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Surely something could be done about Kildare Place; what’s behind that shite wall; couldn’t it be removed?
now you’re just being silly, the fact that athlone is the literal geographical centre is kind of a side issue; the population centre is probably maynooth or maybe kildare and anyway, that isn’t the point is it?
as for facts and figures, well, i agree, i have none, but i didn’t claim i did; its an impossible calculation to decide so lets not try and decide resource allocation on some misguided principle of regionalization.
again, pdll, this i think this is bad way of looking at resource usage in the country, but, if we are going to have this discussion, i won’t be convinced by simple bluster that dublin is being subsidized by the rest of the country; i would need some facts and figures and you have none, nor do i think would it be easy to find any, for example, the port tunnel, build under dublin but to whose benefit? who were all those motorways for?
the reason the arguement you give is a bad way to look at resource allocation is because it is the arguement that says blah blah people live in roscommon, therefore roscommon needs a general hospital with blah blah resources and anyone from roscommon should be treated there, nonesense, you are better off being treated in galway or even dublin were they see more than one case a decade of whatever rare cancer of the caecum you have and you therefore have a considerably higher chance of surviving. centralizing medical resources works; you have a community of specialists with different types of expertise working together instead of one cancer or whatever specialist who deals with everthing from cancer of the caecum to cancer of the hair follicals. if i got sick, or i had a child with a disability, i would be thinking, could i get a job in london, not, could i get a job in roscommon and no amount of so called equal distribution of resources will change that. we are just luck here that we have at least one big city, some countries of our size don’t.
I would be very very suprised if Dublin were being subsidized by the rest of the country to be frank and, environmentally, cities are always kinder. However, I think this is a dumb way of looking at things, people want to live in the countryside, some of them have historic links with the areas they want to live in or work locally and we need to think about how they can be facilitated in a way that is sustainable and has a little impact as possible in the enviroment and on the look and character of the Irish countryside and doesn’t have such a disproportionate cost to services.
It would be easier to look kindly on rural housing if it wasn’t all five bedroom monster homes with three bathrooms with a breeze block wall and a drive exiting straight onto a busy road and mail delivered to the door, and in my experience, I am from a rural area, that these days is what its about.
To be fair, Devin does know something about your development; he knows that it was refused planning permission. I guess my view on your question is that it would be wrong if this was reversed because of some technicality.
More generally, rural housing shouldn’t be such a difficult issue, simple planning rules could minimize the visual impact, for example, people could be required to retain original walls and hedgerows, similarily, a rate would allow the additional economic cost of one-off housing to be charged to the beneficiary and sensible transport policies and congestion charging would reduce the damaging tendency to commute to the cities from the countryside. Although I made fun of it aboveI don’t think the venacular usage arguement is without merit.
I would guess that the commuter estates being build at the edge of villages are having a bigger negative effect on the quality of life and here, as, I think in the case of one-of rural housing, what’s important is not some blanket ban or the opposate, but tightly impliment and rigous planning guidelines.
Since the ice-age local disputes in Ireland have been settled by individual combat, often at fords or crossroads. It is very unfortunate that Irish people are not allowed to continue this traditional mode of dispute settlement.
but a new bridge put the line on marlboro street; meaning, ultimately the luas extension to dit will run up marlboro street, opening it up for development and keeping o’connell street uncluttered.
Well here another way of making the for-the-good-of-NCAD arguement (as opposed to the good of Dublin arguement which must be self-evident), Dublin now has a healthy fee-paying third level sector, there is RCSI, NCI, GCD, DBS, Portobello and the American College for a start, RCSI is obviously a first rate place, some of the others are at a pretty high level too, beyond these there is a huge number of language schools and training colleges, of varying standard, but some are well established and growing educational businesses. Now these places are businesses and have to make decisions based on common sense and not bluster, they need to look like serious places, educaton is all about reputation, and they need to attract students, they need to have the facilities of the city at hand, they need somewhere with good transport links. They almost all cluster as close as they can get to Stephen’s Green and they almost all include old and often reused buildings. Are there any near Belfield?
I guess another example is that building on Tara Street which is now next door to that bow fronted modernist building the Times is moving to.
i agree ctesiphon about ucd, it shouldn’t of moved, but at least when they started off they had a plan and built along a line, then, somehow, sometime, they just went mad and started scattering the buildings everywhere.
I tried emailing this Colm O Briain guy urging him to argue against any move, his reply made me think he was, as Sue says, the one suggesting the move. He also didn’t seem to understand the value of a city centre site or to have any real, impressive, ambitions for NCAD. I hope he backs off.
I wonder if any of the DIT property could help; I guess none of its nearby and the Mountjoy Buildings are the only ones suitably fitted out for art. What’s in DIT Temple Bar and how big is it?
That’s kind of what i was worried about; UCD Dublin is a bit inclined towards this and their layout is a disaster as a consequence. I hope at least they will have quads or avenues like TCD and DCU, rather than a mess like UCD and Maynooth now they have deserted St Patricks.
But lets not drift of topic: leave NCAD where it is, moving to Belfield would be a disaster.
sorry to drift off topic, but i always wondered if it was worth carry on to the east point business park, there are huge numbers working there and there’ll be huge numbers living along east wall road soon. carrying on the port is of course crazy, maybe a shuttle bus at the very most and a pretty small one at that.
thanks god they chose spencer dock for the ncc, first its a nice building relative to the certainty that any conference centre would have a lot of blank wall, a, and b, the other site would have surely ended up in courts.
i have to say that’s a terrible idea; isn’t it great having a basin, its cool to have a body of water, visually its great, its interesting and genuine because it preserves the historical use and it supports recreational activities not available otherwise. it would be good if it was stocked with fish and made safe for swimming, otherwise, don’t change it! that area isn’t even short of parks, there is a large park nearby at ringsend.
So according to the Post, the leading contender for this is the Westmoreland street route but the main contender is Westland Row, Pearse and a new bridge to Marlboro Street. I guess the object people raise is the Westland Row bridge, but ignoring that, this seems like a much better route, no digging up O’Connell Street, no wires getting in the way of this and College Green, a chance to rejuvanate Marlboro Street and a new pedestrian route across the river.
I think we are getting carried away with this grand central station, it will be an interchange of two underground lines and a luas. O’Connell Street, similarily, will have an interchange of two luases and a metro and generally the plan is pretty even handed between the north and the south and kinder to the northside universities: dcu and dit than to the southside one, ucd. in point of fact the geographical centre and population centre of dublin is probably somewhere south of the green and everyone knows the real centre of town is college green where i think there will be a luas, metro interchange.
used to love central station when i lived in ny; i guess the gpo is the closest we get, a beautiful building in vernacular use.
interesting question though and a bit off thread, but where would you go in dublin to meet someone if you knew the time and date but not the location. front of bewleys or front of tcd i guess.
i think the question re the green is not about the station but whether the tunnelling machine is being inserted there.
