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Here we have a general view of the nave of the Guadalupe Shrine at La Crosse.
Interesting to note the relationship between the image of Our LAdy of Guadalupe on the chancel wass and the baldachino. As you see, the image has been positioned on the wall so as to be framed by the baldachino, which in turn takes into account the altar that has yet to be erected underneath it. When all will be finished, the baldachino, altar and patronal image will all form a coherent and proportioned unit.
The view at the moment of the image on the chancel wall, seen through the baldachino, gives the impression of being placed too high on the wall. We are all too familiar with this sight AFTER the proportionately placed altar has been demolished or otherwise wreked. It certaainly is a rarity to see a similar sight BEFORE the altar is erected.
And here is a shot of D. Stroik’s new baldachino for the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe at La Crosse. It is evidently based on the baldachino in Santa Maria Maggiore in Rome.
We are told that the project was the idea of the former bishop of La Crosse, Msgr. Raymond Burke, subsequently transferred to the archdiocese of St. Louis.. It would perhaps be an enlightening experience were any of the over educated specimens on the Cloyne HACK to have a word in the good Archishop’s ear as he might be able to tell them a thing or too about aesthetics and church architecture and iconography. And it would not be all that humiliating for them since his immediate ancestors come from near Mallow in Co. Cork:
And here is an interesting link from the American neo-classsical school – The new Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe at La Crosse, Wisconsin, in the United States.
The acrhitect is Duncan Stroik:
@ake wrote:
Well how long til we hear about the appeals?
An Bord Pleanala is due to give a decision in the case by 16 June 2008.
@Rhabanus wrote:
The single sanctuary lamp hanging in front of the altar looks much better than the current arrangement with multiple cross-sconces. Too much clutter now.
The sanctuary lamp is still in place in Liscarroll. The multiple things are lights.
To return a moment to St. Joseph’s Church, Liscarroll, Co. Cork,
Here we a have a picture of the interior of the church as it was before the assault of the 1970s. The proposed plan to gut the interior will of course distance the church even farther from its original visual impact:
@johnglas wrote:
Clearly, absolute orthodoxy to a vanished dogmatic is an absolute prerequisite for being allowed to participate in this thread. That saddens me. As does the sound of empty churches, which is the inevitable outcome of such unregenerate orthodoxy.
Never said that and have never advocated that.
In an idle moment this afternoon, Praxiteles happened across the latest on our friend Brian Quinn’s web page (Rooney and McConville, Belfast). It makes for very interesting reading -especially the bit about liturgical consultation and the creation of a “worship space” all of which seems to be possible for BQ without distinction of creed!
http://www.rooney-mcconville.com/liturgicalconsultation_1.aspx
Just take a look at this guff:
“As liturgical consultants, we help you form your new worship environment into a central element in your ministry and pastoral planning. We do this in two ways – by designing the worship interior and its elements, and by facilitating an interactive process that discerns the worship needs of the community prior to a commitment to construction”.
And this, which makes absolutely clear that any mess created in the process is truly YOURS and no one else’s:
“The role of a liturgical consultant is to facilitate a process that ensures your new worship environment not only accommodates your spatial needs, but resonates with your tradition and aspirations. Such a process involves as many from the parish as possible and is adapted to, and inspired by, your community. This guided consultation is an opportunity to reflect on your Christian commitment and how your worship space reflects and nourishes that commitment. Just as each community is unique, so is the guided process and so is the result”.
What happens when the parish just does not want what ever is concocted by the “decision-making” committee?
Here is a photograph from which the Cloyne HACK might learn something when it comes to erecting temporary altars. The photograph is of the apsis of the Lateran Basilica arranged for the ordinations that took place there last week. As you can see a temporary altar has been erected in front of the Cathedra of the Bishop of Rome. however, it has not been simply flung onto the floor and left there. As you will notice it has been raised on a predella of at least one step.
Just in case there might be any impression to the contrary Praxiteles subscribes to an ultramontane concept of Catholicism and utterly repudiates any 18th century quasi Josephinianism or Gallicanism -both of which were distinctly bad influences on religion and not insignificant contributors to the cataclasm to hit Europe at the close of the siecles des lumieres.
@johnglas wrote:
Rhabanus: I’ll defer to Prax, but not to you. The DIP is a doll dressed up and you seem to be obsessed by an ultramontane delusion. How many of these dour northerners have a culture of clerical sexual abuse? (Sorry about that, but it has to be said.)
I do not accept many so-called liturgical reforms, I deplore the stripping of the altars and the banalisation and vandalism of churches. I will not accept dubious practices dressed up (sic) as true religion. A bit of pomp occasionally, yes. But no to the rest and most of it is tacky.Introducng the question of clerical sexual abuse into this debate is a bit of a red herring and a fallacy of subreption. I am quite sure that were one to dig, it would not take too long to come up with Northern examples of what you refer to – e.g. the name Kincora springs to mind. Puritainism is no guarantee of chastity.
