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- October 2, 2006 at 8:54 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768716
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Participant@Paul Clerkin wrote:
That church you thought was Monaghan, is actually in Hamilton, Ontario
http://www.raisethehammer.org/index.asp?id=306Well, that resolves that problem.
October 2, 2006 at 8:49 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768715Praxiteles
ParticipantIn Madrid!! I wonder if it were made by the company I am thinking of. If so, then we are in for a little embarrassment all round!!
October 2, 2006 at 5:55 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768710Praxiteles
Participant@Rhabanus wrote:
Praxiteles,
Is it not the case that the crucifix on this roodbeam is the same (now repainted) as that now hanging in the chancel of St Peter’s Belfast? [See attachment 3046. Are you trying to find the accompanying statues? Is it the same church (St Peter’s Belfast) or do you think that there has been a “transfer of church goods”?
No. The photograph with the Rood Beam had been given to me as a photograph of Monaghan Cathedral before the wreckage. I had my doubts about it and P. Clerkin -quite expert in Monaghan matters – gave a definitive assurance that it is not Monaghan. So we have to resume our search for a photograph of the interior of Managhan before the wreckage – if you are in the way of consulting sources in North America it might prove more successful that efforts throughout the British isles.
I do not know where the Crucifix in St. Peter’s Cathedral in Belfast came from as I believe that it did not originally have a Rood Beam.
October 2, 2006 at 4:57 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768706Praxiteles
ParticipantAttached is a book review from the Antiphon, vol 10. no. 1 [2006] containing a review of Thomas Koick’s book A Reform of the Reform? A Liturgical Debate: Reform or Return published by Ignatius Press in 2003. It gives a good idea of current mainstream liturgical debate and interest within the Cathoic Church. I am afraid that all is not as monolithically einverstanden as P. Jones would have us believe.
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Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
More from today’s olim Cork Examiner on the new terminal building at Cork Airport. I annot figure out why Academy St. is so obsessed with the subject:
I eventually got a trolley, which was an obvious cast-off from Aer Rianta at Dublin Airport as it bore a sticker to that effect.
I informed the Aer Rianta member of staff at the information desk about the delay in trying to get a trolley and her response was: “We have had four flights arriving at the same time.â€
Cork international what?
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ParticipantMore from today’s olim Cork Examiner on the new terminal building at Cork Airport. I annot figure out why Academy St. is so obsessed with the subject:
02 October 2006
Airport experience leaves a lot to be desired — and improved
I RECENTLY used the new terminal at Cork International airport and this is a brief summary of our experience. In isolation, most of the following would have been acceptable.
First, the departure display board indicated a specific check-in desk for our flight to Tenerife but the said desk displayed Nice as the destination. I went to the check-in person, enquired as to what destination she was checking in and she said Tenerife. I pointed out that the display over the counter indicated Nice and she said she would have it corrected.
The queue for this flight had extended to the bookshop and had split in two directions. A member of staff tried to form a single queue by asking people who was there first.
Passengers for other flights had to divert through the bookshop to get through the crowd. Things got so crowded that the shop assistant asked passengers to move away from the newspaper stand as his customers were unable to find it.
Then, at the food hall upstairs, only one till was open. Customers in the queue were complaining and one woman asked why there was only one till open when there were three staff waiting to make tea/coffee. The girl operating the till did not understand the question, as she did not speak English.
In addition, the design of the counter along which you slide the tray with food and drink ends about six feet before the till, to allow for a passageway for staff.
So you have to lift the tray, walk for about three feet, and replace it back on the counter again at the till. This is unacceptable for a newly designed terminal.
At the bar in departures, no ice was available for our drinks.
On our arrival back from holiday at the airport, there were insufficient trolleys for the number of passengers. I asked an airport staff member where I could get a trolley and I was told they were “being collected at the momentâ€.
I eventually got a trolley, which was an obvious cast-off from Aer Rianta at Dublin Airport as it bore a sticker to that effect.
I informed the Aer Rianta member of staff at the information desk about the delay in trying to get a trolley and her response was: “We have had four flights arriving at the same time.â€
As a member of our party was disabled (which would slow down the process of us getting settled into the car) I also enquired from the same information desk staff member whether a cashier was on duty at the exit (as the time between paying inside and paying at the exit may have exceeded the time allowed). I was told there was.
We proceeded to the exit to find there was no cashier and nor was there a response from the assistance call bell. A queue of cars had formed behind us at this stage as only one of the two exits was in use.
I had to phone Cork Airport from my mobile to get assistance. When the car-park attendant arrived, he said one of our party would have to return to the multi-storey car park with him to pay the fee.
During our walk back, in the rain (almost one full hour after we had landed), he told me only 400 trolleys were available for the whole airport and that “our hearts are broken from people complainingâ€.
Can anyone clarify whether Cork Airport really is an international one?
Adrian Moloney
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Co GalwayOctober 1, 2006 at 5:52 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768698Praxiteles
ParticipantAn this link may well tell us where some of the material dumped out of MOnaghan Cathedral may be located:
October 1, 2006 at 5:30 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768697Praxiteles
ParticipantCan anyone confirm that this is a view of Monaghan Cathedral before the drastic destruction wrought by Joe Duffy?
October 1, 2006 at 12:32 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768695Praxiteles
ParticipantMore guff from Paddy Jones, the Director of the Pastoral Liturgical Institute in the October number of Intercom. We will shortly have to start a guffers corner!
Perhaps Rhabanus would like to walk us over this particular one.
October 1, 2006 at 2:38 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768685Praxiteles
ParticipantSorry for the confusion Luzarches!
Below is a photograph of the state of St. Peter’s in Belfast after the boot-boy’s outing:
October 1, 2006 at 2:18 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768684Praxiteles
ParticipantYes Luzarches!
see posting 1466. Hopefully some more recent one may emerge.
October 1, 2006 at 2:04 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768682Praxiteles
Participant@Fearg wrote:
and the architect responsible for Cahal Daly’s intervention was a Laurence McConville (I guess from Rooney and McConville) under the direction of Ray Carroll.
Well, well…a really awful concatination of the very very worst offenders as far as Irish churches are concerned. Strange that this should cause one to think of Chateaubriand’s famous description of what came out of an audience of Louis XVIII: … “Tallyrand appuy
October 1, 2006 at 1:46 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768680Praxiteles
ParticipantI think the architect here was Jeremiah MacAuley who built St. Peter’s around 1860. The first noticeable feature of the 1900 picture is the focal point of the building which is the High Altar in general, and probably the tabernacle in particular. The re-reordered result cannot escape a great void in the apse of the church which is not filled by the trinity of chairs.
Striking again is the anachronistic intrusion of a basilical arrangement on a gothic structure. Even more odd is the high elevation of the cathedra – gauchely covered in red (as far as I know, Down and Connor never had a bishop Cardinal) and, as at Armagh, the placing of the altar on the floor without elevation -except taht the problem is more accentuated here because the sanctuary is not as large as Armagh.
While the Altar, is size, is better than Armagh, it looks abandoned there on the floor and is rendered impractical for the ceremonies of benedictuion. Fetching are those floor lights – for what purpose I know not and cannot begin to imagine. Ultimately, they are a distraction.
Again, as with Armagh, it has to be said that it is better than the enormous megalomaniac mess made of St. Peter’s by Cathal Daly’s destructive boot-boy penchant – do not forget, that is is responsible for the mess in Longford. But this kind of comparison is hardly reason for self-congratulation when you realize the difference that a little historical investigation would have made in Armagh.
That ambo is just simply AWFUL!
October 1, 2006 at 1:17 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768678Praxiteles
ParticipantAh, so that explains the conversational posture of the three chairs. The idea of thrones for Auxiliary bishops is complettely off the wall.
September 30, 2006 at 11:05 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768676Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd, here we have a closer look at the Baptismal Font, placed awkwardly before the main door, calculate to impede ingression and egression of every procession. The floor lighting before the main features is also not very very inspiring of any great confidence.
September 30, 2006 at 9:25 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768675Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here is another snap of the ambo – it looks somewhat American bald eagle:
September 30, 2006 at 9:04 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768674Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here is another snap of the re-reordered St. Peter’s Cathedral in Belfast
September 30, 2006 at 8:09 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768673Praxiteles
ParticipantRhabanus!
As we are on the subject of St. Peter’s in Belfast, perhaps you might like to comment liturgically on this arrangement of things there?
September 30, 2006 at 5:46 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768670Praxiteles
Participant@goldiefish wrote:
I still don’t see what all the fuss is about St Colmans Cathedral. Its not as if they are knocking the spire and replacing the roof tiles with red slate. Much of this “protest” is merely a means of venting dislike of Bishop Magee.
You could be putting ideas into some people’s heads, here.
September 30, 2006 at 3:33 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #768667Praxiteles
ParticipantRhabanus,
This is the effort made at re-reordering St. Peter’s Cathedral, Belfast.
I am not sure who the architect was but I am inclined to suspect Brian Quinnof Rooney and McConville -currently advertising themselves in the clerical directory of the diocese of Down and Connor as “liturgical consultants” – but those glossy tiles tell a tale.
Here is a rather novel ecclesiastical eccentricity: a tabernacle door equippe with spy-hole to facilitate “perpetual adoration” -though, I do know what is done when persons are present who are not intent on adoration, for the bishop of Down and Connor must surely realize that perpetual adoration is the same thing as having the Sacred Species exposed to the scoffing multitude 24/7.
The lack of proportion in the tabernacle and plinth is most striking and reminds one of the pathetic effort of re-assembling lego done by Prof. Cathal O’Neill in the Pro-Cathedral after he wrecked that building. Also, the lack of any connection between this tabernacle and an altar is telling of the theologically unacceptable disjoining of Eucharistic Adoration from the Mass.
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