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- August 14, 2008 at 8:22 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771826
Praxiteles
Participant@Rhabanus wrote:
Shame on the Al-wahabi for his sacrilegious treatment of the communion gates. The garbage pail over the cross on the gate is abominable!
Fie upon the CCC as well for allowing this atrocity to continue.
Stop the sharade.
This reflects quite tellingly the level of faith and competence of the clergy in the region. Does the toffynosed Al-Wahabi still occupy the cabana?
TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY DYSFUNCTIONAL !
Indeed!!!
August 14, 2008 at 6:12 am in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771825Praxiteles
Participant@johnglas wrote:
Prax: very nice set of pics of decent modest country parish churches (Goleen in good enough taste even for me – pity about the altar rails); I agree that Castlemagner sanctuary has been butchered in a way that can satisfy nobody, but what has been undone can be ‘done’, if you know what I mean. When restoration becomes the new orthodoxy we could be in for a few (pleasant) surprises. Perhaps the economic downturn will have an ecclesiastical equivalent in the redundancy of liturgical ‘experts’ – DV. After all ,they’ve been trading in sub-prime expertise for years.
A fine redemptive theme there!
August 12, 2008 at 5:59 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771822Praxiteles
ParticipantKqnturk is indeed a very interesting case and it will be more than interesting to see how it pans out.
August 11, 2008 at 5:31 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771821Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd just in case Cork County Council is thinking that someone in Kanturk has come to a realization of the artistic quality, merits and value of the sancttuary gates and has simply secreated them in a nearby bank vault, they may wish to take a look at the following images which clearly show the ubication of the gates at present and the amount of “chesrihing” their artistic and heritage quality merits.
August 11, 2008 at 5:26 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771820Praxiteles
ParticipantChurch of the Immaculate Conception, Kanturk, Co. Cork
If Cork County Council is of the view that the gates have been removed from the altar rail simply for restoration and cleaning and will be returned at some undetermined time during the present millennium, then perhaps they might wish to ponder on the significance of the gauging out of the brass stays for the gates from the praedella of the sanctuary.
That little detail strikes Praxiteles as redolent of a quasi habitual intention of ensuring thay they will never return.
August 11, 2008 at 5:22 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771819Praxiteles
ParticipantChurch of the Immaculate Conception, Kanturk, Co. COrk.
These pictures recently came to Praxiteles. They show the results of the recent “re-ordering” of the church church built in 1869. The “reordering” was completed on 8 December 2007 and, from the pubblished brochure, we learn that one of the dignitaries present was the Cork County Council’s Conservation/Heritage Officer.
From the pictures, we notice -and have documented this previously on this thread – that the gates of the altar rail (by McGlouglin of Dublin) have been stripped from the rail. Previous inquiries about them revealed that bno planning permission was sought for this item and none given by the Cork County Council. Again, no declaration of exemption was sought for the removal of the gates of the altar rail and none was given.
Repeated representations to Cork County Concil have revealed various “scealta”. Atfirst, they might have been taken down for cleaning and restoration but they would be reinstated. Further inquiries are believed to have very flaccid representations made about putting them back. While all this was going on the gates were simply planked against the rail – but, as religion still seems to have a social impact on the area around Kanturk, nobody obliged by stealing them.
Almost a full year after the completion of the “reordering” we still have no gates on the rail. Cok County Council has done nothing about it -and does not seem to bothered to want to da anything about it. The Heritage/Conservation Officer and the Enforcement Officer, as far as the gates are concerned, may as well not exist – or at least as far as the simple matter of restoring the gates to the rail is concerned they do not appear to represent much productivity as far spending public funds on their salaries is concerned.
August 11, 2008 at 4:49 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771818Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd finally, an excellent sarcophagus tomb which looks like dating from the 1830’s which is to be found on the south side against the massive screen boundary walls built by O’Riordan in 1826 – a feature also to be found at Doneraile.
P.S. Could anyone persuade the people in Skibbereen to take away those awful lamps depending from the drip courses right around the church?
August 11, 2008 at 4:45 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771817Praxiteles
ParticipantPro Cathedral Church of St. Patrick, Skibbereen, Co. Cork
Here we have a shot of the apse constructed by G. C. Ashlin c. 1883 when he extended the sanctuary and closed off the the open transepts of the 1826 “T” shaped plan which we typically find in many of the churches of Florence.
Ashlin’s apse windows ops can be contrasted immediately with those insatlled by O’Riordan in 1826.
The other picture sgows the external access to the west gallery which is located in the south elevation.
August 11, 2008 at 4:25 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771816Praxiteles
ParticipantPro Cathedral Church of St. Patrick, Skibbereen, Co. Cork
Some further shots oft he west elevation with a detail of the of the symmetrical holy water stoups at either side of the main door and inset in niches whose architectural origins are to be found in the portico of the Pantheon in Rome..
The detail also provides an example of the proportionate scaling. The outer section consists of some 19 courses on a base; followed by 16 courses on a smaller base; followed by 12 courses on a recessed base; followed by the niche consisting of 5 courses. Transversely, we have 4 sctions on the outer lintel; 2 on the inner lintel; and 1 forming the arch of the niche.
Id anyone has the time, I am sure they will also discover that the size of the blocks is also proportionate to their positioning in the outer or inner recess or to the niche.
While the sides oft he recesses are not perpendicular, those of the niche are.
The font itself is differentiated by a change of colouring n the stone and is elaborated -not accidentially – in 3 superimposed hemispherical arcs of varying size; all articulate again in 3 parts.
The west facade is now missing two urns that originally stood on the plinths.
It would alos be interesting were someone to have the the time to track the origin of these proportions and massings to their origins in Vitruvius, Serlio, and Palladio.
August 11, 2008 at 4:21 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771815Praxiteles
ParticipantPro-Cathedral Church of St. Patrick, Skibbereen, Co. Cork
Built by Bishop Michael Collins to plans drawn by Br. Michael Augustine O’Riordan and completed in 1826.
The west facade was given a porch in c. 1883 by G.C. Ashlin who also substituted the original glazing of the window with the present tripartite scheme.
August 10, 2008 at 10:44 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771814Praxiteles
ParticipantSub-prime expertise!!
Add at least another qualification: Sub-subprime …just think of the ecclesiastical “expertise” deployed on the project to devastate Cobh Cathedral.
August 10, 2008 at 8:19 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771812Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Mary’s, Castlemagner 1869
One devastated sanctuary.
August 10, 2008 at 8:17 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771811Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. mary’s, Castlemagner 1869
Cast iron trellis work windows
The stations of the Cross are also by Mayer of Munich but have been repained with peculiar tinctures.
August 10, 2008 at 8:15 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771810Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Mary’s, Castlemagner 1869
The chancel window by Mayer of Munich (signed lower left corner) installed in 1913.
August 10, 2008 at 8:13 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771809Praxiteles
ParticipantSt. Mary’s, Castlemagner, Co. Cork built in 1869.
Here is another example of these “T” shaped gothic revival churches of the mid 19th century.
Here unfortunately a complete devastation has been practised on the building. Following the awful butchery of Casey on Killarney Cathedral, the walls have been stripped of their plaster and decoration. The sanctuary has been completely gutted and re kitted in the most eccentric of manners.
However, even still the church is interesting. Firstly, the roof, with its king pin at the crossing, is exceptionally high and lemnd the church a tremendous sense of space. The chancel window is by Mayers of Munich and in its Immaculata and St, Jeseph clearly demonstarte influences deriving from Murillo. The original trellis work iron framed windows survive by some miracle of grace.
As with Liscarroll, the sacristy of this “T” shaped church is massed to side of the sanctuary. However, the dooor as it appears to-day opens into the transept – a falsification deriving from the demolition of the altar rail which once enclosed much of the span across the nave and the transepts. When the rail was in place, the sacristy door opened into the sancturay.
August 10, 2008 at 7:48 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771808Praxiteles
ParticipantThe church of Our Lady Star of the Sea and of St. Patrick (1854) at Goleen, West Cork
The High Altar.
The triple lancet window contains a crucifixion with Our Lady and St, John the subject clearly transposed here from the medieval Rood Beam.
St. Joesph’s, Liscarroll, however has a single decorated window in the chancel. the subject is similar except that ST. John has been replaced by St. Joseph, the church’s patron.
Much of the glass in Goleen church comes from Watson’s studios in Youghal, Co. Cork
August 10, 2008 at 7:45 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771807Praxiteles
ParticipantThe church of Our Lady, Star of the Sea and of St. Patrick at Goleen, in West Cork.
An inscription over the main door tells us that the church was consecrated in October 1854.
It is of interest because of its ground plan which is “T” shaped and its roofing which comes together over the crossing in a king’s pin arrangement.
While traditionally churchese run in bays of odd numbers, this church is 4 bays.
It is also nteresting in that much (though not all) of its original features survive, including the High Altar – in front of which another altar has been erected on the outer edge of the altar praedella.
This church can be compared with the interior of the smaller (thoug not less interesting) church of St. Joseph, at Liscarroll, Co. Cork (of 1869), currently the subject of an appeal to ABP which shares many of its features..
One striking difference between the two churches is the double doors to the retro sacristy in Goleen – a feature taken over from the classical period. Liscarroll built 15 yeras later has a sacristy massed on the south side of the sanctuary with only one door – indicating the advance of gothic revival prinicples in the intervening years of the building of both churches.
August 10, 2008 at 4:23 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771806Praxiteles
ParticipantAll Saints, Barton Irwell
The inside of the west door showing the original hanging and armament of the door.
August 10, 2008 at 4:19 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771805Praxiteles
ParticipantAll Saints, Barton Irwell, Manchester
The altar of the de Trafford mortuary chapel.
This family were notable recusants in the Manchester area. Despite the reformation and the penalties imposed on those who did not conform to the new religion, the de Trafforts remained Catholic and very much the centre of all Catholic activities in the Manchster area reight into the the early 20th century.
If Praxiteles is not very much mistaken, the dead Christ under the altar reflects Mantegna’s composition of the same subject.
August 10, 2008 at 4:11 pm in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771804Praxiteles
ParticipantAll Saints, Barton Irwell, Manchester
The pulpit
The pulpit here is octagonal (much favoured by E.W. Pugin) and comparable with those (fortunately still surviving) in Cobh Cathedral and at the the Church of the Sacred Heart in Monkstown, Co. Cork.
The Barton Irwell example is done in a perpendicular idiom.
To the right of the pulpit and behind it, is the entrance to the de Trafford mortuary chapel.
Note the banding on the pillars which is reminiscent of the gothic cathedrals of Orvieto and Siena.
This church is about a mile and half up the road from Trafford Park -so if anyone is going to a football match, it can easily be taken in.
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