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And who would want grass on College Green, the urban square, the crazy British maybe, not me. However, the bit behind the railings is the front of TCD and, as I would have hoped you would be able to admit, the ground in front of a main university buildings has grass, be it England, the US, Germany or what ever other country you’d like to name,Scotland you imply elsewhere doesn’t do this, well here is Glasgow U:
Well gosh that was easy, first German university I thought of (Göttingen) and what, oh! mown grass in front of the main university hall, with twee topiary no less.
And twee is kind of a point, I don’t trust the college with paving, have you noticed they have put planters, planters! on the podium by the Berkeley library.
Ah you are trying the west-brit trick but the bit of grass, apart from setting off the grey stone, is part of the traditional look and feel of the great university we could be: some American examples
Sorry, I wasn’t clear, I mean there is a second, hence yellow, notice up on some parts of the mall site, specifically, I think, the Fingal building: I will read it on the way in tomorrow.
There was a yelllow planning notice on these sites this evening, I was on a bus so I couldn’t read it; I will have a look tomorrow but in the meantime has anyone read it?
i haven’t really made up my mind on this; but it is always worrying when the best arguement in favour of a proposal is that it was very delayed.
Go to
http://www.dublincity.ie/Planning/PlanningPermission/PlanningSearch/Pages/PlanningSearch.aspx
and follow the search for a planning application link and then put 2479/08 in for planning reference, takes you tobut you might wonder how stable that link is; still no documents.
Its always like that Pepsi, the big hole takes for ever and then next thing you know its built and the fit out takes ages.
The Times planning list today also had something in for the Gresham; it seems quite substantial and includes infill on OCS, I couldn’t find it on dublincity.ie.
From the Times
Gresham Hotel, Upper OConnell Street, Dublin 1 on the site at rear of 19, 20/22, 23 and 24 Upper OConnell Street and 1-7 Cathal Brugha Street (all protected structures), the T Wing (1950s and 1960s extensions) and the Lavery Wing (1990 extension) and bounded by OConnell Street, Cathal Brugha Street, Thomas Lane and Marlborough Street, Dublin 1.
Proposed development:
Demolish structures at either side of T Wing behind 19 to 23 Upper OConnell Street.
Remove plant rooms at roof level to 20/22 Upper OConnell Street. Renew windows in protected structures as per previous permission (Reg Ref 5974/04). New sub-basement water storage, additional meeting rooms, restaurant area and new back of house facilities at basement level.
Relocate restaurant and new shop on Cathal Brugha Street together with new function room, relocate kitchens, extension to foyer bar,
new entrance from Thomas Lane and relocate sub-station, all on ground floor level. Meeting room in lieu of admin offices, day spa and fitness area, together with a courtyard garden at first floor level.
Total of 179 new bedrooms
*in new block either side of the T Wing on the second to seventh floors;
*in converted office/meeting rooms on second to fourth floors;
*in new infill to the fourth and fifth floors to Cathal Brugha Street and 23/24 Upper OConnell Street;
*in replacement of sixth floor level;
*in additional seventh floor level to the T Wing
*in three suites in a new penthouse along with new external terrace at 20/22 Upper OConnell Street on the sixth floor;
* in the Lavery Wing in two new sixth and seventh floors.
Executive lounge and roof garden at seventh floor.
New function/conference facility in a double height glazed structure with smoking/viewing deck and bar.Six additional passenger lifts and five additional service lifts.
IAP = Integrated Area Plan; someone more expert will explain the difference between an IAP and Area Action Plans, Framework Development Plans, Local Area Plans,Special Planning Control Schemes, but basically all of these are masterplans which are considered by planning authorities in deciding planning permission, and, which in some cases have some budget of there own for works.
Anyway, the only place I could find a summary of the OCS IAP was
As someone living near where upper OCS I am disappointed by the public gain, leaving aside those advantages which align with a benefit to the developer: more shops, more footfall, more permeability etc, we gain a gallery in no. 42, an assembly hall, a drop in center, a national monument, a “visitor attraction” and some public areas, one of which is at the expense of a fine terrace.
With a development of this scale, I would have thought the council would have managed something better; didn’t Michael Smith write a letter to the Times years ago telling us to stop wanting the abbey on OCS, since we could have an Arts Cinema instead: I was hoping for a rep cinema or a theatre. What about this gallery, is it to be a public gallery or a commercial one, if public, whose collection, the Hugh Lane or is something spectacular planned to be revealed at some critical point, a little outpost for the Guiggenheim or some such: I do hope so, but probably in vain.
As for the national monument, what is to go in it, won’t the collection of insurrectionary memorabilia be spread a little thin once the GPO museum is fitted out?
The application is so much easier to read with paragraphs and bold, so here is some more of it:
7 year permission for development at an overall site of c 2.17 hectares, at nos 40-41, 42 (a protected structure), 43 (a protected structure), 44 (a protected structure), 45-51, 52-54 (protected structures), 55-56, 57 (a protected structure), 58 (a protected structure), 59, 60 (a protected structure) and 61 (a protected structure) and 60a (otherwise 5 Henry Place) O’Connell Street Upper, Nos 37-41a Henry Street, nos 1-13, 14-17 (protected structures and a national monument) and 18-25 Moore Street, nos 71 and 71a Parnell Street, nos 1-8 O’Rahilly Parade, nos 1-15 Moore Lane, Nos 4-13 (including 3 Moore Lane) and 15-18 Henry Place, nos 6-8 at the junction of Henry Place and Moore Lane and including Clarkes Court off Moore Street, Moore Place off Henry Place, Murphys Court off Moore Lane, part of Moore Lane from the junction of Henry Place and Moore Lane to the junction of Moore Lane and O’Rahilly Parade and part of Henry Place from the junction of Moore Street and Henry Place to the rear of no. 61 O’Connell Street Upper (a protected structure), Dublin 1.
The site consists of the majority of a city block bounded by Parnell Street, Moore Lane, O’Rahilly Parade, Moore Street, Henry Street, Henry Place and O’Connell Street Upper, but for the avoidance of doubt excludes nos 70 & 72-75 Parnell St, Nos 37-39 & 62-69 O’Connell St Upper, Nos 31-36 Henry St & Nos 1-3 Henry Place, Dublin 1. The proposed development has a gross floor area (GFA) of 158,026sqm; including
*109 no. retail units and an anchor store, 110 no. retail units in total (c 56,155sqm);
*17 no. cafe/restaurant/bar units (c 5,372sqm);
*108 no. residential units;
*office space (c. 2,893sqm);
*a gallery (c. 903sqm);
*a visitor attraction or ‘Sky Lift’, viewing deck and ticketing area (c. 435sqm);
*a drop in facility (c. 157sqm);
*a commemorative centre (c. 268sqm),
*an assembly hall (c. 320sqm);
*2no. new public streets,
*3 no. public spaces at street level,
*a roof garden ( c1258sqm);
*an outdoor performance space (c263sqm);
*communal residential open space, (c2554sqm);
*1115 no. car parking spaces,
*560 no. bicycle parking spaces,
*a c30m high ‘green wall’ or hydroponic vertical garden with feature lift on the Henry Street frontage, and ancillary uses,with a minimum height above ground of 3 no. storeys, a maximum height of 13 no. storeys and 5 no. basement levels. The sloping element which rises from level +4 to level +12 and is located at the junction of Henry Street and Moore Street is described as ‘The Iconic Building’ and has a roof level above street level, with a glass screen of 59m above street level at its highest point.
The details of the proposed development are as follows: The proposed development results in the creation of 2 no. new streets, which are to be sheltered by a canopy structure located at level +4 to +6 .
The proposed c. 117m long east-west street connects O’Connell Street and Moore Street and the proposed c.147m long north-south street connects the proposed east-west street with Henry Street.
3 no. public spaces are provided at street level: at the junction of the new north – south street and Henry Street, at the junction of O’Connell Street and the new east-west street and to the rear of nos 14-17 Moore Street (protected structures and a national monument).
A roof garden, a ‘Sky Lift’ and viewing deck are to be provided at roof level. The ‘Sky Lift’ is a public attraction in the form of an inclined glass lift, which travels along the eastern parapet of the ‘Iconic Building’ from level +3 to level +13/roof level. The roof garden rises from level +4 to level +12 and the viewing deck is located at level + 13/roof level. Walkways are provided at level +1.
At level +3 a triangular walkway, performance space and terraced seating associated with the restaurants at this level are provided. Restaurant terraces with outdoor seating are also to be provided at level +3 along O’Connell Street and Moore Street and setback at level +4 along O’Connell Street.
Retail development of 110 no. retail units (c. 56,155sqm) consisting of:
- an anchor store of c. 21802sqm, located to the north of the site from level -1 to level +3;
- 32 no. units at level -1, 22no. of which have a second floor at level -2;
- 41 no. retail units at level 0 / ground floor level, including a kiosk to the rear of nos, 14-17 Moore Street (protected structures and a national monument), unit G/1 has a second and third floors at levels +1 and +2 and units OC2 and OC5 have a second floor at level +1;
- 29 no. units at level +1 with access to a second floor at level +2;
- retail to be provided in no. 60-61 O’Connell Street (protected structures) at level 0 (retail unit OC1),
- in nos 57-58 O’Connell Street (protected structures) at levels 0 and +1 (retail units OC3 and OC4),
- nos 41 O’Connell Street at levels -1 to 1a,
- in no. 40 O’Connell Street at level 0,
- in no. 17 Moore Street (protected structures and national monument) at levels -1 to +1a and
- in no. 15 Moore Street (protected structure and national monument) at levels -1 to +1a.
Total residential development of 108 no. units provided as follows:
- Block A / ‘The Iconic Building’ is located at the junction of Henry Street and Moore Street and provides 44 no. apartment units, including 2 no. 1 bedroom units, 31 no. 2 bedroom units and 11 no. 3 bedroom units from level +4 to level +10, accessible from a lobby on Moore Street and a communal landscaped open space of 1015sqn with play space at level +4. Both the lobby and the communal space are shared with block B. Each unit is provided with 1-2no. wintergardens, on the east and / or west or the southwest and / or east – west elevations of the ‘Iconic Building’;
- Block B is located south-east of nos 14 – 17 Moore Street and provides 2 no. apartment units and 6no. duplex units, including 4 no. 1 bedroom units, 1 no. 2 bedroom units and 3 no. 3 bedroom units from level +3 to level +4, accessible from a lobby on Moore Street and a communal landscaped open space of 1015sqm with play space at level +4. Both the lobby an the communal space are shared with Block A. Each unit id provided with a roof garden and / or balcony. All balconies are located on the south western elevation;
- Block C is located between the junction of the proposed east-west street with Moore Street and the junction of Moore Street and O’Rahilly Parade and provides 17 no. apartment units and 1 no. duplex unit, including 1 no. 1 bedroom unit and 17 no. 2 bedroom units from level +4 to level +8 accessible from a lobby on Moore Street and communal landscaped open space of 239sqm at level +4. Each unit is provides with a roof garden and / or balcony, except unit type AA, which is provided with a roof garden only. All balconies are located on the south-western elevation;
- blocks D, E and F are located between O’Connell Street Upper and Moore Lane and provide 15no. duplex units and 13 no. apartments units, including 4no. 1 bedroom units and 9 no. 2 bedroom units and 15 no. 3 bedroom units at level +4 to level +5 in block E and level +4 to level + 6 in blocks D and F, accessible from a lobby on O’Connell Street Upper and a communal landscaped open space of 1,300sqm with play space at level +4 to be shared with Block G. Each unit is provided with a roof garden and/or 1-2 no. balconies. Balconies on block D are located on the western elevation, balconies on block E are located on the eastern elevation and balconies on block F are located on the eastern and western elevation,
- Block G is located on Parnell Street and provides 8no. apartment units and 2 no. duplex units, including 3 no. 1 bedroom units, 5 no. 2 bedroom units and 2 no. 3 bedroom units at level +2a to level +6 accessible from a lobby on O’Connell Street Upper and a communal landscaped open space of 1300sqm with play space at level +4 to be shared with block D, E and F, with a communal space at level +2a. Each Unit in block G is provided with a balcony / terrace, which are located on the eastern and western elevations. A total of 14 no. 1 bedroom units, 63 no. 2 bedroom units and 31 no. 3 bedroom units, including 24no. duplex units and 84 no. apartment units are proposed. Office / commercial uses are provided at nos 40/41 O’Connell Street Upper (c 2105sqm), 60/61O’Connell Street Upper (protected structures) (c.618sqm) and 57/58 O’Connell Street Upper (protected structures) (c. 170sqm).
@JoePublic wrote:
It must be no. 45 then which is the 1920’s granite building grahamh referred to which is proposed to be demolished (for no good reason). I don’t know if it’s garda station or not, but it’s there now, and it’s not in the renders!
Sorry; 43 is the sports club, 45, which is obviously slated for demolition is the anonymous one, I was getting mixed up.
@JoePublic wrote:
Just to be clear on this, part of the garda station is in fact getting the chop right? It is spread over two buildings only one of which is being retained?
I think, someone might correct me, 44 is the building I think of as the Garda Station, the one with Garda written on it, 43 is anonymous and could well be more Garda Station, both these are facade retentions. 42 is the Georgian which is part of the Royal Dublin. The Carlton Facade will be next to 44 and the Fingal Building, the Dublin Bus building and Dr Quirkeys are going.
This is partly online now: it is application 2479/08, just the text, the documents aren’t scanned yet: 44 and 43, The Garda Station and next door, are facade retentions, 42 retained in its entirity.
from the application:
Works to protected structures to include the following: change of use of no. 42 O’Connell Street Upper to use as a gallery, to include refurbishment works involving the blocking of openings connecting to the adjoining nos. 40-41 O’Connell Street Upper, the removal repair and reinstatement of existing windows, the reinstatement of the original layout, repair of the roof and raingoods, the removal of a concrete stairs and their replacement with timber stairs, temporary supporting works, repairs to brickwork, plasterwork, metalwork, stonework and woodworks, the installation of a solar reflective structure to the rear, the demolition of non-original additions to the rear and relocation of the interior of O’Connell Hall; the interior of O’Connell Hall to be relocated to level +4 for use as an assembly hall, refurbishment works to include salvage and re-erection of original decorative plaster and timber elements, repair of timber and plasterwork and timberwork, the creation of a new doorway;
the facade of no. 43 O’Connell Street to be retained and integrated into the proposed elevation, facade to be cleaned and repaired, windows and doorways to be removed, repaired and reinstated, all other elements to be demolished new shopfront to be provided over retained stone plinth;
the facade of no. 44 O’Connell Street Upper to be retained and integrated into the proposed elevation, facade to be cleaned repaired, windows and door to be removed, repaired and reinstated, all other elements to be demolished, new shopfront to be provided within existing opes;
facade of nos 52-54 O’Connell Street Upper (Carlton Cinema) to be relocated c. 58m north along O’Connell Street and to be integrated into the proposed facade, facade to be cleaned and repaired, windows to be removed, repaired and reinstated and replaced if necessary, all other elements to be demolished, new shopfront and structural glass facade to be provided at level );
facade of no. 57 O’Connell Street Upper to be retained and integrated into the proposed elevation, facade to be cleaned and repaired windows to be removed, repaired and reinstated, new shopfront to be provided, all other elements to be demolished:
facade of no. 58 O’Connell Street Upper to be retained and integrated into the proposed elevation, facade to be cleaned and repaired, existing windows to be retained and repaired, new shopfront to be provided, all other elements to be demolished;
No. 60 O’Connell Street Upper to be used as offices, refurbishment works to include removal and replacement of windows with sash windows to historical detail or repaired as appropriate removal of existing modern parapet and replacement with sandstone coping and cornice as original, removal and repair of front door, creation of openings into no. 61 O’Connell Street Upper, the blocking of openings into no. 59 O’Connell Street Upper, temporary supporting works, clearing and repair of facades, repair of plasterwork, metal work and roof, the demolition of non original additions and the installation of a solar reflective structure to the rear;
facade of no. 61 O’Connell Street Upper to be retained and integrated into the proposed elevation; facade to be cleaned and repaired, windows to be removed, repaired and reinstated or replaced with timber sash windows to historical detail’ as appropriate all other elements to be demolished, original window proportions to be reinstated, removal of modern shopfront and restoration of underlying stonework, new shopfront to be provided and all ancillary structural services and development works.
Works to the national monument at nos 14-17 Moore Street, which are subject to Ministerial consent under the National Monument Act, include the following:
works to no. 14 Moore Street to include demolition of non-original additions and partitions, lowering of basement floor level, extension at basement, ground, first and second floor levels of 319sqm to rear, repair of timbers, roof, windows, doors, plaster, stone, brick and metal, change of use to a cafe/restaurant with ancillary offices’
works to no. 15 Moore Street include demolition of non original additions and partitions, lowering of basement floor level, 34sqm extension a basement level with lobby provided to the rear, repair of timbers, roof, windows, plaster, stone, brick and metal, use as retail with ancillary offices;
works to no. 16 Moore Street include demolition of non-original additions and partitions, lowering of basement floor level, extension at basement level (33sqm) repair of timbers, roof, windows, plaster, stone, brick and metal, change of use to a commemorative centre;
works to no. 17 Moore Street include Demolition of non-original additions, lowering of basement floor level extension at basement level and two storey extension to the north-western elevation (81sqm) provision of new stairs, repair of timbers, roof, windows, plaster, stone, brick and metal, use as a retail unit, and all ancillary structural services and development works
I have to say I will be sorry to see the Dublin Bus building go: don’t get me wrong, I can see that it must go in the context of a redevelopment of this area and I am not arguing with that, but I will be sad, it is the sort of logical building I have always had a fondness for, respecting building line and grain while being unashamedly contemporary to its own period and willing to sacrifice meretricious beauty for a modest charm on the edge of ugliness.
“excavated from a seven storey rock”.
