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delighted to hear about patricks qy. what an eyesore the place is. in time id like to see the quayside their build up sufficiently to counterbalance developmet across the water and bring a nice corridor effect and sense of continuity to the quays which should hopefully serve to emphasise the river rather than detract from it as is with patchy building types and overly dramatic varying rooflines.
@lisam wrote:
That sweet shop was called Cudmores.
what a place! i lost many a tooth to that institution. my smashed-window smile is a testament to their good work.
@lexington wrote:
😀 When Reliance Bearings Company put their premises of just under 0.5acres at Anderson’s Quay on the market in early summer of this year – much speculation amounted what would become of this prime site at the epicentre of Cork’s emerging and vibrant new office quarter. Up to 4 solid bids were secured by Hamilton Osbourne King who were handling the sale – which guided at approximately €5m. Interest came from as far as Dublin, but in the end, the property was sold for a figure over €2m in excess of the guide to O’Callaghan Properties (OCP).
It has emerged, and which was published in the press today as I understand it, that OCP have enlisted Wilson Architecture to provide the design on a landmark office development of over 100,000sq ft. Reports that OCP had entered discussions with Tommy Maher regarding his adjoining premises to the west (which he purchased from OFC previously), the CSPCA and the proprietors of the Tyre Fitting premises. The possibility that OCP will commence discussions with the Simon Community premises to the east, would open the potential for an impressive development site. The office building is expected to peak at up to 6-storeys and be built of a large basement car-park for between 130 to 150 cars with retail usage on the ground floor.
Perhaps impressed with Wilson Architecture efforts across the river at St. Patrick’s Quay for Paul Kenny, OCP will now seek to replicate a similarly impressive quayside structure. The Anderson’s Quay development will be flanked by new developments at Clontarf Street (revised drawings expected to be submitted soon), Deane Street and Lapps Quay. A planning application on this new proposal is not likely until sometime early in the new year.
would be nice if ocallaghans took in the simon site as well. it may give the simon community the money and opportunity to fund a nice high quality city facility in an alternative location and allow for the quayside at andersons to be revitalised. probably wont happen but who knows mr ocallaghan has surprised us all before!!! it also brings ocallaghans into the frame in a part of the city both howard and oflynns were quick to move on. howard have something of a near monopoly in the district with oflynns not far behind (by the way hear oflynns are taking the unlimited liability path! oooo!) very anxious to see how albert quay turns out. will oflynns and/or ascon get a say or will howard dominate the quayside as they pretty much down at city quarter? i cant wait to find out! the area is finally starting to look like a real city. and whats impressed me most is how it still seems to have managed to maintain its cork character. a credit to the design and development teams. the city should look well this end in a few years. what do careys have up their sleeve back on albert quay??
@who_me wrote:
While I’m very much in favour of preserving the green areas in the city, this is a real kick in the teeth for Munster. I’m sure the development of that land would have provided a good deal of cash towards a much needed refurbishment of Musgrave and/or Thomond Park. This must surely decrease the value of the lands significantly.
Incidentally, I just read elsewhere that Nemo Rangers have supposedly just sold their pitches (not very far from Musgrave Park). Do similar restrictions not apply there, or could someone have purchased them for recreational purposes? Highly unlikely, I’d have thought.
point accepted but in fairness its not wilsons best design by any stretch. difficult site yes, loss of the cash for munster rugby yes, but it doesnt suit the site. besides it would have meant a loss of all those nice trees. im very sure munster rugby have a few tricks up their sleeves re musgrave park for us yet. theyre a talented bunch of lads at wilsons and if the issue is addressed again im sure they can come up with a nice lil gem.
and now for a joke why not…
what do you call 2 apples???
a pair!!! (or pear!!!) whichever reads funnier. hmmm it seemed a lot funnier when my friends when my friends were crawling out of the pub over the jazz weekend. 😀
a uniform height at horgans qy would be bland and very boring. lets hope the odd tall building gets the all clear. a nice design would go down well.
good news on victoria cross. i see top car is doing the market at the moment. its a nice site with good frontage but clearly the taller elements of any desugn there would have to consider impacts to the eastern section of the site which borders housing. did a drawing on this site out of my own boredom donkeyears ago and think its important to use the curvature of the roadfrontage. a nice little riverwalk to the east could go down nice.also a buddy of mine says work shouldnt be too long on the clontarf st site. a new design says he. height reductions to the south there be. and why be i talkin like a pirate??? argh. 😀 perhaps the result of my excessive red bull intake.
its november so academy st shouldnt be too long i take it! dying to get a good gawk at that thing.now im off to do whatever it is i do…………………………
its a right farse. as joe gavin said, where are the suburbs exactly??? this uniform policy undermines cork corporation as a local authority and only gives abp more controle over development issues in cork. and what of land values? in order to justify the cost of sites unit prices will fly up. how exclusionary. isnt part of the reason behind part v of the planning act to create a mix of tenancy in larger residential developments to stop the formation of the ghettos them residents are screamin over??? well in isolating the type of persons who can afford accommodation in the suburbs arent the councillors and lobby residents propelling the formation of such? i thought our public representatives were suppose to look out for the greater good of all their constituents not just their own selfish interests. im so disappointed. like brian birmingham said its not as if developments in the suburbs have been slapbang in the middle of housing estates, they have been on otherwise derelict or former warehousing industrial sites which were eyesores or wastes. the impact of the developments have been exageratted tremendously. fair play to him and colm burke for being among the few councillors with some decent common sense and with their constituents genuinely at heart.
@lexington wrote:
The same source also indicated that at this moment in time, no set date had been agreed on for lodgement of a planning application despite rumours and media reports to the contrary.
cant say im surprised about the no planning date. think ccc would be foolish to not negotiate on building heights a standard 7 storeys would be utterly boring and difficult to make financially sustainable. as for the offices i agree with manor park here. they should concentrate that sort of development on a phased basis according to the market demand across the river in the south docklands anyway.
as for dunnes, i have to say it looks pretty darn good. im actually impressed. should do those streets no end of favours. never thought id say it but well done bertie pope and well done dunnes. a big pretty lemon in the middle of our city! yummy!
still academy street is gonne have to top that ten fold given its prominence, stature and location. oooo the tension!@Richards wrote:
Does this fit in with the idea of Aer Lingus being a budget airline? Airlines need to focus on the idea of flying people around efficiently not building nice head offices.
their hq is only a part element of the overall project. the proposal is much more about maximising the value of their leased land at dublin airport rather than a swanky new office. there is office space for let, hotel, retail, leisure and parking elements all design to provide strategic returns for aer lingus on lands that are currently falling well below the development and investment potential.
@lexington wrote:
I’ve posted a new thread with images of the Aer Lingus HQ redevelopment. See New Aer Lingus HQ thread for those visuals. It is a dramatic looking development indeed. Another interesting Henry J. Lyons & Partners design is on the Earthquake Property proposal for Knockrabo in Dublin – well worth investigating.
great looking piece(s)! nice pics there too lex, have a few of my own too but they do it well justice! like i said if anybody wants to know what i want for christmas, its that in the southern docklands of cork. the knockrabo development is a great lookin too. well done to the the henry j boys and perhaps we may see one or 2 of these kind of high imagination designs of theirs grace cork in the future now theyve an office here and all. 😉
ya know, if abp had shown some real insight, they would have cut that block (dont know which one, the one visualised up in those images with the sloping facade) by about 2 storeys and shift block a to the west by a few metres rather than cutting it and allowing the rest of the development proceed as proposed. that would have been a far more intelligent method of maintaining the views of st. finbars cathedral and maintaining the quality of the overall development in its original form.
however if abp grant water st it all its glory i’ll take my criticism above back!!!! hehe.
by the way speaking of henry j lyons, has anyone seen their plans for the redeveloped aer lingus hq in dublin airport??! wow!!!!!! thats what i want to see in the cork docklands!!!!!! great use of multi coloured lighting to at night really adds to the magic of the overall design and brings life and depth to the structure.
@lexington wrote:
Also, just in the interests of accuracy, it may be worth accounting for the fact that some sources are now indicating that the lodgement date for the Gehl Architects/Project Architects design on Academy Street for O’Callaghan Properties may be later than anticipated or quoted above – possibly early November. However that is yet to be confirmed.
hopefully gehl will bring a little style to this project design. project architects can go either way as far as im concerned and im counting on that they go all out for academy st cos its a highly significant development in any respect and this should be a signature building for the ocallaghan portfolio. im hoping ocallaghan properties recent tendancy to seek higher design quality is reflected and topped by this effort, respecting both its location and significance as well as respecting its composite and surrounding buildings, many of which are historic and architecturally rich in nature.
@lexington wrote:
🙂 Not so long ago I noted that Dunnes Stores would be looking to build on its discussions with CCC by lodging an application for the redevelopment of it’s “birth” store premises along St. Patrick’s Street. Well, Dunnes Stores are now ready to lodge that very application for a massive €30m redevelopment of the historic premises. Dunnes will seek to demolish all existing structures on its 0.024 hectare site bounded by Bowling Green Street to the west, William O’Brien Street to the east, Drawbridge Street to the north and Saint Patrick’s Street to the south – however the St. Patrick’s Street facades at numbers 103, 104 and 105 will be retained and incorporated into this impressive new scheme. Permission will seek to construct a new 6-storey over basement commercial and retail building with convenience retail (predominantly grocery, off-licence etc) at basement level and comparison retail over the remaining 5 levels – among which, a new public restaurant facility will be provided. The gross floor area of the new project will total 13, 863m sq and is located across Bowling Green Street from a new €150m retail, residential and office development set to be lodged by O’Callaghan Properties later in October. This project signals the 1st of at least 3 new major retail development projects earmarked for the Patrick’s Street area over the coming months and years. Design on the project is by Bertie Pope & Associates.
The Dunnes Stores redevelopment site can be seen hightlighted in blue.(Images and further details soon.)
lets just hope that mr pope brings us something phenomenonally more tasteful than his student accommodation attempt at victoria cross for flemings!!! this is pana after all boys!
also i havent seen the magee creedon design on sheares st yet myself but they usually bring something imaginative to their work so i look forward to seeing how it looks.
also sorry for stealing anyones thunder here but i heard mccarthys are frontrunners for the revenue beauties, even so im secretly holding out for kenny on this one! 😉
great looking piece. im more of a curves and twists person myself (a la gehry or calatrava) and omp have a very simple sort of approach to their designs but they do simple well and the dennehys cross project shines in that context. love the use of exaggerated sharp angles, they bring a little distinction and fun to a generally standard design. good use of the site too. the green corridor breaks up the blocks nicely a provides for nice sunlight penetration at varying times of the day. pity omp didnt show the same flair at blackrock.
and radioactiveman i think frinailla are steadily becoming more design conscious and it shows. nice to see. ocallaghans and oflynns seem to be heading that direction too and its very positive for cork as a whole. if obrien/oflynn and fleming catch up now too we’ll be flying it!!! 😉 i hope frinailla keep demanding more of their design teams and aim for more innovative shapes and forms, as for all the other big developers. it’ll be important for their business and development environments more and more so as things progress because i think the public at large are themselves becoming more design conscious and demand higher standards from developers.
@altuistic wrote:
I think were i too drink from the Seine i may as well admit myself to the nearest hospital in expectancy!!
and if you fell into the river youd also be inseine!!! 😀 seriously i am my own best company.
anyway as far as the event centre goes i do know that there was once a plan for blackash but thats scrapped now. another event centre was pitched for the showgrounds but that seems stagnant now for what i gather, all the talk i hear says other developers are circling it and the gaa like vultures. the ford site would be sweet too but that would require “the big money” and i dont know if the land value + development and operational costs would make such a project there viable unless it was incoporated in with other development uses. apparently manor park homes & treasury holdings promised to look into the centre for horgans quay but was that simply just a polite gesture to the city council before they turn around and say hey, sorry, but it aint gonna happen? paul montgomery was looking to it at one stage, maybe he got achatting with mickey o’d and sort somethin out for horgans quay???
thats enough brain power for me for one day. think ill ly down for awhile.
@lexington wrote:
😮 Another high-rise plan is set to be lodged soon with CCC – this time the proposal is set for Victoria Cross.
When I previously mentioned other high-rise plans were in formulation for Cork, I had some idea of this project however, I’ll be honest I was unaware it would be going for planning so soon. Developers Barry O’Connor and Robert Kennedy will apply to demolish their Crow’s Nest premises along with Victoria Terrace (1 to 4) and the M.P. Crowley premises to the rear of the famous pub’s car-park. The development will consist of a mixed residential and commercial building generally 6-storeys but with a landmark 15-storey tower all over a dual-deck basement car-park for 112 spaces, accessed from the Carrigrohane ‘Straight’ Road. The elements of the development contain 74 apartments (6 one bedroom, 64 two bedroom and 4 three-bedroom), 4 ground floor commercial units totalling 937.8m sq, a new ground floor pub, deli area and 1st floor restaurant which is believed will continue the Crow’s Nest operation. A terrace garden will be provided for residents on the first floor level. The development is positioned in an area zoned suitable for high-rise development – however it will be a tough planning ride given the nature of surrounding residencies and the protected structure status of Cork County Hall which the new tower will pose in front of. The Crow’s Nest premises, somewhat of a local institution, was almost destroyed by fire damage last year – some restoration efforts were put in place, but halted in light of this new development prospect. McCutheon Mulcahy are acting Planning Consultants on the project. Images and more details soon.
View east to west of the Crow’s Nest and Victoria Terrace – with Cork County Hall in the background.whoa! i leave the internet for 1 min and look what happens! hehe. i dunno im gonna need to see some pretty impressive pics to be convinced by this one!
can any1 else forsee the problems on this one?? can you imagine it; early morning county hall, staff on the 14th floor look out their office window to be greeted by the sight of a hairy, balding middle-aged man dressed only in his y-fronts doing his morning stretches by his west facing apartment window…not that im saying i will be buying an apartment in the development, but the prospect is…a little uncomfortable. that is unless the apartment is that of an attractive 22yr old blonde swedish lingerie model, in which case im all in favour of this project and will be applying for a job at county hall as soon as the crows nest project gets the go ahead! 😀
im genuinely delighted by the news on the school of music. only hope it gets underway as soon as possible. this project has been stalled for too long and its a shame the students and city at large has been deprived of such a facility. the design always appeared a little bulky to me but i have to say it grows on ya and i think it will add to the city in its own unique way.
as for the plans involving oliver plunkett st, patricks street, grand parade, english mkt and all that i have to say the idea is appealing but it will have to be most sensitive and careful about how its put together. all in all a good day.
@yorktown wrote:
Bit harsh, there’s nothing wrong with a mechanic giving advice to a neurosurgeon, OK the patient may die but still, if the neurosurgeon is mad in the first place what’s the harm………
hey! my mechanic is a surgeon…well sort of, hes got a sign over the garage door saying ‘free colonic irrigation while you wait’. i went in to get my transmission sorted recently and both me and my car came out feeling fresh and revitalised!
i dont buy that planners think their god argument, sorry. i know all too well the problems some planners cause but as an architect i will tell you first off that a good design takes an empirical view and pre-empts planner queries. indeed i have found some planners quite arrogant but that should not overshade a number of other generally reasonable characters – hey, i’ll be first to admit theres quite a lot of arrogant persons in our profession too! i have had cases though were planners have been outright ill considerated and domineering and i empathise in such cases. in cork i have been watching some of the planners progress and conditions…a few moves have boggled me, others i can see their point. but hey its the cards we’re dealt with and theres always the appeal board. in conclusion, i need sleep.
if anyone was down in horgans qy today you may have seen some very curious activity…oooo exciting. my friend bet me 20 they were taking backgrounds for a photomontage!!!!! :p
@brainscan wrote:
WHAT! The Brog.. Gorbys … Gone! 😮
Where are we going to go now when we want to relive our twenties :confused:em….yeaaah, “twenties”, thats what i told the bouncers too… 😀 more like my early teens that place!
havent heard anything of it being bought, is this another one of those brown thomas bought scotts rumours??? and apartments?? doubtful.@A-ha wrote:
Why would someone lodge an appeal against such a gorgeous building.
oh..oh dear god…where, where do i even begin to start pointing out whats wrong with that question… ya see…no…havent you ever heard of…no…whats it…ugh i give up. 😀
only messing aha. its not about the look of the building sometimes, its got to do with issues of property rights, or value fears, entitlements to rights etc etc etc and sometimes just plain arrogance or petty hidden agendas. but hey thats for the inspectors to decide. and also remember lex said that paul kenny lodged a 1st party appeal himself anyway. 3rd parties just make it a little trickier-rer-rer-rer.
but yes i agree its unfortunate. im really routing for this building and i agree it would transform this particular quayside immensely. suppose all we can do is hope for the best. 😉
