Paris Jack
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@vkid wrote:
Park Point and Punches are underway.
I like a lot of whats taking place at the moment. A few I’m not crazy about. Coonagh Cross for example is looking poor but I don’t think the city is any “more drab”. O’Connel Street and William Street need work..in a hurry!Well that’s good news anyway. I suppose when it comes right down to it the best way to look at all this development is in a positive light, as much as some of it is very frustrating indeed! I mean if you look back ten or fifteen years to Henry Street and along the quays especially, there was absolutely nothing there, so when you look at it from that perspective then yes, things are going in the right direction! At least something is happening, which is better than nothing, right?
Well, I don’t know Limerick City the way you guys do, but I do wish the city all the best in the future! It deserves that much at least! O’Connell Street badly needs a lot of TLC!
Are any of these projects actually in the process of being built? Anyone have any news about when they are starting work on O’Connell Street?
Just come back from holidays in Russia/Ukraine (stress related I may add), come on here and can’t understand one word of what anyone’s talking about!:confused: I have read the last two pages and I am as wise as ever!:confused: This is attached to that and that is attached to this…. WHAT???:confused:
Thanks for the pix and renders though Mike….but I have to ask you a question: How is it if people who actually live in Limerick are telling you that all this “development” is rubbish and making Limerick City even more drab (if that’s possible?) then how come you seem to be unwilling or unable to accept this? I’m NOT trying to start an arguement here with you, have a go at anyone or take sides with anyone…I’m just curious about this as it is very apparent!
@shanekeane wrote:
i’m not sure whether you’re saying the stuff in the photographs above is good, but if you are, you need to get your head examined. The stuff above has made limerick even more drab than it was (if such a thing was possible)
@CologneMike wrote:
Ah……’tis Mr. Mischief himself! Alias who? Alias who?
Nothing personally like but if you have a multi poster or personality disorder then get your own head examined.
By the way St Joseph’s is a cut-stone building and is absolutely red brick free.:rolleyes:
@shanekeane wrote:
what in god’s name are you talking about?
It’s not all rubbish, there are a lot of positive things happening at least, but as I’ve said many times, a lot of it is cheap-ass crap and people should recognise that fact! Is it any wonder why people who come on this forum physically feel angry and frustrated!? People ignore that and just want to brush over it!
But what the hell is everyone on about? :confused: NOT negative, but lets give some HONEST opinions here, huh?
Just for the record, the Punchess Cross development is interesting, not bad at all, except for that brown crap at the front!:mad:
Sounds nice, but how far along is/are the Island Field from the City Centre? And what would you do with these criminals? Ship them out of course… but you know, some poor, honest, hard-working decent people will end up with this scum right next door!? Neighbours from hell and all that! 🙁 Not right is it?
@justnotbothered wrote:
I’ve nothing against progressive developments, but surely the recent flooding in England has proved for once and for the all the ultimate stupidity in building on flood plains and wetlands. These places exist for a reason.
Considering the length of time it took to build Riverpoint, 13 storeys, I think you’re being over optimistic that the developer, is actually serious about this. Chances are he really wants to build a new steam boat quay but wants to sell it as lower Manhattan.
Justnotbohered, my whole point here is that with enough money anything is possible! In fact, I have little or no idea of what developers in Ireland are planning for Limerick City (apart from some professional colleagues I know on a personal basis in Europe). I only know what’s going on through you guys on this forum!
Believe it or not, I am a conservationist at heart, so I know where you’re coming from about those wetlands. Oddly enough I happen to be on both sides of the fence when it comes to Limerick… I know you have to pick a side but it’s hard to say the least. I would just love to “see” Limerick City really open up, expand and become a truly wonderful riverside city… The potential is there…it just needs to be executed properly!
Maybe you can have your cake and eat it all at once…hmm…??? I mean, how many more great plots are there between Riverpoint and Sarsfield Bridge for building high-rise buildings? Not many huh? Same on the opposite bank, what with the Hilton and those new apartments, so I guess developers will have to start looking beyond Shannon Bridge… Behind the Clarion there is a great deal of access to build many new and exciting high-rise buildings – including a Marina! A Marina behind the Clarion would be so perfect! Lets face it, the docks are dead!!! No point in going there! Limerick City must move forward and expand, I’m absolutely convinced of it! Then again, if they cleared that entire Arthurs Quay area and that damn ugly building behind it (tax office?) then you could quite easily put lots of high-rise buildings down there, huh? Take out Dunnes Stores by Sarsfield Bridge also and bring that into the picture as well and turn that whole area into something very exciting and worthwhile!
If I was to get personally involved in a development of this size in Limerick then this is one option I would definitely look at! I’d flatten everything in that whole area and put up buildings that will put a big smile on peoples’ faces! Lots of residential and commercial space, entertainment, quality shopping etc etc! Make the city centre exciting and a place where people (and not just from Limerick either) want to come to and spend time in!:)
@justnotbothered wrote:
As I mentioned last week, there’s been more discussions about building on the Westfields nature reserve. The plan seem completely unrealistic but we must be vigilant against this type of development, regardless of how unlikely it seems.
32-storey icon planned for pier
You can’t stop progress! No-matter how hard you try to stop developments like this you’re just going to have to live with it in the end! If developers with enough power and money start making plans for these sensitive sites then it’s only a matter of time before it happens! If you think this is completely unrealistic then you have no idea mate! A 32-storey building is nothing thesedays for Gods sake! Whether it’s in the those wetlands or not! I agree these wetlands should be protected, but I also believe in the growth that Limerick City has to make in the 21st century! I personally know several major developers (not including my uncle) who have been keeping their eyes on some of these stretches of riverbank… so don’t be surprised if one of these days you see a fifty or sixty-storey icon somewhere in those wetlands! A development of this magnitude can be incorporated into the wetlands quite easily actually… and you know, if certain people in Limerick don’t like it then they do have the option of moving to Cork, or Dublin!
The reality here is about MONEY!!! You wave enough of it around and you’ll see exactly what you’ll end up with! And if you think a few local cavemen “politicians” are going to put their foot on on then don’t kid yourself! Where there is massive construction/development and money there is also massive corruption! They can’t exist without each other! But try telling some people that! The thing is also, I know for a fact (100%) that there are major developments such as these coming to Limerick… so like it or not, things are going to change a lot more than you might ever imagine!
Oh anyone know who is handling the sales side of these apartments? Riverpoint Phase 2, I mean. I’ll bet they’re real expensive too! But I feel they’ll be worth it simply because of the location! An excellent investment without doubt! Will fetch a small fortune on resale! I just hope the quality of the build and the specifications inside and out are top notch! They do look very nice though, should be a great deal of interest from investors, business entrepreneurs and the such!
How many apartments are there in Phase 2?
Great pics Mike!!! That’s more like it! Did you take these yourself? I was waiting to see some real quality pics of Riverpoint, especially Phase 2! Got some friends here at the moment who are looking them over! Those are the best pics I’ve ever seen of Riverpoint!
Thanks!:D
@justnotbothered wrote:
I’m not intentionally being patronising, but lets remember what this thread is for, it’s to discuss and debate the developments in Limerick, not to engage in abusive arguments. It’s not up to the other posters to accomadate your bursts of temper, valid or not. I don’t mind where you’re from, as long as you have an interest in Limerick then that’s all that’s needed for this thread.
I don’t really know which other posters engage in the behaviour I criticised, some do, I was replying to your points about Mike and JM above.
I can accept that. I do only come on here to see what’s going on in Limerick basically, because I am genuinely interested, so for now, I can only give my opinion on what I see, and hear.
But I feel it is unfair of you to just have a go at me, when there are others at the top this page doing the same thing I have been accused of! How come you’re not telling jimg or Mike the same thing? What about their points towards me?
@justnotbothered wrote:
I’m speaking from experience, I’m a mod on a different board and we often have to remove libelous material.
Of course you have a right to express and defend yourself, but it’s a complete turn-off to considered debate to be confronted with a barrage of personal abuse. It’s hard to take serious points on board when they are expressed in a scatter-shot manner with a liberal use of seemingly random “swear” words.
As far as I can see, most other posters refrain from using offensive personal insults, you often don’t. it only makes your argument look weak. The best way to counter a point you disagree with it is to set out rationally, concisely why you consider it to be flawed.
Look justnotbothered, you don’t have to patronize me, alright? I do understand what you are saying, and how to make my point, even if I do get a little crazy at times! I know it’s not cool, and I do feel bad afterwards, believe it or not, it’s just that I have inherited my father’s short fuse when it comes to certain things …
As you said, most, but not all posters refrain from such behaviour, so again, why aren’t you telling them also?
I suppose I’m not Irish, or Limerick enough, huh? My mother is Parisian, so maybe I’m just not green enough???
@justnotbothered wrote:
Paris Jack, this is a private messageboard, it’s not a democracy and you aren’t entitled to free speech here, as what you say can get the owners of this site sued. You might be unable to express yourself without using offensive language and terms of abuse in the real world, but around here, it only makes you look like a short tempered fantasist.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you should limit yourself to criticising other’s opinions not actually criticising other people.
Now, for the love of God, discuss things like an adult and stop the continual invective.
First time I ever heard anyone say that! Not entitled to free speech I mean. Fair enough, but why are you only telling me? There are others on here throwing abuse around also! Oh I can express myself perfectly well without having to use offensive language, but why should I just sit back and take abuse from others? I do have the right to stand up for myself…or do I?
@PoxyShamrock wrote:
Guys I come onto this thread looking to find out about the developments popping up in the shannonside NOT f**king catfights.
So can we please just stop?I totally agree, but just as long as everyone on here has equal rights! Is that too much to ask for?
@jimg wrote:
ParisJack, you really have some neck to be criticising or questioning CologneMike. If it wasn’t for his contributions in particular (along with those of some others like Tuborg, justnotbothered and more recently GMiley), this thread would be dead long ago. If your contributions had even 10% of the value of his, they’d be welcome. For me, your contributions, while prolific, are of negative value as the thread would actually improve if all your posts were to disappear.
The lack of self-awareness is simply shocking if you think your postings are “out-spoken, no-bullshit” additions to the thread and that your saying something “that needs to be said for the sake of Limerick”. They are just randomly directed unconstructive incoherent general rants and ramblings. This combined with your inexplicable need to regularly restate pompously that you are successful at whatever it is you do makes for an unattractive package overall. I generally try to ignore everything you write and I’ve successfully resisted the temptation to respond to the more inane of your ramblings since our last exchange of views but I’m worried your contributions might actually kill off this thread particularly when you start attacking the most valuable contributor to this thread.
Ahhahahah…you really are a funny guy jimg! You should try stand-up sometime. How long did it take for you to write that pile of nonsensical monkey crap? Did you get out your mommy to help? Did you have to get your stack of dictionaries and thesaurus out? Oh man you really need to grow up and stop being such a brown-nosin’ wimp! Grow a pair and be a real man! I mean, what is all that supposed to mean? Is it actually an attempt to provoke me? To get me going somehow, or what? Oh you’d need to be up early in the morning to get one over on me! In fact, you could never get up early enough! You tell me that I ramble on, well maybe you’re right here, I do at times I suppose, but is it any effin wonder when I have to listen to absolute gargage coming from people like you who couldn’t find their own ass if they had twenty hands, let alone listen to them go on about things they have no idea about!
Pathetic attempt at trying to wind me up jimg… I almost feel sorry for you! I’ve seen more ass than a rental car son, you on the other hand are most likely some pimply-faced little know-it-all kid who has a chip on his shoulder, that’s obviously waaaay too heavy for him! On your best day you don’t even come close to my worst!
Oaky…hmm…lets talk about what this is clearly all about shall we… You are still pissed off at me for what I had said to you some time back, right? Now, if you had read my post properly, before running off at the mouth, you would have seen I wasn’t talking directly to you! But, how many times, or what language do I need to use for you to understand this? You just don’t seem to get it!? But then again, you’re one of those people who you need to explain everything a million times over, and still you don’t get it!? What the hell? Oh well…
As for ColgneMike, I never disputed Mike’s contribution to this thread – not once! Where did I say that? Yes, his contribution is the best on here, by far, and as you also conveniently “forgot” to mention in your sad little ravings I have never said any different! Mike’s contribution is awesome, no argument there, but that still doesn’t give him the right to patronize people on here just because they don’t offer/contribute as much! Where are all your contributions? Yeah, exactly! I can only speak for myself here, and if you read my posts with your eyes actually opened, you would understand that I DON’T LIVE IN LIMERICK!! So, I am not in a position to contribute very much, apart from my opinion! Of course, I am not so scared or such an ass-kisser that I can’t think or speak for myself! I haven’t been to Limerick in many many moons, so that’s your answer! I am intending on contributing much much more to this thread when I actually get over to Ireland, and I am really looking forward to it, but right now my work is keeping me very busy throughout Europe, and beyond!
It’s also rich that you accused me of rambling and what not, but listen to yourself dude! Just read your own post! Jesus, talk about the pot calling the kettle black! I believe that’s called HYPOCRISY!! Take out your stack and check it out if you don’t believe me!
Lastly, don’t you ever and I mean ever lecture me on what I can and can’t say, you understand? Try that with someone who is willing to listen to that shite, but not with me! Everybody on this thread has the equal right to express themselves without having to fear some kind of backlash! And you bud, have absolutely no right to tell anyone what they should and shouldn’t be saying! And I thought it was a free country! I can’t believe you could accuse me of having such neck, and then two seconds later you try the same thing with me? Don’t even think about it son! That shite doesn’t work with people like me!
Here’s a little tip for your future, though small, it will save you a great deal of personal agony, humiliation, embarrassment and disappointment in life: always engage your brain before you engage your mouth!!!
It’s comin’ to something when so-called grown men can’t even agree to disagree about something!
@CologneMike wrote:
Very true Jack, ignoring negative posting could be the threads funeral in the end.
By “raising the bar†I meant of course in the interest of the thread itself.
The truth is by taking a negative attitude in expressing your opinions it just turns people off from engaging in discussing new topics any further! Look at the crap you hurled at jimg, it certainly wasn’t very positive in nature?
By the way topics on Limerick scumbags, Dublin journalists, Munich women, Shit holes etc, etc. are best dealt with on the Limerick Boards. Here it’s all about Bricks and Mortar!
By constructive criticism I meant one argues his/her case as to why he/she disagrees with any given topic. Reacting for example to the “Conference Centre†by dismissing it out right by calling it “farcical†in your very first line just kills off engaging with you in a discussion on it’s merits!
Hey instead of generalising be specific about what area and developments you are talking about otherwise nobody knows exactly what you are on about.
Mike, with all due respect, why do you feel you have to explain every little detail to us? Hmm….is there some other problem here, or what? We’re not ten years old you know! We perfectly understood everything you spoke about the first time round! You don’t have to keep explaining every single word to everyone like they have special needs or something! Please stop trying to patronize people here Mike with all of this condescending immature crap! You can’t stop people from venting their own opinions and frustrations, no-matter how hard you try! That’s what it means to have a two-way discussion, or a fifty-way discussion for that matter! People are perfectly entitled to spaek their minds! You would think that people on this forum would be mature and grown up enough to understand that! We can all still be friends and agree to disagree without attacking each other!
You conveniently “forgot” to include when I explained to jimg what I really meant by that statement also! Again, I was not talking directly to jimg! I specifically explained that!
Bottom line here is that I’m a very out-spoken, no-bullshit kind of guy! I like to tell it how it really is! I don’t like crap and I don’t like people who pretend to be something they are clearly not! It’s just a pity more people on here don’t tell it how it really is!!!
Mike, you do not solve problems by burying your head in the sand – you have to face them and deal with it! I’ve never run away from anything or anyone in my life, that’s how my mother raised me, and that’s the way I am! While some people are discussing “bricks and mortar” ?(red bricks I’m assuming:rolleyes: ) and back lanes and alleys, some of us are looking at ways of building beautiful buildings and bringing some real architecture and a real sense of style and quality to Limerick City! You have absolutely no idea as to some of the lenghts I am going to to try and achieve this!!! Are these the actions of a guy who hates Limerick, Ireland, etc, etc! The frustration comes from when we are subjected to people in Limerick (elsewhere in Ireland too, I know, but we are discussing Limerick here so that’s all that matters) who are who are clearly braindead when it come to construction and quality architecture! And it rolls right off their backs! Why? Because they don’t care, and because there is plenty of money to be made out of rubbish!! Hundreds of grands for what? I wouldn’t board my fucking dog in some of those “luxury” apartments/complexes!!!
People need to come together here and discuss why, and how Limerick should really change/look! Wouldn’t that be interesting!? Talk about what really needs to be done to bring Limerick in line and make it a city that people love and care about! By using all the negatives and positives of course! Limerick City (and I’ve said it a million times) has fantastic potential, big open broad streets, great location in Ireland, and of course, the beautiful Shannon river straight through the middle … but, this is a city that has been, and is continually let down terribly over the years!:(
Doesn’t matter what anyone is saying, and as tfarmer also pointed out justnotbothered, everyone here is entitled to voice their own opinion and has the right to express themselves anyway they see fit!
It’s true, I don’t live in Limerick, so I don’t have to put up with their half-assed caveman approach to what they call “architecture” but I can understand people like tfarmer who are obviously frustrated and quite angry about what these halfwits are doing to his local community! They see any available plot of land and then off they go! Lets just build another red brick piece of crap and pass it off as “luxury” apartments, or whatever else for a few hundred grand! They might as well print suckers all over the advertisement boards!!! People like Michael Daly are getting it right, but unfortunately, there are one too many cowboys running around Limerick who jumping on the bandwagon and the end result will be a very dull, boring and uninteresting city centre in the years to come! It’s blatantly obvious that these morons don’t have a clue what they are doing…and yet everybody just sits back and looks on:confused: Well, between LCC and these “property developers” you’ve got a beautiful future!!! Like I said, they’d green light anything, just as long as there is plenty of money to be made out of it!
People can bury their heads in the sand all they want and choose to ignore the truth! It’s their funeral in the end!
@CologneMike wrote:
Healthy Debate
Any chance of raising the bar a bit when posting, constantly heaping the same tirade of abuse when commenting on any topic brought up here is uncool! Seriously, is this an “Agony Aunt†page to offload personal frustrations for being irish or a forum dealing with “well what about the developments popping up in the shannonside ?†I think if people have something to contribute then why can’t it be positive in nature and constructive in it’s criticism. Other wise this thread will just take a nosedive.
Well you know Mike, I live in a free democratic society so I can say whatever the hell I want whenever the hell I want! I haven’t built up a brilliant career out of pussy-footin’ around like a lot of these clowns in Limerick! I have what I have because I work hard, and I know what I’m doing, again unlike these morons in LCC!
But I do agree with you to a point, there is a lot of negativity around here, but is it any effin wonder? There are no doubt a lot of good things happening in Limerick, but there is also a great deal of crap too! And the longer people ignore this problem then the longer it will be allowed to go on! You’re going to end up with sections of Limerick City looking real good, while other huge sections looking like something straight out of the 1920’s!
The main reason I get very frustrated about this is because I really believe Limerick City has the potential to be the best city in Ireland! But it is constantly let down by bastards who just turn the other way and ignore the real problems going on! You don’t have to be the biggest city in the country to be the best either! Dublin is a poor excuse for a capital IMO! LCC are only interested in lining their pockets and are holding the city back!!! They’re allowing braindead money-grabbin’ idiots who clearly know nothing of true and quality architecture to slap up mountains of cheap-ass crap and nobody is doing anything about it! Ghettos of the future???
As I’ve said, stop pussy-footin’ around in Limerick, stop ignoring the truth, do what needs to be done to make Limerick a truly great European riverside city and just bloody well get on with it!!! Talk is cheap, we need action in Limerick!!!
Well go right ahead, ignore the real problems and you’ll see exactly what you’ll be admiring in about ten years time!
@CologneMike wrote:
Regional Conference Centre:confused:
Hmmm…….. If Dublin has the National Conference Centre and since it could be located near Shannon Airport well why don’t we call ours the International Conference Centre instead! 😀 Man this Dublin mind-set that everything outside the capital has to be downsized to it!
This is exactly the mind-set in Dublin! Downsize, or better still (in their opinion of course) – nothing at all! This is how they operate/do business there! The bottom line here is that Dublin, Ireland’s beloved Capital:rolleyes: , are supposed to get the best and biggest of everything, and everywhere else outside of the Capital…well gets sweet F all! It’s true! If anything major is happening in Ireland then Dublin has to have it! My own grandfather (on my father’s side) came from Dalkey and told me this himself for many years! Why? Because Dublin is supposed to shine as Ireland’s capital and be on top of everything! This is why I know for a fact that when seriously big developments do start to appear in Limerick in the future they won’t like it one little bit! There’ll be a lot moaning no doubt!:D
Oh, congratulations Limerick for their victory over Clare and reaching the all-Ireland semis’!:D
@tfarmer wrote:
The government is investigating the possibility of building a 2,000 capacity conference centre in the Limerick area in an effort to boost tourism in the mid-west
what?? a conference center to boost tourism. Thats just farcical. No tourists visit countries or areas because of a friggin conference center. I also agree that putting it in shannon makes no sense. In fact whats the purpose of building it at all we already have large amenities for this sort of event in the university of limerick. Another waste of money.
Here’s another man I have to buy a pint for! How in the name of jaysus is a conference centre supposed to boost tourism in Limerick City? What will they think of next? What a load of cobblers! To boost tourism in the mid-west eh? Nobody, but nobody visits anywhere just because of an effin conference centre! For the love of christ what is the attraction? That’s absolute garbage!:mad:
I agree it should be in the city, but lets get an effin grip here guys! I can think of about one hundred more important things Limerick City needs! And a conference centre (although would be nice to have it in the city) is not even on that list!
@justnotbothered wrote:
The problem is the City Council is made up, for the most part, by extremely unambitious “journeymen” politicians who get dazzled by any buzzwords the developers throw at them.
Thank you! I’ll buy you a pint if I ever run into you mate!;) Nice to see someone around here is actually using their brain!
And why the hell do you think these halfwit, cowboy “developers” are getting away with all of their horseshit little projects/developments also eh? It doesn’t take a neurosurgeon to figure that one out! These aresholes are only interested in making a quick cheap buck out of anyone they can fool with their bollocks “luxury” apartments!:mad: They don’t care about what the street, or the city looks like, they only care about what money they can con out of know-nothin’ fools who don’t do their effin homework properly! I deal with scum like this almost on a daily basis, so I know their game very well indeed!
As justnotbothered said, these”journeymen” are a huge part of the problem in LCC! They’d green light anything, just as long as there is some money to be made out of it! And this is why you end up with so much rubbish in Limerick… and how many times have we’ve seen this over the years?
I’d like to kick their effin arse let me tell ya!:mad: 😡 😡
CologneMike wrote:Must say the Hilton has turned out in my opinion very well as I feared the cladding to the building seemed to be dull at first when the scaffolding came down. Alas I did not take a close up when home recently. The façade change-over from the hotel to the apartment building is bit playful, haven’t seen this done in Limerick before? There are now plenty of new hotel beds around the city centre. Here a few more images for you Jack and keep sending your French mates over, ah sure there will be no fear of them.]Thanks so much for the photos Mike, much appreciated!:) Work seems to have progressed a great deal from when I last saw this site… not sure about that terracotta cladding though…hmm…as it’s not very attractive to the eye and it is quite prone to getting very dull and dirty in a short space of time. I think I’ll have to “see” this up close and personal for myself. But I’ve gotta admit, these apartments do have a great river view and this will of course drive the sale of these units no problem! I’m only guessing, but I’ll bet these apartments have a big price tag attached!? As does the Riverpoint Phase Two building across on the opposite bank. Pity you didn’t spin round on yer heels there Mike and take a few snaps of Phase Two eh?;) What an opportunity missed:( :rolleyes: Only kidding with ya Mike!:)
My own mother is interested in an apartment in Phase 2 of Riverpoint actually, she was telling me about it the other day. She’s not 100% yet, but she’s giving it some serious thought. She’s only been to Limerick about five times in her life (my mom is Parisian born and bred) believe it or not! Hope she does though, as well as some of my other friends. I know quite a few people who are very interested in buying second and third homes in Ireland. I am selling Limerick City like you wouldn’t believe mate!:D
Ah I know there’ll be no fear of ’em Mike;) Probably get mugged!:D Hah!
Thanks again!:D
