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All the information, including what happened to all designs.
And the publication (web would be cheaper) and paul is already half way there. Should include every design.
Even those that were disqualfied and didnt make it infront of the jury.Apart from these articles there has been no actual proof of anything regarding this competition.
and from my experience you cant trust a journalist as far as you could throw them
they will simply head for the best story and edit out anything they dont understand or doesnt fit with what they are trying to get out of it.
New pictures in show that el architinos tower is equipped with sophsticated laser weaponry that will pose an imminent threat to national security.
Beware.
We must placate him with gifts of seedless grapes and young virgins
where did the obsession with ships come from.
If you want to build a ship go build a ship!
but know that it wont be anything as elegant as one of the tall shps or anything that features in the contemporary sailing world.
That pointy prow is just ridiculous.
when was the last time a boat was built that looks anything like that.
anyone heard of aero or hydro dynamics.
streamlining.
I have given up on ireland.
And dublin especially
Can no one stand up to the irrelevance of mr libeskinds proposals.
Would be nice to see the other three shortlisted entries.
But maybe they might be to much of an assault on my eyes.didnt libeskind do a design for the pier four years ago??
Is this a different design, or just recycled.
The 3d image looks a little dated to say the least.
Only fourteen submissions!
Was it an anonymous entry/tender process.
Is there no competition on this planet that can avoid succombing to the “superstar” architects and select something with cultural relevance rahter than slashy lightning diagonal windows that are just so holocaust museum.
Been there done that.
Move on.
PUBLIC ENQUIRY PLEASE.
MORE INFORMATION NNEDED.
OTHERWISE THE PETITION PROTEST PROCESS BEGINS AGAIN
Bastardo
When did this become about two “both” parties.
Who are these parties.3W and the DDDA
Burdonne dunne and craig henry
U and 2
RAIA RIBA
ONes lawyers the others lawyers
Conservatives-Labour
Bush and SadamWho knows who is going to hijack this whole issue.
This is a very complex situation with at 595 interested parties who deserve a refund of the EURO 100 entry fee and a full written apology.
This is not about two firms fighting over the rights to build a tower.
This is about a method of procurement that has raised serious questions about the nature of anonymous (or otherwise) competitions.
And to be honest having witnessed this whole saga I would be extremely wary of entering into any agreement with the DDDA.
If I was the “original” winner I would not sign any contract with the DDDA. No matter how much money or prestige is involved.
Stand up for some principles. Find out the truth but do not have anything to do with those people who are trying to/have tried to cover up the situation.
Say thanks for the compliment and move on.
Everyone seems to be acting in completely selfish interests with the only loser being the truth.
Even if 3W were the original winner. Their entry was not validated.
Personally I do not believe that 3W design was the original winner. Until I see an independently published audit of the proces with documentation of hard copy format and a signed affidavit from all the jury members.
Until then Its an open question. And the lack of an entry fee is something that is a key question here.
(as outlined by the DDDA on their website following the initial comments regardin number of entries and various disqualifications)
How many people submitted designs without the entry fee?
The answer is 12.
How many of these were succesfully traced prior to the judging process commencing.
The answer is 11.
There is one entry that in their original statement (now removed form the website) that did not have an entry fee and they were unable to verify whether it had been paid or trace (through third parties or otherwise).
This entry was apparently disqualified, along with the 42 late entries.
This situation therfore was hanging in the balance right from the first statement.
My understanding is this.
That somehow this single unpaid entry: Managed to somehow (god only knows how) slip through the system and come before the jury.
That 3W claim that they defnitely (triple checked) paid the entry fee and have a receipt that their entry was fuly in order and the money received? Means that unless the DDDA lost the record of the entry fee or the entry fee itself. Then the original winner is not 3W.
And that there is another firm out there, who may or may not have paid the entry fee, and somehow got through to the judges. AND ARE STILL AT LARGE
A NOD (from someone close to the jury) IS NOT ENOUGH CONFIRMATION.
MANY OF THE SCHEMES ARE VERY SIMILAR.
SOME ARE WIDELY VARIEDHOW MANY DISQUALIFIED ENTRANTS ARE STILL UNNACOUNTED FOR.
JUST PUBLISH THE ENTRY FOR CHRISTS SAKE.
PEOPLE JUST WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH
What language are you speaking.
I didnt understand a single word of the whole post.
I will re read it but i fear yo are too mixed up in metaphor land.
Is this a cry for help.
Are you lost?
No idea where you are coming from.
Ok.
we got a “way off topic” rating. (Thanks Paul) do we get a gold star if we get the thread back on topic.
Anyway I will try my best.Violence of any kind is not the answer, And this is exemplified by pepe’s attitude towards the peaceful protest. Save for his own arrest there were no other problems at the demonstration. In fact whilst the nature of teh protest is a serious one. A good deal of fun was had by all. Free wine flowed like the liffey and ben elton cracked some good jokes.
The demonstration lasted well into the night. Although pepe was unable to witness it as he was in his cell. which was actually quite comfortable (and safe) all things considered.El architino should be reminded of the numerous atrocities that have occured since world war 2. And that whilst world war two succeeded in the defeat of an evil man and his troops. Many young men (and women) gave their lives to acheive this and their commitments should not be taken lightly or in vain.
Pepe does not advocate any form of physical violence, even “in self defense” there are always alternative options and even as a last resort one should employ techniques learned through monty pythons flying circus before even laying a finger on a single hair.
The Knights who say nee conquered huge swathes of europe without raising a single blade. And this demonstrates the power of persuasion and pyschological warfare. Their unfortunate name change to the Knights of echiechiechifetang whilst increasing their syllable count actually forms the basis for their disbandment, with many mis pronunciations leading to confusion and splinter.Their simple demands for shrubberies and Rockeries were often met with jeers. But these are things which actively improve the quality of life for people in the local area.
BAck to the Topic.
No statement from the DDDA it seems?
Continue Downloading.
Continue DemonstratingWe do not expect that the “original” winner will be reinstated.
But we do believe there should be a full and open enquiry into the issues at hand.
The main problem here is the deiberate with-holding of information.
Let it be free.
Pass the doobie.
The camera never lies.
I assure you that this is an original photograph with no manipulation of any kind.
It was taken with my trust Kodak Brownie (Which you cannot to my knoweldge get colour film for) on 9th of October 2003 at approximately 1am.
Any lack of picture quality “funny focus” is entirely due to the conditions whilst taking the photograph.
AS you may be able to tell from perspective/viewpoint I am standing above the crowd on a 6ft high wall. I was physically removed by the “garda” who have it seems been tipped off as to my identity and spent the night in a cell. Having been released (with no charges) this morning I went straight to my darkroom and processed the film myself. I have the original negatives infront of me, but as you will appreciate I will not be able to offer any other proof of the authenticity of this (and the other images), unless you want to meet up. But at this point i would warn you that this could be extremely dangerous.
There are alot of people who are not happy about the level of outcry regarding these matters.
I am leaving Dublin for the weekend in the hope that things will cool down a bit.
I will be travelling my jamaican passport and am heading for warmer climes.
I do not understand what you are talking about “april” for and i suggest you visit your psychiatrist or optician to deal with some unresolved issues.
If anyone knows of a good lawyer I would like to make a complaint regarding my wrongful arrest. No records were logged by any of the police involved in my capture but I had a single shot of film left the resulting picture of me inside a cell can be used as evidence.
b ray:
The peaceful protest has been a great success.
Over 1000 people turned up with banners flyers and placards. Many made from the selection of information made available. Others created their own. Including Photographs of the Jury Members and Dublin Docklands Authority Figures.
It was wonderful to see such solidarity within the architectural and indeed the Dublin Community as a whole. Many people in attendence were not architects.
And it seems that the pressure to release information has pushed the DDDA into making a statement today.“Paul Clerkin
Irish-architecture.comRegistered: Mar 1999
Location: Dublin, IrelandThere is a statement being issued on Friday”
Heres one of the shots from the Quays.
Thanks to everbody who turned up.
still in denial?
NEWS
U2 Tower Design Takes Centre Stage
October 7th, 2003Submitted as part of the international U2 Tower Architectural Design Competition, the 100+ shortlisted entries will be exhibited at the IFSC in Docklands from October 9th – 19th. The top 4 commended entries and the winning design by Burdon Dunne Architects/Craig Henry Architects of Dublin will also be on display.
The winner of the competition organised by the Docklands Authority to design a landmark tower development at Britain Quay in Dublin’s Docklands was announced in August. The winning design featuring a unique twisting tower was selected from well over 500 entries from across the globe. The proposed tower is to include an exclusive recording studio for U2 on its top two floors.
The Docklands Authority is currently reviewing development options for the proposed concept design and it is hoped that the tower would be developed during 2004/2005.
The jury specially commended a further four entries which will also be on display as follows:
• Simon Innes and Stephen Barton, architects, London, United Kingdom • Thomas P. Mont Alto, Mont Alto Architecture Inc., Ohio, USA • Niall Scott, architect, Scott Tallon Walker Architects, Dublin, Ireland • Hervé Tordjman, HTA – Architecture. H. Tordjman & Partners, Paris, France The competition, which was prepared in association with the RIAI, invited architects to submit concept proposals for a slim “point†block over four or more substantial floors providing recording studios, offices and ground floor bar/restaurant/entertainment venue. Entries were submitted to a jury put together by the Docklands Authority which included a member of the U2 band.
The exhibition will be housed in a temporary art gallery from October 9th – 19th on Excise Walk in the IFSC (opposite the Clarion Hotel). Opening hours are Monday – Saturday, 11am to 5pm and Sunday, 12 midday to 5pm.
still in denial
NEWS
U2 Tower Design Takes Centre Stage
October 7th, 2003Submitted as part of the international U2 Tower Architectural Design Competition, the 100+ shortlisted entries will be exhibited at the IFSC in Docklands from October 9th – 19th. The top 4 commended entries and the winning design by Burdon Dunne Architects/Craig Henry Architects of Dublin will also be on display.
The winner of the competition organised by the Docklands Authority to design a landmark tower development at Britain Quay in Dublin’s Docklands was announced in August. The winning design featuring a unique twisting tower was selected from well over 500 entries from across the globe. The proposed tower is to include an exclusive recording studio for U2 on its top two floors.
The Docklands Authority is currently reviewing development options for the proposed concept design and it is hoped that the tower would be developed during 2004/2005.
The jury specially commended a further four entries which will also be on display as follows:
• Simon Innes and Stephen Barton, architects, London, United Kingdom • Thomas P. Mont Alto, Mont Alto Architecture Inc., Ohio, USA • Niall Scott, architect, Scott Tallon Walker Architects, Dublin, Ireland • Hervé Tordjman, HTA – Architecture. H. Tordjman & Partners, Paris, France The competition, which was prepared in association with the RIAI, invited architects to submit concept proposals for a slim “point†block over four or more substantial floors providing recording studios, offices and ground floor bar/restaurant/entertainment venue. Entries were submitted to a jury put together by the Docklands Authority which included a member of the U2 band.
The exhibition will be housed in a temporary art gallery from October 9th – 19th on Excise Walk in the IFSC (opposite the Clarion Hotel). Opening hours are Monday – Saturday, 11am to 5pm and Sunday, 12 midday to 5pm.
pepe would like to inform el architino that the exhibition of entries opened over an hour ago and that he should (as guest of honour) be supping the wine and working his magic on the lovely ladies.
we all acknowledge tht el archintino as executive producer of “pop architect” as directed by pepe will have his own scheme included in the proceedings. and will of course be the winner!
beating the other schemes including those proposed by mr fog
but we deny that any impropriety has occured on the parts of pepe or el architino and that whilst the schemes have already been published the anonymity of the competitors wil be of paramount importance.
and that the judging process will be held in a topsecret location (abandoned basement) and the panel will be made up of darren brown,david blaine and paul daniels.
We have thus been unable to contact uri geller but obviously once we do lacate hium he will be the chairman of the jury.
we will not pay the jury for their time, but we will offer them a magicians circle to be located as a halo floating above the statues head.
pepe would like to inform el architino that the exhibition of entries opened over an hour ago and that he should (as guest of honour) be supping the wine and working his magic on the lovely ladies.
we all acknowledge tht el archintino as executive producer of “pop architect” as directed by pepe will have his own scheme included in the proceedings. and will of course be the winner!
beating the other schemes including those proposed by mr fog
but we deny that any impropriety has occured on the parts of pepe or el architino and that whilst the schemes have already been published the anonymity of the competitors wil be of paramount importance.
and that the judging process will be held in a topsecret location (abandoned basement) and the panel will be made up of darren brown,david blaine and paul daniels.
We have thus been unable to contact uri geller but obviously once we do lacate hium he will be the chairman of the jury.
we will not pay the jury for their time, but we will offer them a magicians circle to be located as a halo floating above the statues head.
and pass that doubie
it is very rare to find someone of el architino’s stature who whilst normally good natured and kind, will persecture someone. but its damn funny
see you on O’connor st mrs lister
I’ll be wearing a pair of “the fly” sunglasses and will have my prostheric microphone attatched to my left hand.
drink them dry
It truly is a sad day when those who were previously “revolutionary” become ingratiated by business interests (their own or others). And whilst they may meet presidents and petition against global injustices they are not willing to take a look in their own back yard and indeed on their own front door step or within their own house and deal with the problems at hand.
We all know that a certain band would have enough money to buy the land, select their own choice of architect from all the schemes, and build a tower that dublin deserves. The question is whether the other organisation would sell the land in the first place. And whether they would block a planning application.
U2 spokesman:BD Feb 14th 2003
“i’m sure you can appreciate that the members of U2 operate as individuals”
oh really.
I can see them doing that right now.
SHAME ON YOU . ALL OF YOU. SHAME ON YOU
