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@Sirius wrote:
Although they shared a common objective during the appeal this is a most unstable coalition with conflicting long term interests. The various appellants have welcomed the Board’s decision for radically different reasons.
1. The secularist conservationists in An Taisce and the Irish Georgian Society believe that they have gained effective control over the architectural heritage of the main religious denominations.
2. The bureaucratic conservationists in the Department of the Environment believe they have “binned” Chapter 5 of the Architectural Heritage Guidelines.
3. The conservative Tridentines in FOSCC believe that they have turned back the liturgical clock.FOSCC were so focused on embarrassing their own hierarchy that they still do not realise the extent to which the appeal decision has advanced the cause of Secularism. Ian Lumley must find it amusing to hear the turkeys welcome Christmas.
very interesting reading this two years on and post 25 March 2008 TRidentine Mass in Cobh cathedral!
And another: this time the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in Los Angeles by Raphael Moneo:
http://www.buildme.net/Photo%20Library/Moneo%20LA%20C/index.htm
Some more views of that church by Alvao Siza:
And this, in Northern Portugal, by Alvaro Siza which could easily be mistaken for an electrical transmission station:
Something for future reference, especially the list of buildings -some of which we have seen already and other that remain to be discovered:
@Rhabanus wrote:
Sterile, eccentric, and narcissist.
This building does not invite others into the joy of the kerygma, nor does it proclaim the joy of the Christian faith to a world in search of hope. Where is the elan?
Instead, it fences off the Church from the world. It cages the 450 sheep. Forgive Rhabanus for thinking that Christ is the gate of the sheepfold and that one enters through Him – not through the perfection attributed to the cube, or any other shape except the cross. The message here is sadly neurotic.
How – or why – the 450 scraped together the funds for this baffles the imagination.
Oh well, in a few years it will make a suitable factory or an IBM plant. Nuclear research station also comes to mind. Split the atom and celebrate the cube! This is Rationalism turned in on itself. NEXT!!!It is pretty curious taht 450 people could find the cash to erect this. But…..
And here we have another example of a modern church Notre Dame de l’Arche in the XV arondissment in Paris which was built between 1986-1998 by Architecture Studio for 450 parishioners. The basic form here is the cube -chosen for its perfecion….
http://www.architecture-studio.fr/Architecturestudio.php?rubrique=ReaDetail&ID=PAPRO
The steel frame is not scaffolding but an integarl part of the structure intended as a buffer bewteen the sacral and the secular -something entirely inexplicable in Christian tradition.
Some items posted on Youtube on the happenings in Cobh on 25th March last. They give a fairly good idea of the the sanctuary in Cobh Cathedral is intended to operate:
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=T77cEfekNp4
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Bbqxmf62U&feature=user
Speaking of Chapels, here is another case to be studied carefully:
The Kapel Heilige Maria der Engelen, Rotterdam in the Netherlands by Mechanoo Architecten (2000)
Just looking at all those beny walls makes me wonder if there might not be some connection between this and the bendy glass wall chapel of the Bons Secours in Galway shown here recently?
@Rhabanus wrote:
OK!
Was the candle on the Epistle side of the Altar during the Mass in Cobh on 25 March ’08, then, the bugia (Fr. “bougie”)?
I thought that the bugia is always supposed to be held to the right of the book. The point of it, after all, is to cast light on the text of the missal. I did not notice that the stray candle was inserted into a bugia on the altar, hence I assumed that it was the seventh candle inserted into a large candlestick and lowered behind the freestanding altar for lack of space on the mensa. Perhaps the angle of the camera accounts for some of the confusion.
In either case, that candle between the first and second candlestick on the Epistle side seems to be in the wrong place. These ceremonial objects ought to be positioned correctly if they are going to be used at all; and for the record, Rhabanus supports the use of both the bugia and the seventh candlestick whenever and wherever appropriate.
The candle was the bugia but it was handled by an MC who had not a clue what to do with it or where to put it!
And then we have the oragami wonder of the western world -the Capilla en Valleaceron Southern Spain by Sancho-Madridejos!
Lawyer!
Here is an example of the use of the seventh candle to denote jurisdiction. It is from the Papal Mass of Wednesday April 2, 2008 on the third aanivesary of Pope John Paul II’s death.
Note the candle immediately behind the crucifix. This is what was missing in CObh on 25 March last.
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Here’s an old print for the church-heads 😉
A private chapel by G.C. Ashlin
I take it the prototype is Cormac’s Chapel. Any idea if it were ever byuit?
And here is another example.
This time the Chapel of St. Ignatius at Seattle, Washington, USA by architect Stephan Holl
http://www.stevenholl.com/project-detail.php?type=educational&id=40&page=0
@johnglas wrote:
The problem is, they are not necessarily bad buildings, they are just terrible churches.
No doubting that!
Or, try this
The Herz-Jesu Kirche in Volklingen in the diocese of Trier built 2001
Johnglas!
If you regard the Herz-Jesu in Munich as a bit of a schoker, then try this: The Christkirche in Donau Ufer in Vienna: completed in 2000
http://austria-360.at/wien/page-donaucity_k2.html
I am particularly amused by the woodworm style windows. They have a sort of unintended re-assurance that this kind of horror is subject to the rust of time.
Here is some more information:
As for the door, what must not the place be like with taht open and the East wind rolling in off the Hungarian plains?
@johnglas wrote:
No comment (but what about the ‘door’, i.e. wall?). I note that the ‘owner’ is described as the ‘Pfarramt’ and the ‘Pfarrkirchenstiftung’ – the congregation actually owns (and manages) the building! Could Cobh ever cope wwith this?
I would not equate “Pfarrkirchenstifung” and “Congregation”. “Pfarrkirchenstiftung” denotes juridical personality inhering in the “parish” qua legal entity rather than the “parish” qua community of the faithful or congregation. In Cobh and in Ireland in general, and I suspect in Scotland, Catholic entities such as parishes or dioceses have no legal personality in themselves.
Well, believe it or not, this is the Herz-Jesu Kirche (or Sacred Heart Church) at Neuhausen in Muncih. Unfortunately, these pictures do not allow us a view of the yrban context into which it has been inserted.
http://www.tauber.de/files/engl/projekte/herz-jesu.htm
http://www.floornature.de/articoli/articolo.php?id=227&lang=en&sez=3
http://www.herzjesu-muenchen.de/index3.html
http://eng.archinform.net/projekte/9561.htm
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herz-Jesu-Kirche_%28M%C3%BCnchen%29
