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I notice the central motif on the floor mosaic is not unlike that in Cobh Cathedral.
I have nothing against the iconographic tradition of the Oriental Churches. In many respects, it is a very venerable tradition. However, in Western Christianity we have our own iconographic and artistic traidtion. It says much that the iconoclasts cannot think of anything of the Roman tradition and have to turn to the orientals to cover their “nakedness” so as to speak,. This is double cultural iconoclasm and doubly reprehensible.
Have not visited the church in North WIlliam Street but it was built to plans by W. H. Byrne between 1878 and 1908. Christine Casey in her Dublin volume of The Buildings of Ireland is a bit over critical of the interior -but this book is not always to be taken seriously especially shen one reads teh grovelling attitude it protraus to wrekovations carried out by Cathal O’Neill e.g. the Pro Cathedral..
Accoridng to the lass, the church was begun by a farsighted PP, Fr. Collier, but his successor, Fr. O’Malley, wanted to abandon the dite and build in Richmond Square. The indomitable (and unmatched) Archbishop William Walsh of Dublin refused permission and found himself sued before the King’s Bench by the PP. Matters were resolved by the PP death. The church was finished in relative calm thereafter.
I am fairly sure that the Redentore, the Salute and San Giorgio would all have have sets of hangings in the main liturgical colours. The newt time you are there, look at the walls to see if the tell-tale hooks to hold them are still in place. It just happens that San Simeone in Venice and the Chiesa Nuova in Rome continue a practice that was used in all of these type of churches right up to the 1960s. In a sense, these kind of hangings are not exactly extraneous -as you can see from the pictures of San Simeone.
With the resussitation of much of the liturgical fixtures going on presently in St. Peter’s, I am wondering how long it will take for the hangings to be taken out of the cupboards!
@johnglas wrote:
Yes, it’s a gem of a building; my only fear is that ‘in restauro’ usually implies quarantine for an indefinite number of years!
It’s too long since I’ve been to Venice – I think my favourite church is possibly the Frari, although the sublime basilica at Torcello or the exquisite gem of S. Maria dei Miracoli also come to mind, amongst others. La Serenissima, indeed.PS When at my most Lutheran (or Palladian), I would have to say S. Giorgio Maggiore and I still have a poster of S. Maria de Salute (the most memorable profile of them all).
I cannot imagine how Palladianism and Lutheranism can possibly be held simultaneously. After all, Palladio was very much at the heart of the Catholic counter reformation in Venice and consciously work within that frame.
Here is Canaletto’s veduta of San Simeone Piccolo in about 1750. This was one of the last churches built by the Venitian Republic.
@johnglas wrote:
Prax: magnificent as it is, the KD is definitely in need of a good clean; the beadles were certainly in evidence, but the place was overwhelmed with people (mostly just agog, and not unduly rowdy). I was fascinated to find the tombs of Albertus Magnus (in St Andreas) and of John Duns Scotus (in the Minoritenkirche) – to have one is fortunate, to have both is unbelievable. Both were treated simply, no attempt at smothering in ‘pious’ trappings, and in quiet and prayerful settings. Deutscher Stil?
Apart from the railway station, my first sight of Venice was of S. Simeone. It’s been a love affair ever since.What a coincidence!
And do not forget that Thomas Aquinas was in Cologne for the laying of the foundation stone of the Cathedral in 1248.
San Simeone is open on Sundays and Holidays at least for the Mass times (10.15 to midday; and again at 3pm for Benediction). Its open on weekdays from 5.30 in the evenings.
Modelled on the Pantheon, it was built between 1718 and 1738 by Giovanni Scalfarotto.
The change of atmosphere is precisely the point of the hangings. These churches, follwoing the norm set by Palladio and Serlio, have plain white interiors. These need to be “adapted” to the Stimmung of the various liturgical times and seasons -hence the idea of hangings.
As fof the Koelener Dom being dust filled – that is very surprising. The last time I was there it was spotless and the tourist hoards strictly controlled by the beadles.
Some time ago, we had a discussion about the use of baroque wall hangings in Italian churches. In the meantime, Praxiteles has been to see San Simeone Piccolo in Venice where the practice of using the wall hangings continues. In the following shots, you will see the red hangings used for the Feast of San Mark, patron of Venice, used on the 25 April. And then, the black hangings used for a requiem Mass for the Grand Master of the Order of Malta.
Fisrt, an external shot of San Simeone Piccolo:
@samuel j wrote:
Besides squandering money nothing has been done and if anything the condition of the structure is even worse. Go for gods sake and let some element of professionalism get the place ship shape..:(
Could not agree more!!
From what we hear from Cobh, the great rush to restoration of the collapsing Cathedral has yet again come to nothing. Despite noises of all sorts, it seems that nothing concrete is to be had from the Restoration Committee. I once again reiterate my call for the resignation of this wholly incompetent and useless body. If they do not go, then we shall have to arrange to have them sent packing! After more than four years of complaint, this group cannot even manage to put a coat of paint on the external doors.
Came across this reently – a site still producing Pugin designed silk fabrics for use as wall hangings:
http://www.charlesrupert.com/traditional/1840to1880/pugin.html
A recording of the bells at Chartres Cathedral:
The full peal of the Laurentiuskirche in Nuremberg – we have already seen its famous Tabernacle:
