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ParticipantSaw it for first time last night. It struck me that it Would have been a great site for a very high spec residential block. Using this for yet more offices seems a waste. Especially poor quality ones…
The lights look well in a novelty kind of way. But they remind me of Marks and Spencer stores I’ve seen in the UK.
It dosn’t intrude onto dame street as badly as I had expected. Which is about as much praise as I can muster.
I cannot forgive the way it addresses the Sick and Indigent. It looks like a bodge job. You expect that in a couple of days we’ll see the top part filled in by a giant can of expanding filler foam cut back to fit with a rusty saw.
How well can the S&I chimmneys draw now? Surely they’ll hardly work at all with that built up so close?
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ParticipantThis is an interesting and hugely challenging project. I hope it goes well!
I wonder how the dominance of motor traffic throughout the area will be addressed. In particular the multi-stage crossings required to walk by the river from chq to eden quay.
The other tricky point will be reversing the complete abandonment of this area (also Eden Quay, and Burgh Quay) to the homeless, the addicts, and the mentally ill.
I think the opening up of the grounds of the Custom House would involve unlocking the gates rather than removing the railings…
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Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:

This sounds so familiar, a contentious planning application, opposition from local residents, a well known building, lack of any adequate security and a mysterious fire…..lets all ponder that for a minute!!
What was the planning app for ?
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ParticipantThe report is worth a look…
in a read it and weep kind of way…
[Warning – that’s nearly a full 10 mb of shame.
If you are on a slow connection the low res version is also available]Lotts
Participant@phil wrote:
Apologies for long link, but I don’t know how to make it appear as one word with all the other stuff hidden underneath (any suggestions on how to do this would be appreciated). Anyway, I think this is the main application from late July.
First, click on “go advanced
Then type in the word or phrase you want to become a html link – I used “link from phil” below.
Highlight the word or phrase
Click on the little globe looking icon (“Insert Link”) above the text editing box that you are typing in.
When prompted, paste in the URL you are linking to – ://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg etc etc etc.
That’s it.
Lotts
ParticipantPenny, Can I suggest that you, (and anyone else contemplating a one off build in the countryside) have a look at the following online document
It explains in detail what is wrong with most one-off designs, and gives very clear guidance on how to get things right. There’s lots of pictures and a lot of the guidelines make good sense throughout the country. Even in Meath.
Good luck!Lotts
ParticipantA story in todays Independent puts a lot of the discussion here in context
L-driver fined €1,500 for injuring cyclistA PROVISIONAL licence driver who knocked over a cyclist, leaving her with serious head injuries, has been fined €1,500 at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court.
Alan Smart (pictured right) of The Cloisters, Mount Tallant Avenue, Harold’s Cross, Dublin, crashed into Geraldine Murtagh’s bicycle after he overtook a car on the inside bus lane because he thought the driver was travelling too slowly.
A victim impact statement read out in court said that Ms Murtagh had suffered brain damage and was no longer able to live an independent life.
Mr Smart (28) pleaded guilty to dangerous driving causing serious harm to Ms Murtagh on Harold’s Cross Rd on December 31 2004.
Other offences, including speeding and driving with a provisional licence without accompaniment by a qualified driver, were taken into consideration.
Judge Katherine Delahunt accepted that he co-operated with gardai after going to the station voluntarily.
She also said she was satisfied that Mr Smart’s remorse was genuine.He was also disqualified from driving for two years.
Scary stuff. What an amazingly low fine –
Lotts
ParticipantThe area described by ctesiphon as a
“warren of brick vaulted tunnels/chambers running the length of the site that are subdivided arbitrarily and that lack any daylight at all”
would be brilliant for hosting a cabinet of curiosities as mentioned in notjims post.
I’m very in favour if the idea. If located in the vaults it would not even impact on the commercial offerings above.The extent of the vaults is visible in the plans in the
chq brochureAlthough only a portion of the area is open and available at the moment it seems.
Anyway , back on pointing. I think I’ve answered my own question with a bit of research: It was bothering me because it really looks like someone went to a lot of trouble to get it looking the way it does. What I described earlier today as looking wrong 😮 is indeed tuck-pointing and is absolutely correct from a conservation point of view, as it seems the building was originally finished in this way. The
Conservation Plan
says
“The external peripheral walls are built of bonded brickwork with imported brown/yellow stock facings laid in Flemish bond. The original lime mortar pointing is badly weathered but vestiges of old mortar indicate that the brickwork was formerly tuck-pointed. “It seems that in most cases tuck pointing was used to disguise poor quality, chipped and irregular bricks. This difficult, but essentially deceptive practice was described by J Seddon in the
Civil Engineer and Architects Journal in 1863 as “the lowest depth of the abomination into which modern practice has fallen.”
I’d love to show him how much further it was possible to fall with some of the horror pictures posted by Devin and others elsewhere on this site!I don’t think the bricks used in stack-a were too bad though, so I wonder was there an aesthetic reason in this case. …?
I don’t have any photos but there are pictures of similar here http://www.bricksandbrass.co.uk/deselem/extwall/point.htm
further history here: http://www.brickmaster.co.uk/tukcpointing.htm
So finally, it seems to me (after a little bit of educating myself), that the DDDA have done an excellent job on this aspect of the restoration too. 🙂 Well done!
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ParticipantI think it’s “tuck-pointing” but I don’t know any more than that. I wonder was it built like that?
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ParticipantAnyone know about the pointing on stack-A? It looks wrong to me, with the joints protruding from the brickwork. Is it meant to be like that?
Lotts
ParticipantThanks for the update StephenC – that’s made my day!
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ParticipantIf anyone want’s to see the other designs, they are at
http://www.irish-architecture.com/unbuilt_ireland/dublin/u2_tower/index.htmlThe winner imho is not an entirely crap design, but, as Devin points out, it is not worthy of a a major icon for Dublin.
Nobody I know that has looked through the list of entries has picked Craig Henry Architects entry as a favorite.Lotts
Participantwindmill lane is not the site. The tower is to be built at the end of Britain Quay where the Dodder joins the Liffey. Looking at some of your other photos you were there the other night! (Thanks for the pic by the way.)
Look at THISto see more detail.Lotts
ParticipantLotts
ParticipantI’ve been wondering why those bollards aren’t at the edge of the path. Any ideas?
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Participant@NeilA wrote:
Slightly off topic…. but does anyone have a picture of what Bolands Bakery on Grand Canal Street used to look like i.e. prior to it becoming the Treasury Building?
I’m not sure which is the bakery as oposed to the mill but here’s an example of some of the bolands buildings

taken from the appropriate section on the wonderful fantasyjackpalance.com/, you could look there. If you still don’t find it let me know the exact site, as I took a few pictures down that area myself a few years back, when digital cameras were a novelty…Lotts
Participant@markpb wrote:
I see Burger King have their huge adverts draped over the front of the building 😡 I could have sworn they did the same last year and were told to remove it, I can’t believe they did it again.
Edit: Crappy camera-phone photo
Graham is right on the dates 12th April 2005 is when the enforcement notice was issued.
Here’s what it was like for those who’ve forgotten
https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=32656&postcount=1147I contacted the planning department about this yesterday, but havn’t heard anything back yet.
Meanwhile I was wondering if anyone knows if the icecream sign be treated as a breach of the April ’05 notice. It is the same location, same owner and fundamentally the same breach. Are the penalties the same either way?Lotts
ParticipantThis has been stuck in my head for a while now, no idea where I put the card. Could be worth a fortune now!. However I did do some digging on the millennium clock:
The official name was the “Millennium Countdown” and it was the winner of a Dublin City Corporation competition held in 1996 for a countdown monument.
It consisted of the digital countdown tethered just below the water in the liffey, surrounded by mechanical reeds intended to emit a sound and light display.
On the bridge a “steel bollard” was to dispense souvenier postcards stamped with the number of seconds till the millennium. I recall the “bollard” was more like a big stainless steel box but I may be wrong. The postcards were real and it did work for a time.
When clock counted down to 000000000 the plan was that it would detatch itself and float off down river like at a viking funeral. The reeds were to combust, no doubt adding to the sense of occasion.
After the recent duck race where the organisers failed to check the tides and had the ducks going the wrong way up the Liffey I wonder would the same thing have happened on the big night?
The reeds in particular always looked messy, the clock looked good for a while. I think it was for a rowboat race or possibly the liffey swim that the clock was “temporarily” removed. Plan at time was to clean the clock and somehow address the slime attaching to it.
I dug most of this info from Angela Brady and Robin Mallalieu’s “Dublin , a guide to recent architecture” published back in 1997 (- well worth a look, don’t know if still in print). Here’s the closing comment from the book:
“The Architects [Hassett Ducatez] list their concepts as ‘a study of time, the immateriality of Time and the forces of Nature….. the most beautiful and astonishing clock in the world’. After such a build-up the reality can only dissapoint.”
Well that dissapoint certaintly came to pass!
Lotts
ParticipantI remember the postcard machine being pretty big, I thought it stood on the bridge rather than mounted on the parapet. Could be wrong though it was a long time ago… I have a postcard from it here somewhere – 20 pee well spent!
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ParticipantI like the clarion one. Well done!
In my google earth it appears to hover about 20 meters over the ground though. Is it supposed to do that?- AuthorPosts

