south side. Arrangements have already been made to have this matter dealt with as soon as possible.â€
A diocesan spokesman told The Sunday Business Post: ‘‘No part of the cathedral has collapsed in any way. Since December, a section of the south nave and the south aisle of the cathedral have, for safety reasons, been cordoned off due to fragments falling from the clerestory wall. The occurrence is currently being examined by experts and a report is awaited.
‘‘Less than 10 per cent of the seating capacity is cordoned off. Over 90 per cent of the cathedral is still in use.â€
But Adrian O’Donovan, spokesman for FOSCC, said: ‘‘We have expressed our concerns in relation to the lack of maintenance in the cathedral for some time. We are most anxious that any further works are carried out to the highest professional and conservation standards.â€
The situation has been the subject of online debate on the architectural blog Archiseek, with contributors claiming parts of the cathedral were littered with bits of stone and questioning the standards of the work done.
The diocesan spokesman said all restoration work had been done to the highest standards and under the guidance of eminent architects and conservation experts.
‘‘The restoration programme still remains incomplete. Specifications are being prepared for restoration work on the entrance, doors and mosaic floors of the cathedral. This work will be done in consultation with the planning authorities and in accordance with planning requirements and guidelines. The main altar in the sanctuary of this magnificent cathedral is still a moveable plywood structure,†he said.
October 23, 2009 at 12:07 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773206Praxiteles
Participant@apelles wrote:
It just defies belief that they could have made such a balls of & wasted so much time & resources on that “restoration”? someone has to be held accountable for this disastrous waste of parisherners money…
It is not just parishioners money or diocesan money it is also public money which has been completely wasted and in the process substantial material damage has been done to one of the most important buildings in the country.
As we have pointed out before, the Cobh Cathedral restoration fund received £125K from the heritage Council; in excess of £30K from the EU heritage fund; as well as money from Cork County Council. Indeed the Heritage Counbcil has made a further grant of Euro 70K available for these latest works and does not seem at all concerned to ensure that they will be carried out in a manner that will not cause further deterioration of the fabric of the building.
October 23, 2009 at 8:29 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773205Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Just in case anyone may still thinks that Cobh Cathedral is of “hay-barn” importance, it may be worth noting that the recently published Architectural Survey for the National Architectural Inventory has rated the building as being of “International” importance – a point which has been repeatedly made on this thread. Yet, its conservation appears to be in the hands of Beotians abetted by an incompetent loacl authority (whose abolition is heartily advocated for the greater good of humanity).
Here is the relevant link in the East Cork section of the Architectural Survey:
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/niah/search.jsp?type=record&county=EC®no=20827192
October 23, 2009 at 8:18 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773204Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Looking at the South facade in the picture above, Praxiteles’ attention cannot help being drawn to the acres of bland -and, by the looks of it, unventilated- double glazing in all of the windows in the South aisle and in the South clearstory. If all of this lovely heavy and monotonous shiny glass is unventilate can we imagine the effects that will be having on the lead structure supporting the stianed glass installed in these windows by Hardmans of Birmingham in the late 1880s? Do not be surprised if some of them do just fall into the South aisle some morning – just like the bath stone fromt he South wall. Here is another example of the efficacy fo the 1993-2000 “restoration” work. Is Mr. Slattery prepared to accept responsibility for this?
In the link below, we have guidelines for the care and maintenance of stained glass published by the Heritage Council_
http://www.heritagecouncil.ie/fileadmin/user_upload/Publications/Architecture/glass.pdf
It should be pointed out that secondary sheeting in front of stained glass is not generally recommended as a conservation practice – let alone a “best practie” conservation procedure. It appears that the Heritage Council will not allot conservation grants to buildings which use this practice. However, the Heritage Council made something in the region of £225, 000 available for the 1993-2000 series of “conservation” works and, a further Euro 70,000 was made available, in a great rush, last June for the Cathedral “conservation” project specifically for the works we see being carried out on the South facade of Cobh Cathedral. In relation to this latter grant, it would appear that certain recent government directives concerning grants to entities such as the Cathedral Restoration Project, the Trustees of Cobh Cathedral, and the St. Colman’s Cathedral Restoration Committee Ltd. may not have been met – indeed, they may have been breached. This aspect of matters may warrent further public scrutiny.
October 22, 2009 at 10:34 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773202Praxiteles
ParticipantSt Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Did anyone ever think just ten years ago that we would have to re-do much of the “restoration” work of the 1993-2000 period? Did anyone ever expect to see so much scaffolding on Cobh Cathedral in anything less than 50 years from the completion of the last works? Would David Slattery confirm that he presided over the 1993-2000 external “restoration” which has failed and now has to be redone?
October 22, 2009 at 10:17 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773200Praxiteles
ParticipantJust to prove the point by reference to contemporary records, here we have a gushing description of the 1993-2000 “restoration” work published on the Cobh Cathedral web site by a vapid clerical gusher:
“St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork. Ireland.
Restoration.In 1992, it was discovered that the roof-slates of St. Colman’s Cathedral were crumbling to dust. It was necessary to re-slate immediately or risk the entire building in a storm. Further inspection revealed that the years had taken their toll on other parts of the structure also. If this beautiful building was to be handed on to the next generations, a major restoration was necessary.
The Restoration Project was established. The projected cost was estimated at £3.25 – £4 million. The work was divided into a series of phases to be spread over 10 years. The Restoration work began in 1993.
To date a sizeable part of this work has been completed. The roof has been completely re-slated. All damage to roof cresting, leadwork and drainage has been repaired. The granite exterior stonework has been cleaned and pointed. The stained glass windows were storm glazed and re-leaded where necessary. 1995 – 1996 has seen the cleaning and pointing on the spire from top to ground. The building has been rewired to full safety standards. All this work has been paid for at a cost of £2 million.
Several stages remain and will require close on a further £2 million to complete. To date funding has come from the people of the diocese, from the people of Cobh (one third) and from donations from the private and corporate sectors. We will continue to need this support if the work is to be completed. It is hoped to have the Restoration Project substantially completed for the Great Millennium, the year 2000 A.D.”
Here is the accompanying photograph of the “restoraton” work:

As far as pointing is concerened and works to conserving the fabric, I am afraid that we cannot avoid the conclusion that since several of these have failed in their objectives in the relatively short time span of ten years, the funds expended on them must of necessity be regarded as having been wasted. It also appears that the guttering along the South elevation must be replaced as the specimens installed in 1993-2000 have failed. Moreover, the beautiful building has been handed over to the successive generation in tatters.
October 22, 2009 at 10:10 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773199Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Readers will be aware that works are currently being carried on at St Colman’s cathedral. tese works are regarded as ordinary maintenance by Cobh Town Council. Essentially, what is now happening is repairing the damage to the fabric which has been caused by a series of injudicious works carried out on it from 1993-2000. Readers will recall that the Bath stone cladding of the South arcade was badly affected by water ingress and sections of it collapsed at Christmas 2007. The information below now indicates just how extensive the deficiencies of the 1993-2000 “conservation” works were. Five rows of slate on the South side must be removed and a provision made to prevent rain by forced under them by teh strong South winds – why was this not done during the “conservation” work. Although the originaly slates had pulverised and needed to eb replaced, the Cathedral roof did not suffer from this problem prior to 1993-2000 works.
Also, we are told that the mortar pointing on the South side must be replaced as well as on the North side. The dissolution of the pointing which was installed in 1993-2000 has caused water to penetarte the walls on the South and North sides causing extensive damage to the North wall of the Baptietery. Up to the time of the 1992-2000 “conservation” works, this problem did not exist.
A new under floor heating system was also installed in the 1993-2000 “conservation works”. This heating system is covered by a block wood floor. WHen the heating is switched on, the wooden floor expands. Because the protective metal case for the aisle mosaics was removed and not replaced, the expanding wooden floor expands into the tesserae of the aisle mosaics causing them to lift. This problem had not existed prior to the “conservation works”.
All of this, amply abetted by Cobh Town Council, does not engender much confidence in the best conservation practice that is often touted by the Cork Conservation Officer but little of which makes its way onto the ground in Cobh.
Unless I am mistaken, the architect for external conservation works in the 1990s at Cobh Cathedral was a gentleman called David Slattery.
October 21, 2009 at 10:57 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773198Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd this:

Book Launch: Douglas Richardson’s Canadian Churches: An Architectural History
Place: David Mirvish Books, 596 Markham Street, Toronto
Date: Tuesday, November 13
Time: 6-8 pm
Info: http://www.fireflybooks.com/celebrationFirefly Books & David Mirvish Books invite you to a Book Launch & Celebration
With every book purchased, receive a frameable poster. Refreshments will be served.
Editor’s Note: A much anticipated book from a favorite professor of Canadian architectural history, if you can’t go, you can order online from David Mirvish Books
Douglas Richardson was the man who published the seminal work on Irish neo-Gothic architecture in the early 1970s.
And some more detals:
Canadian Churches
An Architectural HistoryPeter Richardson and Douglas Richardson, photographs by John de Visser, R.C.A.
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10/12/2007Book Website
440 pages, 10″ x 11 1/2″
more than 400 color photographs and 100 architectural drawings, sidebars, index
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85.00 CDN / 85.00 USThe first definitive guide to Canada’s most beautiful and significant churches.
In every city and town in Canada, churches stand as monuments to our spiritual, ethnic and architectural heritage. With as many styles as there are denominations of faith, these buildings tell the story of 250 years of immigrants bringing their Old World traditions into a New World landscape, and of how these traditions changed over time as the country moved west.
These magnificent buildings were constructed by many different denominations and in very different styles, but they all have in common the desire to create a lasting and suitable monument to their faith.
Canadian Churches: An Architectural History is the first definitive guide to more than 250 of the most beautiful and significant churches across the country. Peter Richardson and Douglas Richardson provide the history of each church, including its construction, subsequent alterations or additions, the early congregation, and any architectural details that make these churches unique and noteworthy.
Packed with more than 400 photographs, this book is as beautiful as it is informative. The authors have captured the essence of the buildings as well as the human drama and passion that led to their creation. The rich history and beauty bring a romance to the “architecture of religion” that will leave readers captivated, regardless of their faith.
Canadian Churches is a must for anyone interested in Canadian architecture, history and religion.
Peter Richardson is Emeritus Professor of the University of Toronto in the Department for the Study of Religion. His books include Building Jewish in the Roman East and Herod: King of the Jews and Friend of the Romans.
Douglas Richardson is Emeritus Professor of the University of Toronto in the Department of Fine Art. His books include The Open Gate: Toronto Union Station; Ontario Towns; and A Not Unsightly Building: University College and Its History.
John de Visser has over 50 books to his credit. A member of the Royal Canadian Academy of Arts, he was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award from the Canadian Association of Photographers and Illustrators in Communications.
October 21, 2009 at 10:47 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773197Praxiteles
ParticipantA couple of interesting ecclesiastical items from canada.
First this:

(It does not take too much to detect the influence of JJ McCarthy in that facade)
And the interior:
Some idea of the extent of the recent renovation can be gained from this link:
http://www.rooftilemanagement.com/StPatrick.html
“Recycling keeps Landmark Church out of Landfill
Catherine NasmithThere is something poetic about a community that has kept its landmark church out of the landfill by recycling stuff.
The village of Kinkora Ontario is very determined to keep its landmark church. The tiny crossroads farming community is graced by the presence of its cathedral scale St. Patricks Church, built in 1882, designed by the famous architect Joseph Connelly. The church is reminiscent of the Church of the Immaculate Conception in Formosa in being extremely ambitious in scale for its community, as well as having been designed by the same architect. The Formosa church was the inspiration for the Ontario church in Jane Urquart’s novel The Stone Carvers. Such buildings take monumental effort to create.
Open to the public on September 29 there was an opportunity to share the beauty of the building but also the remarkable story of its restoration. In just five years a congregation of only 150 families, with just over 50 very active members has managed to raise 1.4 million dollars. Another $600,000 is needed to re-instate the spire that was removed a few years ago because it had become unstable.
Congregation member Pauline Bokkers spoke of the ongoing effort. “Our ancestors built us such a beautiful building…..we just had to find a way to save it.” When they started, it was with a roofing project that had been estimated at $600,000. As is often the case, once the construction started much more was needed.
The story of how the monies were raised is inspiring. In addition to community bake-sales and gala dinners the congregation began to collect as many recyclables as they could and sold them. This was the most lucrative of the projects, but took thousands and thousands of volunteer hours. Millions of pop cans have been collected; crushed one by one by a blind volunteer who took this on as the thing he could contribute. Newspapers by the thousands were collected. Another volunteer spent months tearing the covers off of all the discarded library books from towns within a hundred miles to capture the paper.
Hats off to Kinkora. Faith, commitment, determination, and perseverance have paid off. The project has not only strengthened the congregation, but the community all around”.
October 21, 2009 at 7:32 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773196Praxiteles
ParticipantThe pulpit in the cathedral of St. Anthony in telsiai in Lithuania:
The exterior
October 20, 2009 at 10:20 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773195Praxiteles
ParticipantThe pulpit in the Archcathedral of St. Peter in Posen:
October 20, 2009 at 10:12 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773194Praxiteles
ParticipantAnother example of a Fischerkanzl, this time from the church of Sts. Peter and Paul (1668-1705) in Vilnius, Lithuania. This example carried the explicit reference to the text in St. Luke’s Gospel recounting that Jesus “ascendens in naviculam Simonis Petri docebat turbas” (and Jesus, getting into Simon Peter’s boat, taught the crowds)



October 19, 2009 at 7:04 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773193Praxiteles
ParticipantSome further pictures of the Bernini Tabernacle:


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