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@Fearg wrote:
Kylemore.. Am I correct in thinking that this would originally have been a private Church of Ireland Chapel? I was there a couple of years ago and I do not remember those current fittings, although it did give off the impression that all the restoration funding went on the fabric, with nothing significant spent on the liturgical side. It is a little gem though!
Quite correct Ferg! Here is the blurb from the Kylomore webpage re the chapel: “Mitchell Henry built the Gothic Church between 1877 and 1881 as a memorial to his wife, following her untimely death. The Church is a ‘]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Henry[/url]
The photographs below show the exterior and the full liturgical gothic-horrow that is the interior:
@ake wrote:
AGGHHHHHHHHH! Surely this out of the way little chapel should have escaped their attentions! The bastards.
No such luck. And the chapel was restored from near collapse by very substantial grants from the Heritage Council -a body that I have come to the conclusion is worse than useless, and never liufted a finger to do anything to protect Cobh Cathedral from wreckage and REFUSED to fund a heritage impact study which nobody though of doing. The present Heritage Coucnil seems to be comprised of nothing but has-been-county-councillors and ministerial grey-hound-walkers. Just abolish it, and save the tax-payers a few shillings.
Here we have a view of the interior of the cothic chapel at Kylemore Abbey andnwhat has happened to its interior:
And here are some shots of the ciling frescos in the chancel and of the exterior of Clare Island Abbey:
And here we have a view of the chancel and part of the nave of the small Cistercian foundation on Clare Island in Clew Bay which contains what is believed to be the burial place of the Grainne Uaile, the Pirate Queen of Connaught, who died in 1603.
@THE_Chris wrote:
Reading those paragraphs, it seems to me that the entire law can be taken by both parties. The “For” crowd can read it and say they are perfectly in their rights to do it, and the “Against” crowd can read it and say that they have no right to do it. The law is wishy-washy in its makeup.
Especially 08, where the “For” crowd claimed they were respecting the Cathedral architecture, and the “Against” crowd saying they were not respecting it.
Both parties then go steaming into a battle, of the sort that has, regrettably, divided Cobh 🙁
It is important to note that these are Guidelines and in fact not specifically law as enacted in the Local Government Act of 2000.
It is true, however, that the Guidelines were deliberately drafted to accomodate conflicting positions and then leaving it to the appeals process to resolve any issues arising.
Responsible legislation from responsible legislators!!
Here are some shots of the interior of Holy Trinity in Adare, Co. Limerick.
Unfortunately, the plaster was inexplicably removed from some of the walls in the 70s(80s
ake wrote:Guidelines for Planning Authorities]Not since An Bord Pleannala’s decision in relation to Cobh Cathedral. One of the great things to emerge from the Midleton Oral Hearing was the concept of “liturgical law” which came as a great shock to many of the “liturgists” purporting to wreck Cobh Cathedral. These gents. failed to distinguished bewteen what the Church “requires” for the liturgy and the half baked ideas they picked up along the way that ultimately go back to the daft Pius Parsch of Klosterneuburg. Of course when they were making their depositions to the PA they failed to see the distinction and represented their own nonsense as a Church “requirement” when it was no such thing!
Some moe pictures of Holy Cross:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157600017663733/
Here is a beautiful study of the Sedilia (arranged according to the Roman Rite) in Holy Cross by Ake:
This picture givs an idea of the interior of Holy Cross. As you can see, in absolute conformity with the Edwardins Ordinals of 1547, the sanctuary has been abandoned and what looks like an enormous block of granite -not native to this part of Tipperary- has been dumped at the crossing. Sitting under the canopy of the Sedilia is an organ bench. Opposit the Sedilia was the shrine that held the relic of the Holy Cross from which the Abbey took its dedication. A dubious looking thing in iron was installed there to hold the relic but I cannot guarantee that it is still there.
While the general reatoration work in Holy Cross is quite good -although it caould be criticised in some respects e.g. the unplastered walls – the liturgical restoration of the Abbey Church was a total and unqualified disaster. The approach taken, apart from the usual vulgarism of the fittings, took no account whatsoever of the original liturgical disposition of the church and totally disregarded the few items that actually survived the wreckage of the reformation. Clearly, this church will have to be liturgically re-visited and the thrash dumped out. Of the few medieval Catholic churches still functioning, that at Adare in Co. Limerick is the only one that still has a fairly intact interior installed at the time of its restoration in the 19th century. It is obvious in this case that the architect knew what he was dooing and took great pains to preserve as much as possible of the original liturgical disposition of the building.
Here is a wonderful idea for the would-be restorers of Cobh Cathedral taken from Private Eye (16th March 2007) . Surprising that none of them came up with – given the fees demanded for its wreckage:
I think you are correct. A window from each province was chosen in the only effort ever made to raise the Basilica at Knock above the status of a rain shelter for large crowds.
I honestly could not tell you what it supposed to be. This is the problem with esoteric art. It is al very meaningful but that meaning is not immediately communicated and has to be explicitated.
I am inclined to think that Holy Cross is on a process that will soon see it looking rather like what it did when Bartlett did his engravings in the 1840s.
It is the rubbish and the tatter and the untidyness that is so awful in Holy Cross. I have only just noticed the two empty boxes dumped in front of the Chapel of the Blessed Sacrament.
My goodness, what is all this?
I have nothing against devotion to Our Lady of Perpetual Succour, but I would point out the inappropriatness of using clndelabra in this fashion since these are reserved for Benedictionof the Blessed Sacrament (and on a minor thing, I would point out that seven branched candelabra are supposed to be used when a bishop presides at benediction). Also, placing objects such as flower pots or vases directly onto the altar is not (and never was) liturgically permitted.
Do I notice pieces of the original plaster stilol on the walls?
