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@Fearg wrote:
First thing they need to do is clear away all the junk they have propped against the windows in the chamber above the baptistry – gives a very untidy first impression. I also saw the dust Sam speaks of, when I was there in October.
You can just about see some of the junk I’m talking about in the following photo, look at the window to left of shot.
[ATTACH]3601[/ATTACH]I wondr if the “junk” in here might not be the pine beams used to divide the side aisles from the nave? These were removed during the so called “restoration” when a new floor was laid buit they have never returned. Their disappearance was another one of the “knock on” effects of the Professor Cathal O’Neill’s lunacy for the interior of the building and was supposed to help create a square-looking “space” in the narrrow rectangular form of the building. Why has Cobh Urban District Council not insisted on their re-installation and on the re-installation of the brass light fittings that were attached to them?
Could this be coming from a water ingress that is after hitting the bath-stone? In that case, it is not coming fro the ceiling but from the walls or from the vaults of the side-aisles arcades. If this is now drying out, what does it mean for the fabric that has been affected?
Sam!
I am glad you raise th question of maintenance in Cobh Catedral. I cannot get over how the place has degenerated in the last couple of years into a complete kip. No one would ever imagine that millions have been spent on a restoration. Rubbish is scattered all over the building and a general untidyness is more than evident throughout. Basic repiars have been done and an overall neglect is evident – despite all the guff coming for the Trustees about the wonderful heritage building they are responsible for. I do not know whetehr others have noticed this?
And more from the quondam Cork Examiner:
01 December 2006
Landing options
WHEN flying into Cork airport a few times recently, my flight was diverted to either Shannon or Kerry airports. Flying into Cork, especially at this time of year, you never know whether or not you can land. I suggest:
1. Obtain planning permission for a new town and convert the present buildings to apartments.
2. Turn it into a Formula 1 racetrack
3. Create an ultra-modern racecourse to rival the Curragh.
The monies generated could be used to build an airport where planes can land.
Charlie McCarthy
Bridge Street
Skibbereen
Co CorkFriom the quondam Cork Examiner of 1 December 2006
01 December 2006Ryanair spells trouble for airport income
SO Ryanair wants to use the old terminal at Cork airport and open 17 new routes. Exciting times. A million extra passengers per year.
But what will be the cost to Cork airport? Check with Shannon.
They lost five or six airlines with the arrival of Ryanair which is only paying 50c a passenger when the others were paying full rates of €9.
Gone are Hapag, Lloyd Express, Thomsonfly, FlyBe, British Airways and Eirjet, as well as Easyjet.
Ryanair drove Go Airlines and Easyjet out of Ireland.
When Easyjet left Cork airport, Ryanair reduced their flights by one a day to Stansted and Gatwick. Now Ryanair have Aer Arann out of Cork in their sights and, as Michael O’Leary says, “Aer Lingus are nextâ€.
Shannon airport has an extra one million passengers, but at a cost of over €10 million in lost revenue.
Ryanair admits it cannot get the yield it wants in Shannon, so God help them when Ryanair cuts back and the others are gone.
Evan White
4 Victoria Villas
Western Road
CorkThanks Luzarches for the tip re this book. It looks very interesting and well worth a read. This is one for St Nicholas…..
@Praxiteles wrote:
St. Mary’s Cathedral, Kilkenny, designed by WIlliam Deane Butler, was begun in 1843 and completed in 1857. Its neo-Gothic style is heavily Norman in inspiration and can be easily compared with St. Jean de Malte in Aix-en-Provence, St-Maximin-la-Sainte-Baume in Provence or indeed with many of the pure creations of the Norman displacement in central and southern Italy – such as the abbatial church at Fossanova in Latium, Sant’Eligio in Naples, and San Lorenzo Maggiore in Naples. The decoration of the interior of Kilkenny’s St. Mary’s is by Earley and Powell and was brought to completion in 1865. This firm was responsible for the ceiling painting of the chancel, the glass, the high altar fittings and lightings. The mosaic work is by Bourke of London and the chancel murals by Westlake. In the 1970s, the socially minded Bishop Birch instigated, in the diocese of Ossory, an iconoclasm worthy of the emperor Leo III, a martial pesant from the mountains of Isouria whose hatred of images was largely inspired by an incomparable ignorance of both sacred and profane letters. Kilkenny cathedral, fortunately, escaped the worst ravages and retains its (albeit redundant) High Altar which was purchased in Italy. The altar rails (alas no more) and the altar of the Sacred Heart were the work of James Pearce. A diminuitive and out of scale altar was placad under the crossing and a new cathedra -redolent of Star trek – installed. The contour of this impianto is remarkably similar to the one now proposed for Cobh cathedral. Perhaps the greatest thing that can be said for this “reordering” is that it can (and will) eventually be removed leaving the building more or less as concieved by none too mean an architect.
So far, nobody wishes to claim responsibility for the effort.
Here is an earlier posting re- St. Mary’s Cathedral, Kilkenny
It does make for sorrowful reading what you have to say about our built heritage but it is unfortunately true. We seem to have been at the receiving end of barbarism since the first Vikings showed up off of our coasts. Their modern counterparts are the ideologised liturgists currently bent on wrecking the last vestiges of the 19th. corpus of churches – all not unconnected with what is termed (in “polite” circles) as the de-Cullenization of the Irish Church where Cullenization is understood as the fruits of Paul Cullen’s efforts to restore normality to the Catholic Church in Ireland after its emergence from the catacombs. The substitute is often a famciful “retour” to a “celtic” church and spirituality that are as historically credible as Fianna.
For much of the 1980s and 1990s there was a period of respite in the devastation of Irish churches. This was imposed by lack of funds. Unfortunately, one downside fot he Celtic Tigre has been the abundance of funds available for “renovations” and “restorations” in practically every church in the country. The most outrageous effort was the attempt to vandalize Cobh Cathedral but no village church is safe in ireland. As for the heritage authorities, well, we can see just how “reliable” they were in case of Cobh Urban District Council – a bit like Diarmiad MacMurrough and Strongbow.
@Pug wrote:
any particular reason we were treated to planning decisions mostly from dublin?
There were some Cork cases in the list but the as the Irish Toimes was bloody minded enough to want a subscription to open it, there was no option but to cut and paste – perhaps one could have done a bit more cutting but was in a hurry.
From to-day’s Irish Times
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/property/2006/1130/1164693728637.html
Planning & Development
Compiled by Mary HetheringtonA selective guide to developments in your area
AN BORD PLEAN
@samuel j wrote:
Very true….
Indeed…
And were anyone to have a spare moment they might like to try this:
http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginaldus_Foster
or this
@phatman wrote:
Not to be too pedantic, but wouldn’t being European Capital of Culture constitute being a capital of culture?
And even though the organisational skills of the committee left a bit to be desired, the place really is steeped in culture and fully deserved the acolade.I am not inclined to think so. A capital of European culture is something that is not “conferred” by anyone on any place.
It is a cultural achievement of a civilisation which has organically come about – as, for instance, Urbino is. At best, that achievement is merely recognised but not conferred. Joe Gavin has not yet produced anything to rival Guidobaldo da Montefeltro’s patronage of Castiglione while writing his Cortegiano – and I doubt very much that he ever will.
The disastrous farce that went on in Cork in 2005 -with its commercial approach to “culture” while the vandalisation of one of the principal monuments in the country went unnoticed by the junta – reminds one of something from Black Mischief and that chaos emblematic of social collapse post in colonial Africa.
On the subject of Latin, I am afraid its decline in the present degenerate state of the Church in Ireland is plane and evident for every one to see in the recent habit of doing inscriptions in demotic English. Even the bIblical texts so inscribed are taken from the lowest grade Englist texts that certainly are rather distant from the sense of the Sacra Pagina.
On the other hand, just to show that not all is goom in the garden, try this treat:
@phatman wrote:
Yes it was. In 2005.
In 2005 Cork was European capital of “culture” – which is not the same thing as saying that it was a capital of culture!
Apart from two notable exhibitions on James Barry and Cork Silver, the European Capital of Culture farce is a gross fireworks embarrasment best fogotten about!!
@Rhabanus wrote:
Excellent idea! Wheelock wrote his Latin Grammar for American GIs returning to studies after action in WW2, hence a Latin grammar designed for adult learners rather than for high-school-age boys. Wheelock’s daughters assisted him in the compilation of his text.
Richard LaFleur of the University of Georgia took the fourth edition in hand to produce the fifth, and then the sixth edition. He added a number of silly jokes supposedly to lighten the tone of the text and to raise the spirits of his students.
It’s not a bad start. It takes a distinctly grammatical approach to the language. It is VASTLY superior to O’Collins’ A Primer of Ecclesiastical Latin, a product of defective pedagogy.
Real lovers of Latin grammar will be sure to secure their own copy of “Bradley’s Arnold” or Latin Composition by the famous Dr Arnold and revised by Bradley, one of his former students.
And what about poor Gildersleeve’s Latin Grammar to say nothing of Longman’s – over which we all toiled!
@kite wrote:
🙂 Lidi’s plans to locate in Churchfield remained intact as the City Manager facing yet another defeat on the matter last night promised to use a Part 8 Planning on other parts of the site to prevent piecemeal development.
The Councillors who opposed Lidl for the RIGHT reasons (piecemeal development) in the face of huge local support for the supermarket at any cost need to be applauded, i.e Cllrs. McCarthy, Burke, O’Brien.
I must admit, I would have been in favour of allowing Lidl in as a stand alone venture, but fair dues to the above mentioned people for holding on for an ideal outcome. 😎p.s. I can feel another few compulsory purchase orders coming on to rid the area of low value industry in the area.
Wonder if Cork were the Capital of Culture next year would the list of “sponsors†remain the same as 2005 after last night’s vote?Cork, my dear Kite, was never a capital of culture!
@d_d_dallas wrote:
quote: “Herr Joe Gavin’s ambition for city domination must have received a serious setback (as did his performance related pay bonus, i.e. development levies & extracting the proposed 2 euro bin tag levy from the poorest of our city’s population…”
Ever considered writing for the Daily Mail?!?
Seriously though, it’s possible to call the Emperor naked without descending to hysteria (or gloating on his or anyone’s annual bonus).
No, no…I would not be gloating over any part of a naked Emperor….
@Rhabanus wrote:
Plenty of prelates are still licking and relishing their lollypops all over the world, Prax]Ascende superius![/I] And the beat goes on….
Check your Annuario Pontificio carefully. When the civil authorities intervene, usually to call a halt to criminal activity, then corrective action ensues (grudgingly for the most part). Otherwise, “It’s business as usual.” Recipe: Push the envelope always, and when confronted with Church documents, canon law, even pointed remarks from the Supreme Pontiff himself, claim exemption (in true Gallican fashion) from “Roman documents” (ie magisterial teaching), and wait for the lollypop. It always comes to the defiant. Name your flavour, baby!!
I’d love to see the minutes from this year’s ad limina visits! Must I live another 75 years before reading them in the archives? Or ar they tossed into the shredder after five years?
Yes, by the looks of things and the Franciscans who compiled the Annals of the Four Masters lie buried in the cloister in graves whose markers were desecrated by Napoleone! Such is Irish “culture”!!
