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Participanti’m thinking something like an irish bluestone if such thing exists?
with a irish whitish granite pattern irish marco polo style… marco polo marcothe key to planning this bridge is getting rid of the left hand turn lane into con st
getting rid of the right hand turn off the bridge towards liberty hall (which reminds me I need to join)
you can kinda see here the road level would be the same as the footpath all the lanes would become limited to 2missarchi
Participantthere is no need for buses/luas to cross this point above ground once the metro and interconnector is in…
anyway there are loads of options…the F luas/minibus can have an shallow underground station that connects to the metro station via a tunnel
however it would appear to be possible to have at least 3-4 lanes ontop of 3-4 lanes which would be at a depth of what 10m cut n cover you would assume tanked…
2 lanes east west luas/bus and emergency vehicles
2 lanes cars ( we swap with the car park if we need emergency lanes)4 lanes (carpark)
what 1000 car spaces if you wanted ( this would reduce some of cars crossing the area ) and help provide for the public venue space ontop…
You could even have 1 lane of cars east west using the plaza at set times on weekdays at 30 km/h no buses or luas though
I think in the interest of pedestrians we need to either decide the luas and bus share space or we kick one away
its that simple once the metro interconnector are in you cannot justify any more than one lane/tunnel in each direction for public transport in this tight spot the footpaths are overflowing…I don’t know if that makes any sense but i’m guessing you need a flow diagram…
August 19, 2008 at 5:21 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746328missarchi
Participant@SunnyDub wrote:
All trams don’t blast people out of it, most just ring their bell and go quietly by…
I fear your College Green Platz idea is hopefully unrealistic, at least in the short-term, I think it’s more Picadilly Circus than a quiet pedestrian zone.
The core issue to be decided first is bus or luas or both, and banning cars, it looks like they’re going for bus & luas and banning cars, I personally don’t see how you can run Luas through there and not significantly disrupt the buses, maybe tunnels are the right option, that’s long-term though and means shelving line BX, no harm really. or maybe bus tunnels and leave luas on the ground as it’s much less intrusive.
The plaza idea is pie in the sky at this stage!
Well the department of transport have had the plan since march.
The core issue is a transport/urban study to examine the options of having no luas bus…
and then decide… We don’t even know how many people are going to move from buses to metro norh inter connector yet..The plaza is not pie in the sky just hire Jan… or make it a protected structure or make an amendment to the development plan
August 19, 2008 at 2:26 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746323missarchi
Participanti found these if you haven’t not seen them
missarchi
Participantwhat does this remind you of???
August 18, 2008 at 9:50 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746320missarchi
Participantthe luas drives in the car tunnel provided by the NRA… “the engineering option”
August 18, 2008 at 8:18 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746319missarchi
Participantgunter…
even if we don’t have grand central here its a 150m transfer big deal…
We also have the bus on the quays going east west we also have the red line and we will also have the interconnecter plus we can have a bus route past the tourist office towards merrion is that not enough???anyway this is what im thinking right now when things are really dead cars cannot go on dark grey
there could be a single luas track east west for the grave yard shiftsAugust 18, 2008 at 5:41 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746315missarchi
Participantwhat about Stephansplatz in Vienna and Graben
the full pedestrianization of College green does have potential with the option of controlled access!!!
And it is desirable… I would prefer cars have access at odd hours rather than luas ect
also makes me think of christshurch its a big shame about the interconnector…
no time for some archeology…
The Luas will wreck havok if you go straight down the middle to
spilt the square if you go on the sides the turning circles and paving is messy
The problem with the luas is its too big just like the buses…
It’s what a 100/200 metre walk to the metro station… small fryhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/houben/206325350/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tm_boris/1192233462/sizes/l/sunny dub you need to analysis the potential of the spaces before you go plocking luas everywhere
back streets are no place for a luas… you need a population/width/ and mini luas which we don’t have
yes gaudi was struck Oculus
August 18, 2008 at 8:46 am in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746305missarchi
ParticipantIt’s a start but its sad a civic framework plan would be prepared by the RPA…
It does no justice to the site st stephens green and all the other metro stations only go to prove this…
There is no detail and no passion no culture…
They have no grasp of the context however if the stop is made where suggested and does not continue it will be a very small start… I know the RPA are trying to keep things generic but with a PPP I would wonder what the results might be…I would ask that the plans go on public display for 6 weeks by that time I will have another proposal…
the tricolor is no photoshop…
missarchi
Participantthey have posted a tiny piece of the puzzle…
St Stephens green does not look too hot from those 3d’smissarchi
Participantwhat I cannot fathom is how they propose to add thousands more…
from the green to the con its one big yellow snake at 5:30August 16, 2008 at 6:49 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746301missarchi
Participantwhat I find sicking graham is they put up 100,000 euro for a FKN bridge why can’t they put up 500,000 in prizes for college green so many competitions in Ireland are for insignificant spaces… and a million for the green its peanuts in the scheme of things that interchange is worth around .5 billion
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/first-look-at-the-model-metro-1372877.html
I had a chat with the chief architect from the RPA he seems like a nice guy but I’m guessing he has been in a pressure cooker being pulled in every which way.
And he said the 15km Al Safooh light rail system will be the first in the world to have no overhead wires. Instead a “third rail” — or power supply built into the track bed — will be used to minimise the visual effect.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/first-look-at-the-model-metro-1372877.htmlI predict a riot!
August 16, 2008 at 10:23 am in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746296missarchi
Participantwhere would you draw the line??
just one idea of many we reuse the railings but trim down the height or the trim the stone upstand…
August 15, 2008 at 12:05 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746294missarchi
Participantpoint taken…
line F should stop before starbucks coming from the west
line BX should go round rotunda hospital back down the con
past the private response trophy bargaining board and gas do a triangle past the westin facing south & back upAugust 14, 2008 at 8:00 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746291missarchi
Participant@gunter wrote:
On the Luas, while I accept that it compromises the level of full pedestrianisation that can be achieved on a given street or square, to begin to reject the Luas on these kinds of grounds, for not doing enough to civilize the city, is just a step too far for me.
I don’t know which routes you’re suggesting, I can’t find good alternative routes, that’s the problem. Bearing in mind that if you pick a route that has a high loading of traffic, including bus traffic, already on it, like the Quays for example, the bulk of this displaced traffic will have to be accommodated on an alternative route and one travelling in much the same direction.
how about a compromise we lay the tracks and incorporate them into the hard landscaping design but don’t use them or don’t use them on weekends???
There are loads of routes!!! it comes down on how wet you wanna get and the metro route south of the green and other future rail options…
crayon time…
cscsb can you comment on the blue line impossible?
red line would be free city circle I know some of the turns are messy mini luas/bus ;)…
It’s so easy for CIE to connect into metro north… and we can get rid of that bridgehttps://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=7928&stc=1&d=1218740513
missarchi
ParticipantFrom this vantage, the staggering number of dublin bus vehicles that trundle through the city centre really does hit you !
yeap you will find most of them empty I hope CIE and RPA do a deal once the metro is in…
August 14, 2008 at 9:04 am in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746289missarchi
Participant@gunter wrote:
Even back in the days of it’s cobblestoned splendour, College Green was still more transportation hub, than pedestrian piazza.
no metro then!! maybe the the RIAI would organize something…
mr president you have nothing to lose;)
we just need a serious prize pool and a nice website…
all these people are lining up to see mamma mia
I hope dublin bus get first dibs as metro drivers…missarchi
ParticipantThe way I see this whole thing is damage limitation keep the advertising revenue coming in…
Don’t eat into the transport budget because we need the money for other things…;)
I would be curious as to what % of the transport budget is spent on bikes i’m guessing 0.001%
some party should come clean and demand 1-10% otherwise your just as bad as the rest…
damage limitation… and keeping the hand out of the honey pot, poor winney the pooh…August 10, 2008 at 1:40 pm in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746273missarchi
Participant@cgcsb wrote:
the railings around the old underground toilet at that junction are really lovely. I think that’d be a wonderful location for an enterence to the O’Connell Bridge metro station. It reminds me of the Parisian metro stations. I’m all for pedestrianisation but I still think there should be a bus lane or two and a reserved space for the luas
graham thanks for that barrage now can you just put it on the city architects to do list… and Mozart will be happy to sleep at nightwe can have space for luas / road space but it would be highly controlled to put it lightly… bollards flexible nice and easy 123…
we just need the right brief now… as for those toliets down with them in the station with those blue lights so people cannot see their veins…
and dublins newest modified light railing… for the entrance…
your question about views into peoples offices may be able to be fixed with a reflection pond or a moat if trinity have security issues could also have a thin strip of grass but the railings should come down I would think…
gotta picture of the place but no time…
August 7, 2008 at 7:53 am in reply to: college green/ o’connell street plaza and pedestrians #746260missarchi
Participantsecurity issues…
we could have have built in prevention measures thats kinda no fun….
wet n wild
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixsm18xxWZc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BbBuHTN7lo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agdhSFJOuIYor flame grilled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWVV-GDiFzY
any way if DCC are serious they would get jan gehl have a competition and bob is your uncle…
would override the traffic/security engineers in all of 2 seconds the engineers could even enter with a better idea…lyon may be a good example… Place des Terreaux
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