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- December 5, 2007 at 8:58 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770860
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ParticipantPraxiteles has just finished reading U. M. Lang’s important study on the orientation of liturgical prayer entitled Turning Towards the Lord (Ignatius Press, San Francisco, 2004).
The first chapter of the book is an extremely lucid statement of the current liturgical law governing the disposition of churches -it would certainly help matters were the over educated persons on the Cloyne HACK to read it and contemplate it.
The book argues for the theological and liturgical necessity of recovering the common east-facing (actual or theoretical) of both priest and peolpe for the most important part of the Mass – the eucharistic prayer- if the liturgical renovation of the Second Vatican Council is ever to be recovered from the gun-slingers who highjacked it.
The attached extract is the conclusion of the book and, in its light, Praxiteles intends to revisit a numner of clearly ill informed and facetious comments made by Denis O’Callaghan when commenting on the FOSCC in his bucolics Hand to the Plough Veritas, Dublin 2007. From the remblings of this publication it is painfully evident that Denis O’Callaghan has not read a book on the subjject of liturgy for over 40 years!
December 4, 2007 at 10:13 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770857Praxiteles
ParticipantWhat has happened here is just pathetic and an act of remarkable vandalism.
December 4, 2007 at 9:28 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770855Praxiteles
ParticipantFethard on Sea really is in a terrrible mess.
December 3, 2007 at 10:55 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770850Praxiteles
ParticipantJUst take a look at this piece of nonsense by
Mr Fergus Costello, Cloughjordan, Co Tipperary.
I jest not: This is from wikipedia: “Fergus Costello is an internationally acclaimed liturgical artist and church designer. He is a leading authority on Church art in Ireland and is based out of Cloughjordan.”
December 3, 2007 at 10:29 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770849Praxiteles
ParticipantIs that that fellow Costelloe? You konw, the one who was up the Limpopo at some stage.
December 3, 2007 at 9:01 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770844Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here are the St. Colman’s Cathedral Restoration Fund directors as returmned the Companies Registration Office on 17 October 2007:
Parton: Bishop JOhn Magee
Chairman: Denis Murphy
Denis Reidy (Secretary)
John Bowen
Brian Carroll
V. Rev Gerard Casey
Ted Foley
V. Rev Canon Eamonn Goold
Fr. James Killeen
Rt Rev James O’Donnell
Rt. Rev Denis O’Callaghan
V. Rev Muichael Leamy
V. Rev Frank WalleyHon Treasurers: V. Rev Denis Reidy
V. Rev, Gerard Casey
Fr. James Killeen.There is room here too for a few resignations!
December 3, 2007 at 8:51 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770843Praxiteles
ParticipantHere are the present directors of the St. Colman’s Roman Catholic Trust as returned on 17 October 2006 to the Companies Registration Office:
John Magee (Chairman)
Archdeacon W.C. Twohig
Brian Carroll
Frank Walley
Mgr Denis O’Callaghan
Mgr James O’DonnellThe present secretary is: Robert Anthony Morrissey
We await further resignations here!
December 3, 2007 at 7:12 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770842Praxiteles
ParticipantThis one?
December 3, 2007 at 4:22 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770840Praxiteles
ParticipantIn case anyone wants to check the matter out for themselves just go to the Companies Registration Office website where all documents lodged since 1992 can be purchased for a very modest fee.
The web address is: http://www.cro.ie/
The name of the Company is: St. Colman’s Roman Catholic Trust
The Company Number is: 194310
December 3, 2007 at 4:11 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770839Praxiteles
Participant@samuel j wrote:
Actual Works Professional Fee
2006 €400.00 €148,000.00
2005 €74,527.00 €10,840.00
2004 €74,527.00 €8,945.00
2003 €- €35,789.00
2003 €9,957.00 €64,890.00
2001 €118,113.58 €60,980.44 At 0.787564
2000 €77,184.84 €26,462.61 At 0.787564Total €354,709.41 €355,907.05
Dear God, so since 2000 more than half has gone on Professional Fees……
So now, don’t you see why it is time to have this entire operation investigated by the Office for Corporate Enforcement?
Mr. Paul Appelby, are you out there, please take note of all this?
December 3, 2007 at 4:02 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770837Praxiteles
ParticipantJust to summarize the above:
from 2000 -2006 inclusive
Euro 355, 906 has been spent on professional fees
Euro 358, 305 has been spent on building contractors
Euro 11, 699 on advertising and promotion
__________
So on avergage for the period more has been spent on professional fees than on works. And Cobh Cathedral has all the signs of it.
Building Contractors: Euro 358,305
Professional fees/advertising: Euro 367,605Note: it was assumed that the reutrns for 2000 and 2001 were made in £s. They have been converted to Euro.
I think on the basis of the above more resignations are called for!!
December 3, 2007 at 3:45 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770836Praxiteles
ParticipantThe following are extracts from the returns made to the Companies Registration Office by the Cobh Cathedral Restoration Fund over the past number of years:
2006
– Euro 4,000 on bells
– Euro 148,000 Professional Fees
2005
– Euro 74,527 on uncertified works
– Euro 10, 840 on professional fees
2004
-Euro 74,527 (as following year) uncertified works
– Euro 8, 945 professional fees
2003
– Euro 00000 on works
– Euro 35, 789 on professional fees
2002
– Euro 9,957 to building contractors
– Euro 64, 890 to professional fees
2001
– £ 93,022 to buildng contractors
– £ 48, 026 to professional fees
2000
– £ 60, 788 to building contractors
– £ 20, 841 to professional fees
AND
– Euro 9,214 for advertising, promotion etc [this probably is the cost of the famous video promotion for the wreckage of the Cathedral featuring Denis Murphy and Tom Cavanagh telling us all about the finer points of liturgical theology]
There you have it,
Make what you like of all of this!December 3, 2007 at 2:52 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770834Praxiteles
Participant@samuel j wrote:
Ake- not a thing, see Post 3614 by Gianlorenzo and from Prax last week
From to-day’s Cobh Parish Newsletter:
“After a number of meetings and research we would like to announce that restoration work on the entrance and doors of St. Colman’s Cathedral will be taking place in the near future. Tenders are at this time being sought for the work which will be funded by the Cathedral Restoration Fund. We will be informing you again in more detail prior to works being carried out. We thank the people of Cobh and of the Diocese for their support in the restoration of the Cathedral for generations to come. Fr. Michael Leamy Adm.”
This is a piece of pious claptrap. Cobh Town Council knows nothing about it and have not been approached with regard to planning permission or for declarations of exemption. Likewise, Cork County Conservation Officer is totally in the dark and knows nothing about it.
This nonsense is put out to calm rumblings in Cobh and elsewhere caused by the revelation that only Euro 4,000 was spent on repairs/maintenance in 2006 while a “hunny-pot” of Euro 148,000 was scooped out of the Restoration Fund for what are blandly called “professional fees”.
Praxiteles must check with the Companies Registration Office to see what was spent on repairs in 2005 – indeed Praxiteles will check out and revert to all and sundry on when the last sizeable expenditure was made on repairs/maintencance by the Cobh Cathedral Restoration Fund!
December 2, 2007 at 9:08 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770831Praxiteles
Participant@Rhabanus wrote:
Prax,
Can you explain the formation of the stonework beneath the lancet windows supporting the rose on the S. transept? They seem, from my screen, to incline towards the centre of the facade. Is this intentional? Or owing to the passage of time? Or owing to some other intervention? Just strikes me as odd.
Thanks for posting the article by Fr Lang on Liturgical Latin. Ecellent reading!
The oddness may derive from the picture. there is another 30 feet of wall beneath the level taht you see in the photograph. The photogaph shows where the arch ends.
December 2, 2007 at 9:01 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770830Praxiteles
Participant@Sirius wrote:
[We await with baited breath to see how this one will play itself out!!!
I hope you mean bated – or has a trap been set for poor little Robin?[/QUOTE]
Welcome back Sirius. Have not heard from you for such a long time.
Re posting: Let’s just say that in the jeu d’écritures, les jeux sont faits et rien ne va plus!!
December 2, 2007 at 11:11 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770826Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
The facade of the North transept with the same treatment as the South transept facade.
December 2, 2007 at 11:07 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770825Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
The (slightly) recessed arch of South Transept.
The composition here of rose window (based on the North Rose of Laon Cathedral) and gallery with the arch not extending the whole height of the facade, is a feature more typical of the work of JJ McCArthy e.g. Monaghan (west); St. Saviour’s, Maynooth College Chapel (west).
December 2, 2007 at 10:40 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770824Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
The recessed arch of the West facade:
December 1, 2007 at 9:23 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770822Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd soe further instructive reading for the liturgists, especially paragraph 10, if they spot the bombshell!
December 1, 2007 at 8:11 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #770821Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd to return to the business of the Papal Altar in St. Peter’s, here is another shot of how things now work since the restoration:
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