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@Praxiteles wrote:
To return to the question of Ambones:
Pandaz7!
Perhaps it might help were the original quandry expressed as a simple question:
Would you agree with the ststement that there is no liturgical basis whatsoever for having a fixed ambo in the sanctuary of a church?
OK, taking that as a starting point, say there is no liturgical basis for it. But why not have it there? Reading of the scripture is a holy thing is it not, so why not have it in the sanctuary which is the focal point of the church. From a practical point of view, does it not make more sense to have it up at the front near the altar?
What’s the problem with having a fixed ambo? It is not a prominent visible sign of the importance of reading the scriptures? Do we need a historical precedent for it?
Gunter
I entirely agree with your view that a church should be a numinous place but your comments on OMQ’s views are harsh.
At last, there is a recognition that churches and church ceremonies do not have to slavishly follow this deluge of rules and regulations which inundate this thread almost on a daily basis. I started reading this because I thought that the refurbishment of Irish Catholic churches had become acts of distruction but it has gone to the realms of the ridiculous. Why must we be hidebound by what was done in Italy in the 15th century? Commentators on this thread devote far too much energy into getting the buildings into their architectural straitjacket, something which has no foundation in Jesus’ teaching. In particular, the vitriolic comments about modern architects/designer (however ingorant they may be of all the rules and traditions of liturgy) about are entirely uncalled for.
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Why write it in a language you know or suspect that most people will not ever understand?? What really is the purpose of this decoration and for whose benefit is it being written? The (very) few elite latin scholars that might wander in? Go with what Jesus would have done and write in a language that people understand.
@Praxiteles wrote:
St Colman’s cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork.
Two video clips showed up recently on Gloria.TV of the Solemn High Mass celebrated in Cobh cathedral last July in the presence of George Cardinal pell, Archbishop of Sydney. While they do not ahve sound, they do well illustrate how the sanctuary in Cobh should function – especially when the throne is occupied:
The formal entry of a Cardinal:
http://it.gloria.tv/?media=38513
and
The incensation of the Altar at the beginning of Mass
Must say I love this “formal entry” with the big cloak and some lackey getting to carry the train!! How humble. I seem to remember something from my schooldays about Jesus entering Jerusalem on a donkey. This boyo is obviously quite a VIP!
I lived in his student village in Herouville St Clair (Caen, France) for a year. Its not a great town for human beings to live in. However, I did like this church; I do think it has a numinous quality. The light and space and stark simplicity is appealing and contemplative, a world away from the likes of St Lacteen’s Donoughmore.
@johnglas wrote:
As a gay man, I’m hardly likely to be homophobic (but it’s interesting that you managed to read that into it); the term ‘to fuck up’ has no sexual connotation whatsoever.
PS It was meant as a light-hearted and ironic comment. Life’s not all serious and pc, you know!Very sorry johnglas, I took it that you were reading Fuksas as Fucks Ass. I can’t but agree that life’s not all serious and pc. This thread does seem to have taken on a very trad right wing catholic slant which was why I misinterpreted your remark.
@johnglas wrote:
That’s about as inspiring as a municipal incinerator; perhaps there’s a clue in the architect’s name – it’s what he does…
Does this homophobic comment add anything to the purpose of this thread? You might not like this building and you are entitled to say why but you need not be so gratuitously offensive.
I enjoy following this thread and agree that much of the re-ordering of Irish churches has been inappropriate, unnecessary and has ripped the soul from many of these venerable buildings. However, much of the more recent material seems in my view to suggest that old = good and new = bad. What is the role of modern architecture and design in church building? Is tradition so fundamental that it must always be slavishly followed?
@shanekeane wrote:
Is it just me or has this thread become nothing more than an expression of one man’s monomania?
It’s not just you
Should the handling of child sex abuse cases and re-ordering of Church sanctuaries be mentioned in the same paragraph in this way? Surely these two issues are entirely unrelated. The latter has been rightly commented on in great detail in this forum and I wholly agree with the thrust of the objections in the Cobh case but it must pale into insignificance beside the protection of innocent children.
