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  • in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773369
    nebuly
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    When I was Sacrist ( one of the Minor Canons ) of the Abbey, a quarter of a century ago, we generally only had a large persian carpet over the central section in front of the altar and down the steps; the sides remained uncovered and a constant thoroughfare. It was very uneven and our passage can have done the inlay no favours.

    For Royal and State occasions a blue carpet covered the whole area.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #773231
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    @Gregorius III wrote:

    Is there ever a case [different climate] in which double-glazing is a positive step? In the past months I encountered a new church-building with glazing over their “2nd hand” XIX c. stained glass windows, I mentioned that it was bad for the preservation of the windows – they however received quite different advice during their installation…

    Surely such glazing is almost always a good thing but it must be ventilated?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772360
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    I suppose they are using the idea of the Epiphany House
    ‘ and when the had come into the house’

    rather than the stable

    But why then the straw and the lambs? Is there something about the domestic arrangements of the members of HACK of which we have not been told?

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772305
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    Under the Sarum Rite Ireland like Wales and England had eight O antiphons, one more than the Normative Roman Usage. Thus O Sapientia was ( and is with Anglicans ) on 16 December. The Church of England has in her ‘Common Worship’ Kalendar abandoned local usage and followed the bulk of the West. It would be a grave pity for Irish Anglicans slavishly so to do and thus miss O Virgo virginum on the 23 December –

    I believe that the Norbertine Canons have retained this usage also

    O Virgin of Virgin’s, how shall this be? For neither before was any like thee, nor shall there be any after. Daughters of Jerusalem, why marvel ye at me? The thing which ye behold is a divine mystery.

    O Come thou Virgin, full of grace,
    Who bore the Saviour of our race
    Daughters of Zion, joy and see,
    Behold, Redemption’s mystery!
    Rejoice! Rejoice!
    Emmanuel shall come to thee, O Israel.

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #772291
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    When I was an ( Anglican ) additional member of the choir of the Catholic Cathedral in Armagh as a schoolboy in the early 1970’s I was shown a stunning series of vestments which, I was told, were the gift of the Empress of Austria and Apostolic Queen of Hungary etc. Was this in fact the case and if so do we know if they still exist? They were very splendid indeed

    in reply to: reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches #771886
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    The Eucharist for the Institution and Inductionof the Reverend Michael Thompson as incumbent of the Youghal Union
    By the Right Reverend Paul Colton, Bishop of Cork, Cloyne and Ross
    in the Collegiate Church of Saint Mary the Virgin, Youghal
    will be on the Feast of the Birth of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Monday 8th September 2008 at 8 o’clock in the evening.

    May I use this site to invite any who are local to attend my institution as Rector of Youghal?
    Any readers or contributors will be most welcome and if local folk cannot come or do not wish to may I ask them to remember me in their prayers and at mass?

    Orate ad invincem

    Michael Thompson

    nebuly
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    Why is it that a classical altar often looks stunning in a gothic church but gothic furnishings look frightful in classical buildings? Can it simply ones outraged sense of it being an anachronism?

    nebuly
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    @nebuly wrote:

    @Praxiteles wrote:

    The Pietà on the High Altar of Notre Dame de Paris.

    This composition was placed in Notre Dame as a than offering by Louis XIII. the influence of Van Dyck on the composition is obvious and much resembles two of his painting of the same subject.

    I am not certain if this is teh original composition or a copy placed there after the Revolution. Anyone any information on the subject?
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    SORRY This one shows it

    But I wonder about the King offering his crown on the epistle side,,,,,,

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    Praxiteles wrote:
    The Pietà on the High Altar of Notre Dame de Paris.

    This composition was placed in Notre Dame as a than offering by Louis XIII. the influence of Van Dyck on the composition is obvious and much resembles two of his painting of the same subject.

    I am not certain if this is teh original composition or a copy placed there after the Revolution. Anyone any information on the subject?
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    @ake wrote:

    Unfortunately not. I’d like to know, as it’s really quite good work don’t you think?

    Might they be by[ David Esler? They seem not dissimilar from one in the north nave aisle of the anglican cathedral of Armagh

    http://www.leadlines.co.uk/readgallery2.asp?id=2

    nebuly
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    Lovely – but poor font; not respectful of its dignify.
    I can cope with the manifestation of the Sacred Heart in the Hot House ot Kew I suppose.

    It puts me in mind of two oratorian priests of different houses who told me that they had ‘”first meet in a clearing in the sanctuary of the Birmingham Oratory at the Forty Hours”

    nebuly
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    The situation in the Church of Ireland has perhaps not been so extreme in that there has not in general been a wholesale destruction of Altars and sanctuary arrangements – and at any rate they are generally of a much simpler nature. Nonetheless the stripping of Churches such as the Collegiate Church at Youghal and the Cathedral at Limerick of their soft lime plaster has done no favours to some of our most important mediaeval buildings.

    There has been a most unfortunate trend to pull altars away from the east wall ( almost all altars are movable tables of wood – the Cottingham Lady Chapel Altar which was the High Altar at Armagh, is a rare exception ). This has been done in that false spirit of liturgical renewal which has pervaded the Western Church, common in the Church of England and pioneered by those who claim Vatical II as their inspiration in the Roman Catholic Church althoug none of the liturgical documents requires such changes to existing altar arrangements.

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