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- August 14, 2006 at 8:32 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768325
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Participant@brianq wrote:
Hi prax,
I am as regards R&McC and the Art & Architecture advisory committee – which has fr Paddy Jones as its secretary and also has Eamon Heddermann as a member. The Art & architecture committee prepared the text of ‘The Place of Worship’ – though before I was a member.
I’m puzzled about your last comment regarding posting under a different alias. I am registered under ‘brian quinn’ as well as my current alias ‘brianq’. The reason for having two is I registered under ‘brian quinn’ a long time ago and when I returned to these fora nearly a year had elapsed and I couldn’t remember my login details so I had to create a new alias. I haven’t contributed to this discussion before though under any alias? Maybe you could clarify what you mean? It’s not beyond the realms of possibility and I’ve forgotten – I can harldy remember what I did yesterday.
BQ
I am afraid that I have failed to notice any member registered under @Brian QUinn@ in the members- list.
August 14, 2006 at 12:10 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768320Praxiteles
ParticipantThis link to Rooney and McConville’s webpage makes for interesting reading:
August 13, 2006 at 11:01 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768319Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd this is what brought us to our Belfast friend’s opus:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/yourplaceandmine/down/rostrevor_monastery.shtml
August 13, 2006 at 10:50 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768318Praxiteles
ParticipantHere is our Belfast friend’s web page.
August 12, 2006 at 5:31 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768317Praxiteles
ParticipantI wonder is Rooney and McConville thinking that they might now try their hand to make a few bob wrecking the interior of Cobh Cathedral? If so, they should bear in mind all those paddies down there for whom thy appear to have such high regard!!!
August 12, 2006 at 5:24 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768316Praxiteles
ParticipantAm I to suppose that Brian Quinn of Rooney and McConville of Belfast is the same Brian Quinn who is a member of the Art and Architecture Committee of the Liturgical Commission of the Irish Bishops Conference; and the same BQ who posted some rather colourful material on this thread under another alias some time ago?
If so, then it is nice to know whom we are dealing with and shall be able to spedite things much mor snappily when dealing with him.
I would mention that BQ should be careful about making theological statements as he obviously knows next to nothing about professional theology which is a good deal more complex – as Sangallo has made clear to him.
I find it peculiar that someone who claims to be seriously engaged in modern church design should not have read Rudolf Schwarz -if not in the original at least in a French translation!
August 11, 2006 at 11:48 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768309Praxiteles
ParticipantIf anybody is lucky enough to be in or near Venice at this time, do not forget to stop off at Santa Maria Gloriosa dei Frari and take a look at Titian’s extraordinary altar piece.
Titian worked on this huge altarpiece for more than two years from 1516 to 1518. It has to be seen as a milestone in his career establishing him as a more universal artist drawing inspiration from outside the confines of Venice. Indeed the powerful figures of the Apostles reflect the influence of Michelangelo, whereas the painting demonstrates clear iconographical similarities with the works of Raphael (cf. his Ascension). Above all, what emerges most strongly in the assumption is Titian’s desire to break definitely with the traditions of Venetian painting in order to arrive at a synthesis of dramatic force and dynamic tension which will become from this moment on the most obvious characteristic of his work.
The picture is composed of three orders. At the bottom are the Apostles (humanity), amazed and stunned by the wondreous happening. St Peter is kneeling with his hand on his breast, St Thomas is pointing at the Virgin, and St Andrew in a red cloak is stretching forward. In the middle, the madonna, slight and bathed in light, is surrounded by a host of angels that accompany her. Above is God the Father, serene and noble in majesty, calling the Virgin to him with a look of love.
The painting is signed as “Ticianus” low down in the middle of the picture.
August 10, 2006 at 3:36 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768308Praxiteles
ParticipantBishop McGhee mentioned article 44.2.5 recently in a public letter. I wonder did he read article 44.2.6?
5° Every religious denomination shall have the right to manage its own affairs, own, acquire and administer property, movable and immovable, and maintain institutions for religious or charitable purposes.
6° The property of any religious denomination or any educational institution shall not be diverted save for necessary works of public utility and on payment of compensation.August 10, 2006 at 3:20 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768307Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd yet another contribution from the Irish Times
August 10, 2006 at 3:14 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768306Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd another little item from the Cork Examiner
August 10, 2006 at 3:08 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768305Praxiteles
ParticipantThis little item appeared recently in Cork’s Evening Echo:
August 9, 2006 at 11:02 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768304Praxiteles
ParticipantAn interesting point.
August 8, 2006 at 1:42 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768302Praxiteles
ParticipantBy a complete chance, I happened on this firm of architects who spesialize in “reorderings”. It operates out of Belfast but seems to have operations’ field extending at least as far as Co. Louth. I think it may deserve a closer inspection and examination of liturgical and conservationist outlook.
The following description of the practise is certainly arresting: “
Rooney & McConville do not have a ‘house style’ as such. This is deliberate as we employ a collaborative style of working, developing the architecture in response to the need of the Christian community we are serving. Our work is specific to each circumstance, to each site and to each religious community. Consequently, every project has a unique set of circumstances,………. and a unique outcome”.Unique outcomes…hmmmm?
Here is the link: http://www.rooney-mcconville.com/whoweare.aspx
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ParticipantHi Brian
Sorry about the oversight. I would gladly have posted the link had I been aware of it.
Were the architects formally not Rooney and McConville?
Salut !!!
August 4, 2006 at 5:08 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768300Praxiteles
ParticipantThe bishop of Cloyne is on about his constitutional rights having been infringed by ABP. This old chestnut was already dealt with on this thread a month ago but, it seems, both the good bishop and his advisers all seem to be in the slow-learners class and, at this point, face demotion to ultra remedial level as they do not seem able to get the poit at all. It was Brian McCutcheon of McCutcheon and Mulcahy planning consultants who dreamt up this scare tactic in an attempted rebuttal of the FOSCC objection made to ABP. Brian’s musings are available in his November 2005 submission to ABP.
Despite having expressed “concern” the Irish Cathoplic Bishops clearly did not place any great confidence in whatever they were told by bishop McGhee and, sensibly, do not seem to have been wiulling to underwrite a quixotic outiong in the High Court. It really is time the good bishop got the message that he is really beginning to annoy people at this stage with his silly posturings.
August 3, 2006 at 10:34 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768299Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Cobh saga now appears to be focusing on the altar and on the distance between the altar and the nave. The spokesmman for the Trustees has been rabbiting on again about reducing the distance between the altar and the congregation. He believes that this is something “required” by Vatican II liturgy. Clearly, he does not eother know or realize that the source of this idea in modern church architecture has nothing to do with the lirurgical reforms of the Second Vatican Council and a great deal to do with application of universal space to church architecture by Ruudolf Schwarz who spend much of the 1950s busily redefining christian iconography and symbolism. While successful in his efforts, they ended in one significant problem: inaccessibility. there is no use in assigning geometrical shapes to specific theological propositions unless those assignations are generally known and accepted universally. Poor Schwarz ended with aprivate language talking mostly to himself. Both the Cloyne diocesan spokesman, bishop McGhee, Brian McCuteheon and the great Professor Cathal O’Neill would do well reading Schwarz’s Kirchenbau which will immediately source the idea of communal aka universal space in church interiors. If some philantrophist might be persuaded to put copies of this book in the christmas stokings of the above, they might just stop telling us (incorrectly) that Vatican II came up with this idea or that Vatican II canonized Schwarz’s ideas – which it most definitely did not.
August 1, 2006 at 4:06 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768298Praxiteles
ParticipantIt looks a though the poor beknighted bihsop overlooked the apparent contradiction between saying his property rights were infringed by the state and his surprise at not having been issued with directives on how he should liturgically reorder the sanctuary in Cobh by the planning authority aka the State. This is another example of the disorganised state of “reasoning” prevalent among those wishing to wreck the Cathedral.
July 31, 2006 at 5:04 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768294Praxiteles
ParticipantVery bad feeling registeded in Cobh on Saturday and Sunday with the reading of Bishop McGhee’s daft letter about constitutional infingement in the wake of ABP’s decision not to permit the wreckage of Cobh Cathedral. Several walked out of Masses as the bishop’s ponderous words were droned out over the congregation as inappropriately as a the harbour boon on a fine day.
The FOSCC has replied and made a right fool of the bishop’s claim by p[ointing out that Cobh Cathedral is not owned by any religious denomination but by a secular trust established in Irish law of which Mr. Tidy Towns (aka Tom Cavanagh) of Fermoy, Fr. Timmy Foughy and bishop McGhee are the trustees.
July 28, 2006 at 2:00 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768293Praxiteles
ParticipantAs was expected, the diligent Trustees of St. Colman’s Cathedral have decided not to pursue a judicial review of ABP recent decision refusing planning permission for the proposed wreckage of the interior of Cobh Cathedral. Another pastoral letter on the subject will be read at all Masses in the diocese of Cloyne over the week-end. Given the mendaciousness of the pastoral letter read last July, it will be interesting to see the gloss put on biting this particular bullet. Perhaps Tom Cavanagh of Fermoy will now devote even more of his time and attention to tidy towns, leave Cobh Cathedral alone, and air brush Cobh from his consciousness.
July 25, 2006 at 8:35 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768292Praxiteles
ParticipantAfter a long interval following on the disasters of the Bishop Casey era, it looks as though the diocese of Kerry is embarking on another round of church “re-orderings”. The chosen instrument for this endeavour seems to be Holly Park Studios, Newtownpark Avenue Blackrock, Dublin, an enterprise under the direction of a notable “liturgical” dilettante called Eamon Hedderman. It appears that he has a project in mind for Millstreet church – which apparently he does not know was built by Michael Augustine O’Riordan. It will be interesting to see what this produces. The renaissance of interest in “re-ordering” in Kerry diocese might well explain the interest of Bishop Bill Murphy in the Midleton Oral Hearing of ABP and his beyond-the-call-of-duty attendance at the proceedings on last Ash Wednesday when you would have expected that he might have had more importnat things to attend to in the ruins of Killarney Cathedral.
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