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i think some1 has been itchin to get back at the forum ever since a critique of one of his articles! 😀 hey free speech as long as everyone agrees with it eh? hey shouldnt csd change some of the propaganda on their website too then??? cos if we tidy up they have to do. it makes a nice ‘david & goliiath’ story but the truth is, its no news at all. yes people have to be careful what they say but i think the thread has copped on generally with the exception of about 1 or 2 posts – so they should cop on like.
hey eoin come on and join the discussion! the more the merrier! hey! contribute like youve got enough out of the forums give somethin back! 🙂 and relaxxx!!!
as for the quotes – em, i saw some of ’em, but talk about out of context! was that the sun or the examiner???
anyway keep up the good work lads. dont let the nay sayers put you off good work. and remember, feed your goldfish! i learnt that the hard way on waking up this morning. at first i thought ol’ goldie was just doing a back stroke on the water surface. turns out, he was dead!!!
but on a serious note – this is an opinion forum. part of the problem there is opinion is expressed. now as it is widely read and public, discipline must be exercised so lets not get annoyance get the better of us. it does development in the city no favors and only strengthens the david side of the fence. dont give them the ammunition. its not about developers making millions (although profit has to be made to allow for further development – duh like!) – its about improving quality of life and architecture for all in the long run. that may all sound lawdeedaw but believe it or not its true. so less old people bashing, more community beneficial development and sure at the end of the day, youre all invited to my house for a nice bbq. that includes csd AND eoin english. sure arent we all livin in the same city at the end of the day! hurrah! 🙂
great news about eglintion street!!! 🙂 finally cork is starting to look like a city and a lot less like a collection of tool sheds with some churches thrown in for good measure! only messing, sure amnt i proud of the old girl myself but its good to see eglinton street get planning. will be interested to see the conditions. not a half bad design either – i hear even an taisce were applauding the tower. well done oflynns and wilson. will be interesting to see who next has the balls to propose a decent tower along the docklands. theyll have to top this development substantially. manor park perhaps???
i hear a 7storey plan is being assessed for the doyle warehouse there on albert quay, anyone know anymore??? lets hope the developers there (talking with twill ltd as well arent they?) do something nice with the quayside while theyre at it too.
(well done lex on eg st! keep it comin!)
as someone said on this thing before oflynns will now have the ‘biggest erection’ in cork city! but i say isnt st fin barres 3metres taller? roll on the inferiority complex – the competition ensues!
as for the imperial hotel ol’ blimpy-boy i believe the timber thingy is to be removed following a treatment by cumnor when their frank ennis works on morgan street are complete. oooo new niteclub for cork! somewhere else to go on those lonely saturday nights when my imaginary wife is away! 😀
@lexington wrote:
🙂 Frinailla are expected to lodge their plans for Victoria Cross either today or Monday. The plans comprise of a development of 25 apartments over a large commercial unit. The development will range from 6 to 7 storeys over basement car-parking – and will be developed on the site of the former Plumbing Utilities Store across the road from Aras Developments’ new student residence (currently under construction by Heberger Construction, designed by O’Shea Leader) and just north of the HSE’s Cork Farm Centre. I hope to have images soon.
Frinailla’s plans for Dennehy’s Cross, designed by O’Mahony Pike, are expected to be lodged soon also.
(Update: Sorry, Frinailla have lodged their plans – a decision date is due for the 24th of August 2005. Expect to hear from CSD on this one!!! – the apartments will consist of 4 1-bedroom apartments and 21 2-bedroom apartments)
sooouuundsss interesting! looking forward to seeing the pics on this one. will frinailla get away with 7 storeys? well possibly it will depend on the design. building heights along this road are averaging between 5 and 9 anyway. plus with the possibility of the cork farm centre (ive heard the same talk too lex! 😉 ) going up for a redevelopment in the coming years you can expect a 7-storey scheme (possibly) for that site also – plus dennehys cross. cahra and csd are going to have a baby. 7-storeys is the new 6-storeys.
also regarding academy street i hear csr are ready to go, think its ocp holding up the application on that for ? reasons. the examiner will prob get the heads up on that given the association of the site but hey chq still awaits us! 😀
@Thomond Park wrote:
Dunshaughlin can have a bypass anyway and if the route were sufficiently routed east of this site of World importance dunshaughlin probably wouldn’t need a by-pass in the first place.
The more I think of the individual blunders in this scheme the more I question the validity of tenure of the vast majority of senior NRA staff.
Lets face it Cullens latest tirade has little to do with anything other than providing a smokescreen away from the massive cost over-runs within the NRA programme.
Taxpayers have been let down on a huge scale in relation to public projects such as e-voting, the national aquatic centre, aborted Breetie Bowl, Luas, Cork Airport terminal the list is endless.
how that man is still a minister i will never know. i think in retrospect the pds have sighed a quiet breath of relief. that man has cost the state a treasure and so blatantly and unapologetically too,
@snoopdog wrote:
:confused: Is it true that mr.Kelleher has sent in another planning permission application? Is it also true that he was only allowed 27 town houses after his last application? :confused:
nope. if anything he’d appeal it but i havent heard anything. so what was the last really exciting planning application in the city? clontarf street? kennys thing on patricks quay??? im waiting with tantilising anticipation to see the next really interesting proposal. anyone got a heads up???
😀 @Radioactiveman wrote:
Frinailla Ltd. have withdrawn their applications to demolish buildings on Watercourse Road on the site of their Lady’s Well development. They still have two applications with ABP to demolish and construct a mixed use development including, apartments, retail, gym, health centre.
Apparently, they have recently informed local residents that they are to proceed with knocking the buildings prior to any decision being made by ABP. They are basing this work on safety grounds.tawt they just withdrew the appeal for subsurface investigations??? itll allow ’em get straight into the job if granted in september.
hey hey leave those kids alone! hope they get the 5 storeys. that whole 1 storey reduction thing was a complete joke. any word on the water street appeal? that one is gonna be a major determinant on many future docks decisions i figure. the council carry on was a joke. by the way thats my word of the day ‘joke’. 😀
@rodger wrote:
In relation to John Lennons plans there is I am told a fine line between genius and madness. 😮
which side of the line is he on??? 😀
(by the way maybe its just the sherbet and fizzy cola i just drank through my nose but, isnt john lennon dead??? now that is mad!)
wait wait wait i got one! re john lennons bridge thing – theres gonna be apartments on it right? well…imagine all the people, living…on that bridge…
wait that sound much funnier in my head. feck! to think i came all the way back online for that. :confused:
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
because THAT THREAD is full of developer rubbish
first off, great pics devin – some nice visuals there (including the girls in pic 2!!! 😀 – what an eye!) but i think that comment up above isnt quite unfair. besides the fact that the thread has become a valuable resource to some in the city and dont see why der cant be 2 sides to the coin. if the look at…cork thread is developerish so be it. this seems like a nice oul thread to start talkin about the other side of things so why not go for it??? live and let live. its up 2 da people involved i say to make it work and if it doesnt theres noone to blame but themselves. also i think the look at cork thread has be very good at gettin people for all areas of the field of new buildings interestd in not only this website but also corks architecture and progress and history and stuff. i used to read this website since early 2002 (many a year before i delurked) and cork didnt get half the mention it does now which was a shame cos the whole country has so much to offer not just dublin.
i see the popularity of the look at cork thread as a very positive thing and archiseek.com should be proud that its has such a success on its hands. just look at the google rating for mention of the topics in it, its brillient!
it also seems to have got people really interested in wats goin on in cork and if ders bias here and there well every1 has an = opportunity to voice their opinion and tackle an issue. i dont agree with everything on it either but tis great to see the vast info there. and also i think it gets people excited to see opportunities to embrace modern architecture in a city that never enjoyed the same movement as places like dublin. so relax – let that thread do its thing and lets give this thread a nice shot at the otherside of things!!!!!
(i never had me one for diplomacy! think i see a pig flyin passed me window!) 😀
that website is a laugh! for all the wrong reasons.
hey wats tommy barker on about with exclusive pics??? they were up on this website ages ago – but then again not everyone has archiseek i suppose. im feeling all warm and priveleged all of a sudden! lawdeedaw! 😉
also yay cornmarket st – we’ve been waiting a long time and finally here we go! whoopee!
i thought this thread was 5 stars eh??? wats goin on lads? hehe. c’mon a little support please!
a 5 storey bridge? hmmm anyone for the taj mahal on south mall? mr lennon at this crack again, well good luck to him but i agree that this would mess up the views. i was just walking this area today and it would cock up the whole area – why doesnt he try it for a replacement to trinity bridge there near the college of knowledge instead? the river bend here would break up any impacts on the vistas this location provides. just an idea! hey when is the new kino being constructed? really looking forward to that.
this is the one project i genuinely sigh at when I see it – obviously the answer is money, but, other than that how could such a rotten design bestow such a wonderful location??? undoubtedly one of the worst proposals for cork ever. it will need a helluva amount of deeply thought out changes before it becomes even a quarter acceptable.
@lexington wrote:
John Mannix’s Washington Street Development
yeh is better that wotz there. good that it got the go anyway. hope they get going on it soon. that street corner is rotten!!!
@lexington wrote:😀 Michael O’Donoghue’s Rockfell Investments are scheduled to make a move on their Cornmarket Street development within the coming weeks – that’s according to City Manager Joe Gavin
finally!!! no more sitting in the bodega staring longfully at the redbrick saying ‘please hurry up!’
@lexington wrote:Some New Eglinton Street Images
View west-to-east down the new streetscape planned linking Eglinton Street with Albert Road. Note the extensive pedestrian element and basement carpark entrance – also, the Howard Holdings WebWorks on Albert Quay can be seen just encroaching on the image to the left.
View down Albert Road (north-south), Eglinton Street rises like a maze of shape and colour. Impressive. (P.S. Doyle Warehousing seen to the right is set to be redeveloped (7-storeys – undetermined height, based on 1 plan of 1 interested party), this will blend Eglinton Street in much easier.)hey cork may look like a city when this thing is done! the words erotic and architecture spring to mind.
i rmbr both opera houses. ill never understand how that thing got built but hopefully itll be improved on again.– wats the craic on the bishopstown thing by mark kelleher? thats due soon isnt it? 124 objections. eek!!! 😮
as for the water st and centre park appeals – all i can say is, the buggers!!! but hopefully water st will be as someone said ‘vindicated!’
oh yeah i forgot – dont break up the thread! believe it or not it has become an important referncing point for many architects and devlopers in cork! trust me! thing redabbeyredux said it had become prime gossip in these circles and i can vouch for that. think lex’s idea bout when it gets to 100 pages then we could have a part 2 or sumthin and have a link on the first page of the new one back to the old one is a good idea!!! itll allow us to keep referencing and accessing this page and stuff. this is a really good thread – prob the best info and discussion source on devlopments in cork. like was said its breadth really is important and stands to it!!! k, i’m done! i’m off to slingshot some rabbits!!!!!jurys pics!!!!!
hey!!! look what i found! thanks lex! black and white and blurry but you get the idea. now just imagine it without the block a in the middle. still it’ll be a helluva improvement on the existing lump of 1960s architectural misery.
@d_d_dallas wrote:
The ole AnBP gem – omit the biggest part and grant the rest. Is this really the best way to grant planning? How does the project compare having this omitted?
well now when you stand in the middle of the place you can shout your name and hear it echoed back to you. you can see the logic abp had behind that. it’ll produce endless hours of acoustic fun. doesnt cork need something like that? bless them.
but seriously no this isnt the best way to go about planning i think. mob79 as far as public spaces go thats what the docklands are suppose to help with. but so far the strategy seems to be we need wall to wall linear 6 storey blocks. god forbid a highrise here or there would allow for some green space.
bravo all round people!
@Mob79 wrote:
Do you know whats going to be there instead of block A?
space – the final frontier…
…im guessin a public plaza or some landscaping or somethin. i agree block a was prob the nicer of the buildings. the mystery of abp.
anyone else know??? at least it didnt get refused. 😮
its official! cork city council + urban initiatives + the panel of judges = no imagination. boring! boring! boring! and we can still see the multistorey. at least the other designs were tall enough to cover that brick for cars and they would have integrated better with the height of the new developments emerging on lavitts qy and the existing developments at the gate multiplex and neighbours. for a bunch of architects and planners they dont seem too smart that way. saw the greek entry too genario! dont like the buildings too much but the public space is wow!
hey there! seems i’ve been missing out on the action!!!!!!! glad eglinton st is back in the picture. even better to see the tower is still there, that woulda been a big loss.
as for the custom quay thing, i wouldnt be gettin to crazy about it. sure i like the buildings and stuff but liek lets see whats on the offer, eh??? lex said it wasnt a definite anyway so gettin steamy bout it may just be a big waste of energy. thnaks for the heads up there anyway.
any more pics on clontarf st??? thats the development im really interested in! the clarks bridge offices seem ok – suppose that area could do with a do-up anyway. saw the plans for crosses green nearby! christ almighty are they for real??? does architecture constitute sketching bricks nowadays? what is it, seven storeys??? seven storeys of unflushed toilet.
