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- March 5, 2006 at 2:27 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767904
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ParticipantHe also did not seem to know that holding clonsultations with the hoi polloi in parallel with submitting the planning application to Cobh Town Council did not mean putting in the application first and then “consulting” the profanum vulgus – who have now caught up with him.
March 5, 2006 at 1:39 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767902Praxiteles
ParticipantThe latest piece of interesting detail from the the Midleton Park Oral Hearing on the planned reordering of ST. COlman’s Cathedral is that of 214 objections lodged with Cobh Town Council, Des heffernan, the Senior Planning Officer who was acting in a temporary capacity admitted under cross examination that he had not read ( or indeed seen) more than 70 of those objections. Having checked the objections to-day, it transpires that 92 objections were not read or seen by him. Those 92 objections were submitted by 311 people. This is certainly a very novel approach to democracy and the rule of law. It also seems that 2 objections made by An Taisce may also fall into this catagory and no mention of them is made in Mr. Heffernan’s Report recommending that planning permission be granted to wreck the sanctuary.
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ParticipantE. W. Pugin
The Basilica of Our Lady in Dadizele, Flanders
This looks to eb the interior before the WWI bombing.
March 4, 2006 at 12:36 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767901Praxiteles
ParticipantAfter seeing the sleezy clerics who are promoting the destruction of the interior of Cobh Cathedral and their miserable performance during the Oral Hearing at the Midleton Park Hotel during the week, I am not at all surprised that they would not think twice about digging bore holes in the floor of the sanctuary.
These holes were made last Tuesday night. A notorious iconoclastic ckleric, accompanied by a mosaic “expert” flown in from London, and two workmen entered the Cathedral with a jack hammer and took two sample from the floor of the sanctuary. They were obviously tryoing to determine the substrata of the mosaics – never having bothered to make an attempt to find out what lay below the mosaic up until then. This is another example of the proficiency of Cobh Town Council – they made a grant of permission without even bothering to ask if they knew what the mosaic was fix on. Neither did the Town Council ask for a heritage impact report – that had to be done by a group of sensible parishioners.
March 3, 2006 at 6:30 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767896Praxiteles
ParticipantAnother one to cover himself in glory during the Oral hearing was the Bishop of Cloyne, John Magee. Prior to the hearing, he circularised the priests of the diocese to have them turn up to show “support”. This was a sort of Orangeman approach. The bigger and wider the black phalanx the more intimidated the inspetor would be. That approach kind of back fied when the indomitable Counsellor Sean O’Connor, at the end of his submission, thanked the cllergy for coming out in such large numbers to support those trying to save Cobh Cathedral from wreckage.
Bishop Magee also circularised the other bishops of the Munster province. So dutifully, Bishops Buckely of Cork, Murphy of Kerry (who apparently had nothing better to be doing in Killarney on Ash Wednesday), Clifford of Cashel (who drove his own motor car to the hearing) and Walsh of Killaloe all turned up during the course of the hearing to make solidarity with Bishop Magee.
There was another snag to that showing. We are told that on Wednesday night Bishop Magee’s legal team told him to stay at home on the final day of the hearing for he ran the risk of being called togive evidence by the Inspector and his counsel would be able to to save him from the ordeal of cross examination especially as the documentation which had been requested by the Tribunal had clearly shown the extent of the inconsistencies told by Bishop Magee. On Thursday, Magee was in hiding in the palace in Cobh afraid to come out. Unfortunately, he had not had the heart to tell poor Bishop WIllie Walsh who turned up and no body to give support or solidarity to. As soon as Bishop Magee’s insonsistent correspondence can be scanned, I shall post it. It certainly makes very interesting reading.
March 3, 2006 at 6:13 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767894Praxiteles
ParticipantMurder in the Cathedral in the dead of night!
The mosaic “expert” fished up by Cathal O’Neill and Co. appeared so anxious to have the job of lifiting the floor in Cobh that there was not anything in the workld thta he could not lift. A right bloody Atlas he was….Go bless Cathal O’Neill for finding them.
March 3, 2006 at 6:06 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767893Praxiteles
ParticipantAnother interesting cross-examination by Shane Murphy SC on behalf of the Friends of St. COlman’s Cathedral was that of Mary O’Halloran, the Cobh Town manageress. Following on the the revelations of Mr Heffernan’s omissions, the town manageress came into the Oral Hearing and announced that she had read all of the objections. Seemingly, she reads all of the objections lodged against every application as a metter of course. She declared that she had set aside a half day to read all of the objections to the application submitted by the Cathedral Trustees. A half day is four hours. Well, the calculators came out and 60X4=240 and 240 divided by 214 amounted to just over a minute per objection – though at least one important objection ran to more than ten pages. Be that as it may, Ms O’Halloran was given a copy of the minutes of the meeting of Cobh Town Council of 12 September 2005 in which there is an account of a debate concerning whether those whose objections had not been read would be receiving a refund. The question wwas posed by Counsellor Sean O’Connor. The good lady assured the council meeting that ALL of the objections had been read and she declared that she knew this because she had been so assured by Mr Des Heffernan. She then is minuted as saying that she did not intend to discuss the matter any further. When asked why she had not told the council’s last September meeting that she had read all of the objections, she mentioned something about not having found the box that Mr Heffernan had not read. When asked why she had not informed counsellor O’Connor of her discovery, she said that he had not asked her. When asked if she noted in the minutes that she said she was not going to discuss the matter further did she think Counsellor O’Connor would have asked her? And so and so forth………
March 3, 2006 at 3:46 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767890Praxiteles
ParticipantThe most important piece of drama at the CObh Cathedral Oral Hearing in Midleton was Shane Murphy’s corss-examination of Des Heffernan (planning official) on behalf og the Friends of St. COlman’s Cathedral. Mr. heffernan, on the basis of whose “work” Cobh Town COuncil granted planning permission for the wreckage of the Cathedral interior was careful enough to begin by pointing out to one of the Town Consellors that he was not in fact a “temporary planning officer” but a senior planning officer whos was acting in a temporary capacity, supplying while the county architect, Deasey, went off on holidays. Strange to say, Mr Heffernan’s contributions to the Orla Hearing, though highly significant, never made it into any of the newspapers. WHile being very careful to correct a minor point touncing his own vanity, Mr. Heffernan quickly let it be known that his cafefulness did not extend to reading all of the objections taht had been lodged against the planning application. Indeed, Mr. Heffernan’s “due care” did not even manage to get beyond 140 of the 214 objections that head been lodged against Cathal O’Neill’s rampage. Despite the fact that 70 people paid Euro 20 each just to express an opinion in a democratic process, the person paid by the public to read, examine and assess those objections did not bother his **** to read almost one third of the objections submitted. Is it any wonder that the populòation of Cobh is this morning on the verge of revolution. The same Mr. Heffernan, under further cross.-examination admitted that even if they had been read it would not have mattered because the planning pèermission was going to be granted simply because Bishop MacGhee wanted it like a child screaming for a rattler. Is not that some level of public “service” for you. There may well be more to discover about how the tpwn officials went about processing the planning application for permission to “develop” the Cathedral sanctuary.
March 3, 2006 at 9:22 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767888Praxiteles
ParticipantMidleton Park had a quiet few titters yesterday as Shane Murphy, SC, took Cathal O’Neill through his paces. The great professor told the Cobh Cathedral Oral Hearing that he had been jobbing away as an architect for 51 years. He admitted that he was not a church architect, nor a conservation architect. He had “done” 3 church re-orderings in 51 years. Correcting his drift he siad that it had actually been 2 church re-orderings and 1 cathedral. He said that he was happy with 2 of those re-orderings and not so much with the third. When Shane Murphy asked him which cathedral he had re-ordered, he owned up that it was the Pro-Cathedral, a comment that drew the question from Mr. Murphy, “Are you sure that is a cathedral?”
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ParticipantDear KerryBog2,
I am a little tied up at the moment with Midleton -where progress is being made – but I will get back to this quam primum. P
February 28, 2006 at 2:31 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767885Praxiteles
ParticipantCathedral of St. Paul. Pittsburg
Designed by Egan and Prindeville of Chicago and built by Thomas Reilly, a general contractor from Philadelphia, the new Saint Paul’s is an example of the Scholastic, or Decorated, Gothic style of the 14th Century. The building rises two hundred and forty seven feet with a statue of Saint Paul mounted on the center pediment. Other exterior statues depict the apostles and evangelists of the Eastern and Western Church. While the overall proportions of the structure are not true to the classic cathedrals of Europe, Saint Paul Cathedral fits the site and (as the cathedrals of old) reflects their spirit and historical significance.
February 26, 2006 at 8:33 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767883Praxiteles
ParticipantIt is skin and hair time at the Midelton Park Hotel in Midleton CO. Cork on Tuesday next at 10 am when the Bord Pleanala Oral Hearing gets under way on the subject of the re-oredring of Cobh Cathedral. It appears that there is a titanic legal togg-out with the bishop MacGhee fielding a team calcualted to intimidate Ghengis Khan – its just the Orangeman approach breaking out, bully and bang loud enough and you will have your way. If anyone is free, Midleton is the place to be.
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ParticipantSt. Mary’s, Burrow on Furness
E.W: Pugin 1852
St. Mary’s Catholic Church is built on a plot of ground facing Duke Street, generously presented by the Duke of Devonshire through Sir James Ramsden, to whom the Catholics of Barrow owe a deep debt of gratitude. The designs were furnished by the late Mr. Pugin, to whose father this country is indebted for the revival of Gothic architecture-a style which seems intimately connected with the sublimity of christian worship. The church was built in 1866-7, at a cost of £6,000. The finished design includes a tower and spire which, when added, will render the building not only a conspicous object in the street in which it is situated, but an ornament to the town. The interior is spacious, accommodating about 800 persons, and consists of an apsidal chancel, nave, and side aisles. The latter are separated from the nave by rows of arches resting on pillars with alternately moulded and floriated capitals. The pupit is a creditable piece of carving, bearing on its four sides, cut in high relief, representations of the four evangelists in the act of committing to writing the inspirations of the, Holy Ghost. The chancel is embellished by a magnificent altar and reredos, designed and carved by Messrs. Neill and Pearson, the eminent sculptors of Dublin. The whole design is beautifully characteristic in its conception, and harmonizes well with the Gothic style which has been preserved throughout the edifice. The prominent portions, consisting of the antependium (front part of the altar), the tabernacle, and the candle benches, are all composed of statuary marble, except the plinth, which is of dark coloured marble. Behind is the reredos of Caen stone, containing six arches, three on each side of the tabernacle, resting on beautifully polished columns of Galway green marble. Within these niches are the following effigies : on the right the Immaculate Heart of Mary, St. James, and St. Paul; and on the left a statue of the Sacred Heart, St. Peter, and St. John. The reredos is surmounted by embattled work, richly moulded and carved. On the front of the altar are two very significant groups representing the Last Supper, after Leonardo da Vinci, and the Adoration of the Lamb. These groups stand out in high relief, and are both admirable specimens of the truthfulness and delicacy of the sculptor’s chisel. Above the tabernacle rises a massive canopy, supported on red marble columns. It is octagonal, resting on a square, which has gablets on each of its four sides, in which are arches. Each of these gables is finished by a finial. The upper part of the canopy is richly crocketed, and terminates in a large floriated finial. The tabernacle and candle benches are heavily moulded and inlaid with red, green, and white marbles. The tabernacle is also enriched by an elaborate brass door, on which are engraved a cross, and a border of beautiful flowing foliage. The work is all executed in the highest style of art, and is a credit to the sculptors. Last year, 1881, a large and powerful organ was added to the church, which necessitated a very considerable enlargement of the gallery. The instrument was originally built by Messrs. Hill and Son, of London, for the Theatre of the Liverpool Philharmonic Society, and contains nearly 3,000 pipes. It is blown by hydraulic power, but is also so arranged as to be independent of water force. We are glad to note that the cheap coloured prints of the Stations of the Cross hitherto used in the church, are now (June, 1882) being replaced by a set more worthy the edifice. The new series are well executed oleographic copies of the Italian masters. Each picture is encased in a massive oak frame of two shades, richly carved in the Renaissance style. A bell and bugle moulding and corner pattresses give a lightness and artistic finish to the frame. The upper and lower shafts carry tablets, bearing the number of the station and the names of the donors. The frames are the design and work of Mr. Matthew Russell, and bear testimony to his manipulative skill. The mission is under the care of the Rev. E. Caffrey, assisted by two resident curates, and numbers about 5,000. Attached to the church is a handsome presbytery from the designs of Mr. J. O’Byrne, of Liverpool. The Schools, near the church, form a good block of buildings, of the Gothic style to agree with that edifice, and enlivened by the introduction of bands of cream coloured bricks. The accommodation becoming too limited, the schools were enlarged in 1881, by the addition of a spacious two storied building, increasing the capacity to about 1,000. The new wing is a substantial brick building with a capacity for 500 children, and was erected at a cost of about £3 per child of the accommodation. The boys’ school is under the care of Mr. Bulmer, and the girls’ and infants’ under Miss Fairbairn and Miss Shaw.
from Mannex’s directory of Furness and Cartmel, 1882.Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Joseph’s, Glasthule
E.W. Pugin and G.C. Ashlin 1866
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ParticipantOur Lady’s and St. Michael’s, Workington
E. W. Pugin, 1876
February 25, 2006 at 12:27 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767882Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Parish Church of St. Nicholas, Churchtown, Mallow, Co. Cork
Would anyone have any idea as to the architect?
February 23, 2006 at 9:52 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767881Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Mary’s Cathedral, Amidale, New South Wales
consecrated 1912
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ParticipantSt. Anne’s, Rockferry, Birkenhead
designed by E.W. Pugin (1875)
February 23, 2006 at 12:02 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767880Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Mary’s Cathedral, Sale, Victoria
February 22, 2006 at 11:51 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #767879Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Patrick’s Cathedral, Ballarat, Victoria
Although Catholic Services were conducted in Ballarat from 1851 onwards, the parish of Ballarat was instituted in 1852. The first Parish Priest was Father Matthew Downing, who in 1853, selected the two acre site for the church, which was granted under a Crown Grant in 1855. The style of the church is early Gothic from the era of Edward the 1st in the 13th Century. The dimensions are basically 150ft by l00ft. On February 7th, 1858, Bishop James Alipius Goold laid the foundation stone for the church, which commenced being used on a regular basis for Mass in 1863. The miners presented the Bishop with gold nuggets which were formed into a Chalice and Paten, found today in the Victoria and Albert Museum, London. With this exception all the presentation plate is still held by the Diocese.
St Patrick’s was Ballarat’s only parish church from 1863 to 1963.The official opening of the church was in 1871 and when the Diocese of Ballarat was formed in 1874, the first Bishop, Dr Michael O’Connor chose it for his Cathedral. When St Patrick’s Cathedral, Ballarat was finally consecrated in 1891 by Cardinal Moran of Sydney, it was the first Catholic Cathedral consecrated in the Australian Colonies, making it today Australia’s oldest consecrated Cathedral.
In 1887, a High Altar, which can be seen still today, and Stations of the Cross were purchased from Rome. The altar is of Carrara marble inlaid with precious stones including Antico Rossi, Lapis Lazuli and antique marbles. The tiles of the Sanctuary and side chapels are from Austria and those in the nave from Minton’s England. The first organ installed in 1867, was replaced with the Fincham in 1930.
The stained glass windows were introduced in 1883, the first being that in the Sanctuary. Following this were the Lady Chapel window and Blessed Sacrament Chapel window. These three windows were made in Germany and a slight variation in colour to the other windows can be noticed.
The remaining windows were gradually added to, until the final one in 1910. Of these, the first was presented by the Loreto Sisters representing St Brigid (note her Crozier, the traditional mark of a Bishop). On the opposite side of the narthex is St Patrick’s window, donated by the third Bishop, Bishop Higgins (note the crozier piercing Aengus through the foot). Both these windows have the Holy Spirit uppermost. The side windows depict the parables.
An extensive renovation and liturgical upgrade of the Cathedral took place in 1999. Highlights of this were the installation of a new altar, tabernacle and baptismal space. Also of note was the discovery of the original paint colours around the sanctuary, which have been conserved in the renovation. The new altar, given by the Archdiocese of Melbourne, was consecrated by Cardinal George Pell on April 26, 2000.
Five of Ballarat’s seven Bishop’s are buried in the crypt, which is in the northern transcept. - AuthorPosts