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@Rhabanus wrote:
Are pastors subject to any tests, such as jurisdictional examinations? Any term limits for the senile, the non- compos mentis, and the incompetent? Since only a rare few priests in Ireland have any background or upper-level education in sacred architecture, sacred art, and sacred music, should there not be strict limits imposed on just what a pastor can do to the church buildings entrusted to his care by the proper authority?
I do not know. But, I am inclined to think that the simple answer to that question must be no!
@PTB wrote:
I was talking about this with the da a while back when we entered an old house with a very low doorway. While I argued that this was because people were smaller in those years due to poorer nutrition, he argued that there was a door tax. Is this right?
And how did you tax a hearth? By its homeliness?
Not sure about door tax but there certainly was a window tax!
@PTB wrote:
I was talking about this with the da a while back when we entered an old house with a very low doorway. While I argued that this was because people were smaller in those years due to poorer nutrition, he argued that there was a door tax. Is this right?
And how did you tax a hearth? By its homeliness?
At the rate of 2/- a hearth. See this for some general info.
@ake wrote:
Agreed. It needs quite a bit of caretaking. The lamps are awful, and the sanctuary could do with a bit more stenciling maybe.
Indeed, I completely agree. There was a stencil scheme not only in the sanctuary area but throughout this church. It got paintd out in the late 50s or early 60s. After a period of consistent improvments, unfortunately, it was unlucky enough to have a succession of caretakers who entered into a reverse improvement mould. This last proposition for the church is, of course, beyond all.
@ake wrote:
Any interior shot?
This is the best I can do for the moment.
Here we have the sanctuary that is facing surreptious demolition.
And here we a have a vew of the roof trusses over the crossing.
Some brilliant photographs of St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157600332866093/
St. Joseph’s Church, Liscarroll, Co. Cork.
The latest we hear from the Cloyne HACK’s attempt to devastate the interior of this church is that 13 objections have been lodged with Cork County Council opposing the proposals to gut the interior and demolish the existing sacristy. Cork County Council wrote to the applicant on 24 May 2007 requesting further information – and well they might as it was not mentioned anywhere in the application that it was intended to demolish not only the altar rail but also the altar, the tabernacle and to erase the entire sanctuary platform – in true Will Dowsing fashion!
There were also a few hairy aspects to the application as lodged with Cork County Council. On a few headings, it should be possible to have the application declared invalid. We shall watch to see how that one works out.
Ever since Hugh O’Neill arrived in Rome and had the privilege of bearing the canopy at the Roman Corpus Christi procession, the Irish College possessed the privilege of carrting the canopy until they got too lazy in the 1980s and lost it by lapsation. Nothing like a sense of history!!
Rhabanus wrote:As far as petals are concerned, on Pentecost Sunday, red flower petals cascade from the oculus of the Pantheon in Rome to commemorate the descent of the Holy Spirit in tongues of fire upon Our Lady, the apostles, and the early disciples.On 5 August, the feast of the Dedication of the Basilica of St Mary Major, during the chanting of the Gloria, white flower petals are released from the dome of the Borghese chapel of the Liberian Basilica to commemorate the wondrous snowfall (nevicada) that took place on that day after the Council fo Ephesus (431). Pope Liberius and a wealthy nobleman by the name of John were directed to go to the Esquiline Hill where the snow had fallen. They measured the space occupied by the snow and subsequently built on that site a great basilica in honour of the Blessed Virgin Mary under the title Mother of God (a title used early in liturgical and devotional prayer, and confirmed by the Council of Ephesus). The church is called variously: St Mary Major (being bigger than the other great church of Our Lady built likewise in the fifth century but on the other side of the Tiber in Trastevere – chiefly a pilgrimage church)]
Here are those very ladies!
@Rhabanus wrote:
http://www.stgabesparish.ca/New_church/index.php
Take a look at the website of “St Gabe’s” church – pretty hip, no?New Church
A Roman Catholic “Passionist” Parish | 670 Sheppard Ave. E. | Toronto, ON | M2K 1B7 | (416) 221-8866 | office@stgabesparish.caLooks remarkably like an ESB show-room!
@Fearg wrote:
Notre-Dame-de-Croas-Batz in Roscoff, Brittany:
In super condition, fabric has recently been restored, but all the original fittings retained. Unfortunately, this is spoilt slightly by some of the usual clutter..
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Nice pictures, Ferg.
@Devin wrote:
Some bits were taken off the Essex Street side also (no current photo to hand) :
And from An Taisce magazine, ‘Living Heritage’, Autumn 1993:
the front now looks clipped and box like and lacks the harmony it formerly had. Can anyone supply and updated picture of the rear of the church?
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
largely gutted to provide a black box for a viking “experience”… now empty i believe, though there were suggestions that the IFI would take over it for extra cinemas
Thanks Paul for that information. I rather suspected that something like this had happened. Am I right in thinking that the facade has been clipped by the demolition of the two end bays?
@ake wrote:
Here’s the altar in the Dominican church in Waterford I was moaning about. There were alot more flowers the last time, and there’s alot more out of shot, almost all cheap plastic. More shots from that church here http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157600277832250/
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This is a very fine altar and a wonder that it has survived given what might have happened had Asutin Flannery been in this house. I am wonderng is it a 19th century construction or a 17th century piece imported into Waterford in the 19th century?
Very nice set of pictures Ake!
Some clue as to the whereabouts of these figures might be available in Ann Wilson’s book on St. Finn Barre’s Cathedral. It was published last year by Four Courts Press.
@ake wrote:
Very interesting rhabanus thanks. Alot of churches way over do it with the flowers- in Waterford, that church I mentioned before is particularly bad- with one of the side altars (an absolute beauty) totally bombarded with flowers in not very nice vases. The arrangement is unthoughtful, and does not recognise the architectural/artistic design- a flower is put wherever there is level surface. I didn’t want to photograph it like that and the only other option was to move all of those pots on to the ground momentarily- I gave up there were so many.
I agree with ake. The flower situation is completely out of hand and needs to be addressed. Unfortunately, we have moved from flowers as decorations for the principal feasts and festivals to a situation where the church has become an amphitheater for the local flower club. Not only are flowers supplied but also rags, banners, dross, junk, posters,etc.etc.etc.etc.etc. whicyh are subsequently discarded in the sacristy. Worst of all is when the local flower club gets “expressive” and we find all sorts of meaningless junk dumped in front of the altar in such a way that you cannot walk around it and you cannot approach it from the front. Where are the liturgists now?
Interestingly, the Jansenists hated flowers and the famous Jansenist Synod of Pistoia banned any flowers in a church. Now we have the opposite extreme. Time to bring out the machette.
Here is a most useful pictorial guid to churches in Cork:
To ask a question for a moment: this is a picture of Sts Michael and John’s on the quays in Dublin. It was the earliest Catholic church built in the revival gothic in Dublin. Some years ago, I believe Dublin diocese sold it off -rather stupidly since the inner city population has since risen- and I have no idea of what happened to it. Has anyone any ideas? It took almost a year to find a photograph of it and this one was taken c. 1965.
