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@james1852 wrote:
Hi, I have followed your discussions with great interest over the last few months and I totally agree that all the distruction of these beautiful church buildings has to stop. No one has seen these drastic changes more than our own firm. We are the oldest decorating firm in the country specialising in ecclesiastical decoration,est. 1852.We have a large archive of architectural drawings, photographs and stencil designs of churches throughout the whole country.Most of our work nowadays is restoring the stencilwork that had been whitewashed over following vatican 2We worked recently in St.Colmans and Rushbrooke restoring the crib figures and painted statues.We are finding that there is a trend going back to old style decoration again.
Hello James 1852!
I for one would most certainly like to see your archive of drawings and stencil patterns. Can that be arranged? Also, was it only the crib figures you were restoring in Cobh? As far as I can seen not a brass penny has been spent on decorating anything in Cobh Cathedral for quite some time. The cow-hands running the place do not want to spend the money. What they are doing with it I cannot imagine – it was collected on charitable pretence and I should assume that according to the terms of the charity act at least a certain proportion of everything collected each year should have been disbursed. But this has not been the case with the St. Colman’s Cathedral Trust Inc.!
@samuel j wrote:
Now theres a sensible idea as put so well by Prax “An Architectural Survey of the interior of St. Colman’s Cathedral – now there is an intelligent suggestion”
Thank you PVC King for your insight.
It would also be useful to compile a photographic archive of the interior and exterior of the building. Amazingly, there is no archive attached to the Cathedral – another consequence of not having an institutional provision for the maintenance of the building!
An Architectural Survey of the interior of St. Colman’s Cathedral – now there is an intelligent suggestion.
So far, Cobh Urban District Council has not commissioned such a survey and has no clue whatsoever of what is contained in the interior of Cobh Cathedral – and all this a good 7 years after the coming into force of the local government act. Why has nobody thought of that so far?
And ditto:
23 February 2007
Look to Dublin for source of debt crisis
YOUR editorial on the Government’s somersault on Cork Airport funding was very much to the point, but did not go far enough (Irish Examiner, February 21).
It should be noted that the budgeted cost of the airport project was €120 million and that the (mis)management of the project was down to the then Aer Rianta and, now, the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) — leading to a cost over-run of €100m that the Government now wishes to recover from the Cork travelling public.
Apart from the unequivocal undertakings by Seamus Brennan, supported subsequently in writing by the Taoiseach, responsibility for the total debt of €220m should rest squarely with the responsible agency — the DAA.
The suggestion that the land bank near the airport should be ‘thrown in’ to help fund the €100m being foisted on Cork airport management is cynical in the extreme. This land is an integral part of the airport and should not be used as a political football. Is it any wonder that many people are cynical about our political process and do not vote?
Maybe that is why the Government has the gall to spring this one on us in the run-up to a general election. Perhaps it’s time we give our response in the polling stations.
Patrick Ronayne
‘Drake’s View’
Crosshaven
Co Cork.
And ditto:
23 February 2007
Leave the car at home, but where’s the bus?
RECENTLY I decided to use the bus to get home from work. According to the Bus Éireann timetable, a number-two bus was to leave at 7pm.
I was at the stop in advance of the departure time in case it came early.
But the bus never came and neither did the next due at 7.15. At 7.30, I was so frustrated I gave up and walked home.
It is difficult to see more people being persuaded to leave their cars at home when the alternative is to be left standing on a cold street.
Niall Twamley
24 Hillcrest Rise
Blarney Road
Cork.
From this morning’s quondam Cork Examiner:
23 February 2007
Airport the victim of policy u-turn
THE news that Cork Airport Authority (CAA) is to be saddled with a €100 million debt in exchange for freedom from control by the Dublin Airport Authority (Irish Examiner, February 20) flies in the face of the Government’s own plans for regional development.
In his statement establishing the three independent airport authorities — Shannon, Dublin and Cork — former Transport Minister Seamus Brennan clearly stated that the debt-free start would lead to the independent airports being able to “compete with each other and vigorously pursue new business free from central controlâ€.
Are we to take it now that the Government does not want this?
Does it not want three competing airports, but one main airport and two smaller versions too crippled with debt to compete on equal terms?
If it is the case that the debt is to be divided in this way, then shouldn’t CAA request its share of revenue from the sale of the Great Southern hotels and other former Aer Rianta assets?
Shouldn’t the assets, as well as the debt, be shared by the new authorities?
Senator John Minihan has been very vocal in his opposition to imposing this debt on Cork, but it has to be remembered there are two senior PD ministers in the cabinet that took this decision.
No doubt the PDs and Fianna Fáil candidates in Cork will feel the backlash come the summer election.
Eoin Lettice
3 Nicholas Court
Travers Street
Cork.
@samuel j wrote:
Source Great Island Community News – 22 Feb 2007
Letter from Mayor of Cobh
Planning decisions are an executive function exercised by the Town Manager (who is based in the County Hall) assisted by her staff.
Noirin Doyle, Mayor of Cobh“That is truly an extraordinary statement for any elected public representative to make and displays a very tenuous hold on the prinicples of democratic government!! Mayor Doyle says “planning decisions are an executive function carried out by the Town Manager. The united States Government provides the following definition of executive power
” Leaders of democratic governments govern with the consent of their citizens. Such leaders are powerful not because they command armies or economic wealth, but because they respect the limits placed on them by the electorate in a free and fair election.
Through free elections, citizens of a democracy confer powers upon their leaders that are defined by law. In a constitutional democracy, power is divided so that the legislature makes the laws, the executive authority enforces and carries them out, and the judiciary operates independently”.
To apply these few rudimentary principles to Cobh Urban District Council, surely we have to say, that at least in theory the Council (i.e. the elected members) are the legislative authority in local planning matters]executed[/B] are carried out and enforced by the merry bunch of over-holidayed officials in the Town Hall? Has she not seen a grant of planning permission in Cobh which is issued not by the Manageress but by the Urban District Council?
In saying that planning decisions are an executive function of the Manager in which the beknighted Urban District Council has no involvelemnt whatsoever is she saying the electorate of the Cobh Urban District are wasting their time voting for herself because she has nothing to do with planning and they, through her, can have no democratic say on what happens in the place. That, to my ears, is beginning to sound a bit bolshie!
Furthermore, it seems extraordinary that Mayor Doyle does not seem to recall section 140 (I think) of the local government act which confers powers on a local authority to direct the refusal of a grant of permission for a specific project. Perhaps she has forgotten that she was approached in this matter by representatives of the FOSCC in July 2005 to have a motion placed before Cobh Urban District Council to direct the the Manageress to deny planning permission for the wholesale wreckage of the interior of St. Colman’s Cathedral? Please, Mayor Doyle, do not be hiding behind wet paper – I have a feeling that the population of Cobh and Cloyne diocese diocese are just waiting for the opportunity to go to the next ballot boxes to deal with all those who collaborated in the plan to wreck Cobh Cathedral and they are not going to spare the Tadhgh a dha thaoibh that is the Labour party in Cobh and East Cork as already has been pointed out. Vae victis, vae victis!!
The influence is English and early French revivalist and I would be inclined to say tha Cheadle and St. Nicolas in Nantes could well be good places to start.
St. Augustine’s, Galway City
Here we have some pictures of the devastation done by Richard Hurley and Associates in the Augustinian Church in Galway. I just could not begin to point out the liturgical inadequacy of this piece of nonsense but suffice it to say thta moving the altar rail to the back dor is in itself a theological statement of the dubious calibre; the squat altar dumped on the floor without a predella etc. etc. If have the suspicion that our cromwellian friend Will Dowsing could not have done a better job here – short of demolishing the High Altar.
@bosco wrote:
Fair point, although you’ll see I said they doubled capacity not services. They had 2 aircraft in Cork, now there are 4, serving (…2 minutes til I check wikipedia…) Alicante, Amsterdam, Barcelona, Berlin-Schö], Nice [Starts March 2007], Paris-Charles de Gaulle, Prague, Rome-Fiumicino, Tenerife-South, Warsaw. Not every route is a daily flight, but it’s better than just London, Paris & Amsterdam!
The Nice and Rome routes were intitiated by the ill-fated Jetmagic – which did a great job in demonstrating that there was business potential for continental routes out of Cork. It was a pity it failed (largely, I think because they launhced during low season and never did much advertising at their destination locations) and the benefits of their initiatie gone to Aer Lingus. They also had a service to Milan. Remember, that up to very recently, if you wanted to fly Aer Lingus from Cork to any continental destination other than Amsterdam and Paris meant that you had to get up at 3 a.m (sic) in order to get their connecting flight to Dublin where comfortable schedule times allowed their Dublin customers roll into Dublin airport at 8 and 9 a.m.. Otherwise, you had to stay overnight in Dublin. Aer Lingus’ comittment to Cork Airport somehow leaves me cold – very cold!
I do not want to labour the point but it seems to me that “services” and “capacity” are not completely disjointed concepts!
bosco wrote:I had that written before I saw your post, Pug, but it’s still relevant. Much as I’d love to see any airline offer a load of new routes from Cork, I doubt it would be Ryanair, and it certainly won’t be using the old terminal.However, you mention ‘opening up Europe’ — well in the past 2 or three years Aer Lingus have doubled their capacity out of Cork and have started a load of new routes to new destinations — where they use airports acually located where you want to go ]
It was not difficult for Aer Lingus to double their services to the continent as they only had two routes from Cork: to Paris and Amsterdam. And, if you wish to avail of the services to “main” airports then in the case of Leonardo da Vinci, it operates only twice a week at present – and it should not be forgotten that Ciampino is much more efficient to clear and closer to downtown Rome!
Holy Trinity, Cork City.
Holy Trinity was built in 1825 by Fr. Matthew, the temperance apostle, and designed by George Pain. Building was subsequently continued by William Atkins. The portico, designed by Pain, was only built in 1889 by Dominic Coakley. The interior was completed by George Ashlin 1906-1908 but completely gutted in the 1980s.
Vote machine could be about to take on an all together new meaning!!
St. Nicholas of Myra, Francis Street, Dublin by John Leeson 1829-1834
The title of this Church, St Nicholas of Myra, as well as that of nearby St. Catherine’s in Meath Street, indicate the Norman origin of this parish since both saints were popular among the Normans who came into contact with their cult in the Sout of Italy. The other popular Norman titulus was St. Michael the Archangel which also derives from their contact with the Monte Gargano in Southern Italy.
@LeoWong wrote:
We don’t consider it fighting. The parish is “in dialogue” with the diocese.
That is certainly a big difference from the situation in Cobh where we have had umpteen examples of the dialogue of the deaf with those surrounding bishop Magee. They truly are the most incorrigible lot this side of Peking!
From today’s quondam Cork Examiner:
Cork Airport told to pay €100m of debt
By Eoin English, Seán O’Riordan and Stephen Rogers
THE Government has told Cork Airport it wants it to pay €100 million towards the cost of its new airport terminal.However, the Cork Airport Authority Board yesterday ordered that a letter be sent to the Taoiseach telling him his Government will not break its promises by forcing it to take on the potentially crippling debt.
Chairman of the Cork Airport Authority, Joe Gantly, yesterday told the board that of the €220m debt it had amassed with the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA), the Government wants it to pay €100m.
The DAA will absorb the rest.
The decision to saddle Cork with the debt follows several meetings between Mr Gantly, the Taoiseach, and Enterprise Minister Micheál Martin in recent weeks.
By imposing that decision, the Government has done a U-turn on the commitment given in 2003 by then Transport Minister Séamus Brennan that each of the State’s airport’s would have debt-free status once they began independent operations.
Yesterday, Mr Gantly was told by the board to write to the Taoiseach saying it rejected the proposal. The board was appointed on the basis that the airport would start free after Aer Rianta was broken up.
It is understood that airport management is working on a business plan that would incorporate the €100m debt. The plan will be brought before the board in the coming weeks. The Government wants the issue resolved before the election.
The €220m total Cork Airport owes Dublin Airport is made up of €180m for its new terminal building and €40m of older debt.
Neither Dublin Airport Authority, nor Cork Airport Authority were willing to comment on the contents of proposals.
Mr Martin’s office said as far as he was concerned the matter was still being discussed by the two boards.
Fine Gael TD Jim O’Keeffe said it was devastating news that the airport was going to be forced to pay €100m of its debt.
His party colleague Simon Coveney described the move as “the most blatant breach of a political promise in Cork during the lifetime of this Governmentâ€.
When Aer Rianta was split up and Cork, Shannon and Dublin Airports agreed to go it alone, the Government — in an effort to get the agreement of management at Cork Airport — gave an absolute assurance in writing, later confirmed by the Taoiseach in the Dáil and directly to the staff, that Cork Airport would not be saddled with the debt associated with the building of its new terminal.
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