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Here are just some better images, long overdue I know, of the proposed Cork City Hall extension – designed by ABK, currently under First Phase preliminary construction by Cleary Doyle. The new 32m euro 4-storey extension will provide over 90,000sq ft of office space – to cater for the majority of CCC departments – in excess of 300 parking spaces underground and at roof level, and incorporate the latest environmentally friendly capabilities. To be honest with you, the external structure does little to inspire – but I have to say, the internal pedestrian walkway and office areas look closer to the money.
With the announcement that the Shandon Bridge, connecting Pope’s Quay with Cornmarket Street, will finally be opened next week, it would seem engineer and developer John Paul Lennon (also behind Sean Meehan’s withdrawm application for an over-river multi-storey car-park at Grenville Place) is back at it again!
Mr. Lennon has employed architect Sam Stephenson (of Central Bank and AIB HQ fame) to design a new proposal for a 30m euro retail and residential development…on a bridge, spanning Anderson’s Quay and St. Patrick’s Quay. This is Mr. Lennon’s second attempt at building a residential bridge at this location over the Lee. His previous application, back in 1998, consisted of a 5-storey structure over a specially constructed 73-metre bridge w/ 48 apartments and a commercial arcade. The application was refused – among the many reasons cited, it was stated the development would have constituted a major intervention on an unprecedented scale, which would irrevocably alter the spatial characteristics and dynamics of the city centre. One of the visual and architectural characteristics of the city is the openess of the quayside areas with views upstream and downstream giving a distinctive city image that would be significantly altered by the proposed development. The proposed development was claimed to be functionally isolated and not relating to either existing nor proposed pedestrian routes in the city.
Inspired by trips to Venice (Ponte de Rialto), Prague (Charles Bridge) and Florence (Ponte Vecchio), Mr. Lennon will now lodged an application for his development in Janurary of next year (2005). The new proposal would see a western bridge elevation used as an open pedestrian walkway, with the eastern elevation catering for an extensive shopping arcade. 12 apartments would be developed above these shops, ranging up to 3-storeys high – with 6 penthouses above this again. Mr. Lennon projects a 2-year construction period, hoping to see the proposal up and running by Christmas 2007.
Besides the fact that the sums don’t add up on this one, novelty aside, this would be a woeful addition to the city – especially at this location. Even were it to be built on a less imposing site, say somewhere back along the South Channel, I wouldn’t have such a problem with this – but I am confident CCC will cite the same reasons as before in its refusal.
*UPDATES*-> Now this one is a corker (no pun intended)! Frinailla Developments Ltd applied to demolish the existing structures on their Watercourse Road sites (that of the 40m euro residential development fame) and conduct subsurface investigations. A few weeks later, in 3 seperate applications, Frinailla lodged their development intentions for a new 5-storey residential and community services development (see previous posts). When the planning decision came about earlier today fort he first batch of applications (related to excavations) – CCC refused grant based on the fact that no development proposal was attached to the applications, and therefore it could not justify a grant where such demolition and excavation would create an unsightly street-scape and cause a resident nuisance (i.e. asbestos etc). So, perhaps if Frinailla had just lodged their development intentions at the same time as part of a single application (in which excavation work was sought alongside the development proposal) – planning may perhaps have been granted. It all sounds a bit arse-ways to be honest. But I kind of see where CCC are coming from on this one. Frinailla just caused themselves more grief in a move they probably thought was smarter than it actually was. Hopefully their residential plan will get through this time at least.
– However, I’m sure Frinailla will be delighted by the fact that they were today granted planning by ABP for a 70m 206 unit residential development near Ballincollig and Carrigrohane today. Among the conditions of grant was a point citing Frinailla must allocate a proportion of their development to Cork County Coucil’s affordable housing scheme. Kieran Conway of Frinailla didn’t seem to unhappy about the condition.
-> Justin Canty has sold his site along the Victoria Cross Road for an undisclosed sum (in excess of 1.5m euro). The site had F.P.P. for a 5-storey student apartment building with 24 apartments (73 individual rooms), underground car-park, laundry, 3 medical units, security office and other ancillary facilities. The building, designed by O’Shea Leader, boasts extensive roof-top gardens also. A S50 development, the building will most likely head for immediate construction to meet the 2006 deadline – that’s if the un-named buyer avails of the planning permission.
-> Sean Meehan has withdrawn his application for Outline Permission of a 3-storey, multi-level car-park and commercial units development over the River Lee (on stilts!!!) at Grenville Place (adjacent to the Mercy University Hospital). The application faced a horrid ride through planning – co-developer and engineer John Paul Lennon cites that it was better withdrawn than refused. Mr. Lennon is apparently back at the drawing-board for another application later next year.
-> P&A Herlihy have sold their premises, ‘The Loft’ on Cornmarket Street to a private developer. The furniture operation will however remain in place for a time-being.
-> John Mannix’s expectant 40-42 Washington Street retail, office and residential development has issued its second bash of Further Info (requested 16th Nov 2004 and received 23rd Nov 2004). A number of amendments have been again made to the development – including a reduction in apartment numbers, layouts and office space. I agree with the initial alteration of reducing the 7th-storey (which was boxy and unsightly) amended in the first Further Info request, but I’m not quite sure if these new alterations will benefit the development much. A decision date is now set for the 20th December 2004. (4 days after another landmark decision date for O’Callaghan Properties’ Jurys Development on the 16th.) I hope a positive outcome is found for both projects.
2005 Development OutlookA number of ‘carry-over’ projects are scheduled for 2005 – including the construction of Rockfell’s exciting and long-awaited department store and apartment development on Cornmarket Street, the construction of Frinailla’s Grand Parade Plaza (FINALLY!!!), the will it ever happen Cork School of Music, Cork City Hall’s 32m, 90,000sq ft extension (already under construction), Fleming Construction’s student development at Victoria Cross, UCC’s 150,000sq ft IT Centre at the former Western Road Greyhound Stadium and hopefully O’Callaghan Properties’ Jurys Hotel development and John Mannix’s Washington Street development (see above).
Decisions due will include Frinailla’s Watercourse Road development, the Kino Cinema redevelopment, Howard Holdings’ Hotel and Retail Development for Lavitts Quay (due to be lodged in mid-December), O’Flynn Construction’s Eglinton Street development – plus a number of other projects scheduled to be lodged before the year end.
Projects due to be lodged for 2005 – are expected to include, Howard Holdings’ Albert Quay office building, Werdna Ltd’s amended Water Street development, a new application by the Kenny Group for 50 Grand Parade (South Main Street Car Park), plans for the Capitol Cineplex by Ward Anderson – a number of exciting quayside/docklands proposals – plus whatever plans developers have in store for the city. A major anticipated deal, is expected for the Brooks Haughton site bordered by Copley Street, South Terrace and Union Quay, as well as an announcement for the Careys Tool Hire facility on Terence McSwiney Quay and Albert Road.
2005, Cork’s year as Capital of Culture, should reign in a number of new investment projects – a myriad of demographics are working in favour for Cork over the coming years. Expect 2003, 2004 and 2005 to only mark the tip of the ice-berg for what may be yet to come. A particular focus is expected on the docklands – perhaps some movement on Horgan’s Quay? Only time will reveal that one.
There are a number of other exciting projects in the pipeline but unfortunately, I can’t discuss all of those as of yet, but when I can, you’ll undoubtedly hear about it first.
Yes, theblimp, I just came home today and briefly saw the article. If you have a copy, do you think you could upload the comparitive drawing on the bottom of the article page – the one that includes Cork County Hall.
The design is similar, but I am sure it is predominantly mere coincidence. So far, the high-rise planned for Cork seem of a relatively quality standard – but none of them really rise much above that at County Hall as is. Cork County Hall reaches 66m in its current form (will be mildly higher come renovation completion), Water Street (in it’s original form) reached 69m and Eglinton Street will reach 70m (80m at spire). However, there is a small possibiIity the Water Street Tower may be increased in height ever so slightly – depending on the final decision of options presented by MOLA. In addition, the high-rise proposals for Horgan’s Quay are expected to top 70m (w/ one of the buildings at least) – while a pre-planning proposal for a Kennedy Quay development may yet incorporate a centre-piece building of 25-storeys.
But we’ll just have to wait and see. I just hope the standard is up to scratch on all the proposals.
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Just while we’re talking about all these stores and such, as reported by Neil Callahan in the Sunday Business Post (21st November 2004) and I can confirm this also, the UK Department Store chain John Lewis have been seeking to locate a premises in ‘southern Ireland’. By southern, I don’t mean the Republic, I’m referring to the Munster region – and I am told, to be more specific, southern Ireland means Cork. I have also heard Michael O’Donoghue has been having talks with a number of possible tenants for his Cornmarket Street (Rockfell) Department Store and Apartment Development – I just wonder (cough cough) if John Lewis was among one of them???@sw101 wrote:
lexington,
can you recommend somebody in the IAWS (development officer/designer/anyone really) who might be able to help me get survey drawings or other info on the R&H Hall silo on kennedy quay? i’m doing my thesis on redeveloping it as a design institute and any help would be appreciated.
thanks
I’ll look into it for you – I’ll try and have details for you tomorrow as I’ll be away for the rest of the week.
@phatman wrote:So Lexington, Dunnes have won the bid for the centre? What a pity, was hoping marks & sparks would come good. That must be 9 or 10 stores they have in the city alone now, a bit excessive, eh? Could really do with some competition. Any other confirmed tenants?
It would seem that way – I can confirm that M&S were in talks with O’Flynn Construction – but it seems Dunnes put forward the best offer and that won the day. It’s a shame really – that’s 2 developments M&S seem to have lost out on (the other being Mahon Point – which Tesco ultimately took). I would like to see some diversity too – the city is saturated with Dunnes, which in my own personal opinion – offer little by way of individuality or speciality. They stock and provide the same old same old as everything like SuperValu, Tesco, Superquinn (who were interestingly also in talks with O’Flynn Construction about BTC) etc etc. At least M&S bring a little diversity. Their Irish stores are well recognised as being its most profitable. However, there is a mild rumour, M&S have not yet wholly withdrawn from talks, and may be contemplating a smaller unit for its Simply Food brand. We’ll have to wait and see.
-> Frinailla Developments Ltd have lodged 2 applications for their Watercourse Road, Blackpool development project. After their previous proposal for the 2 sites was refused by both CCC and ABP. This new proposal consists of 2 lots – of which the first site at Coral Seafood Ltd, and Kelly’s Garage, 44 – 47 Watercourse Rd, Hillgrove Lane consists of the demolition of all existing structures to facilitate a mixed use residential, office and commercial development. The proposed development will range in height from 1 – 5 storeys and will consist of 57 no. residential units including 8 no. 1 bedroom apartments, 2 no. 1 bedroom duplex units, 27 no. 2 bedroom apartments, 10 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 3 no. 3 bedroom houses, 4 no. 3 bedroom duplex units and 3 no. 3 bedroom apartments. The proposed development also includes 1 no 510 m2 office, 267 m2 back, 2 no. retail units with net retail area of 63.5 m2 and 78 m2. Parking for the development will be provided in a basement car park which will continue under Hillgrove Lane and join with the underground car park proposed on the adjacent site.
This adjacent site (Joe McSweeney shop, frmr John Denny & Son bld, 147 snooker club,2nd hand, store+48-52Watercourse Rd) will see the demolition of all existing structures to facilitate a mixed use residential, community facilities and comm. dev. The prop dev will range in height from 2–5 storeys consisting of 96 no. residential units incl. 17 no. 1 bedroom apts, 40 no. 2 bedroom apts, 20 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 2 no. 3 bedroom houses, 9 no. 3 bedroom duplex units and 8 no. 3 bedroom apts. The prop dev also incl. a public library of 966 m2, a 504 m2 creche, a first floor med centre of 282 m2, a convenience retail unit of 529 m2, 5 no. retail units with net retail areas of 105 m2, 83 m2, 71 m2, 74 m2, 77 m2 and an 84 m2 café/rest. Parking for the dev will be provided in a basement car park which extends under Allinet’s Lane and cont. under Hillgrove Lane to join with the other underground car park prop at adjacent site. The prop dev incl provision for a public plaza to Watercourse Road, the upper of Allinet’s Hill and Hillgrove Lane, inclg amendment to the width of the latter and all assoc. site dev works.
McCutheon Mulcahy are the planning consultants. John Paul Construction will be the main contractors. A decision due date is pending.
And just on the note of Frinailla, those of you familiar with the design for their Grand Parade Plaza project (scheduled for primary construction this comining Janurary – after an extensive and long excavation period) – and for those of you who complain about Richard Rainey’s so-so design ~ all I can say is, be thankful the original plan for the site didn’t make the final cut. See below.
Here (below) is an image of what IS going ahead. Note the MILD improvement. (Cough cough)
Below, find an image from the Ballincollig Main Street perspective looking across to O’Flynn Construction’s new Ballincollig Town Centre development – under construction. The CG Image shows a pedestrian walkway leading into the new commercial centre which will contain 100,000sq ft of offices within the former military barracks square – and a new Shopping Centre development nearby (to be anchored by Dunnes Stores).
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🙂 Johnson & Perrott Ltd have been granted planning for their 8m euro new dealership at Mahon Point. The development will house 3 J&P dealerships (Volvo, Honda & Opel) under the one roof of the SDA O’Flynn designed, 8,000sq ft building. The 10.29 metre high facility will not only house the dealerships, repair workshops and customer areas – but an internet cafe, kindergarten and well-being area. The development is part of a deal negotiated between J&P and O’Callaghan Properties – with the latter acquiring J&P’s existing showroom premises on Emmet Place. The city centre site will be incorporated into OCP’s plans for a 6-storey, 150m euro retail quarter and apartment development due for construction come December 2006.
😮 Coveney and Associates have submitted additional Significant Further Information to CCC w.r.t. John Mannix’s 6-storey retail, office and residential development at 40 – 42 Washington Street. A number of alterations have been made to the project incl. a reduction in the number of apartments, a reduced floor and layout alterations. CCC have req’d Further Info for the project twice – a decision date was due for Nov 18th this month, but will be significantly put back as a result of this move.Camus – this is a very serious issue as you are well aware. In the interest of clarity – the word ‘collapsed’ is not accurate I admit, and I wholly apologise for its use, as in actuality, fragments of the upper roof structure – which had been subject to dereliction, and aided by the memorable ill weather Cork experienced that tragic week – broke away and fell to street level. However, a young lady from the Blarney area was sadly DOA at the Mercy Hospital that night and her boyfriend was left without use of his lower limbs. It’s a very sensitive and very sad situation which I think is still present in the minds of many Cork persons. I personally knew those involved. I have no reports or inquiries into this particular tragedy at my immediate disposal (however, it can be sought and I have seen it – though admittedly, not in the complete detail I would usually assess such things, as it was in years before I became fully involved in the work I do now) – but I do not think the conclusions are deniable regardless. It is a legal issue that I believe has since been rectified. The remaining upper-floor structures of the building were renovated in the interests of public safety. So I apologise for use of the word ‘collapsed’. I am very aware of the public nature of this forum – incidents with TCH have highlighted this to me personally, so I am cautious about what I post w.r.t. accuracy. Any information that I do not have personal involvement in, or personal responsibility in retrieving myself (which is the vast majority), I receive from reputable or informed sources (which I also refer to by way of liability issues – something TCH tend not to do). I am fully aware of the responsibilities with which such statements are made – more aware than you may realise – and I always back up such statements were possible and when requested. If there is ever a scenario in which I cannot for whichever reasons may there-arise, I will always retract my statement and offer my apologises w/ an acknowledgement of my fault until I can wholly proof it otherwise. At this stage, I would then expect my accusors to accept their own misjudgements. Thank you for pointing this issue out Camus, you are correct that the mentioned building was indeed not the source of this tragedy – and it was further up the street. I would never consciously or purposely misinform members – so far, I can say with my hand on my heart, I never have.
Leesider – I may have a copy of the Irish Examiner lying about and I’ll try and get that image up for you – it’s a nice shot indeed.Also, w.r.t. Carey’s Tool Hire – there is a myriad of rumours in circulation regarding their premises on Albert (Terence McSwiney) Quay. Subsequent to the purchase of the Sextant Bar, lands facing Albert Road and in light of the situation that arose involving O’Briens Office Supplies & Howard Holdings on Clontraf Street – Carey’s are said to be looking into drawing up plans for a substantial commercial and office complex/building on these lands. In light of this, it is believed they intend to relocate to a more accessible and suitable premises for further, future business growth and development. It remains most likely, they will sell (if the above rings true) their premises w/ FPP. Initial reports cite a 6-storey, contemporary structure fronting Albert Quay and Old Station Road, gradually stepping back to 4-storeys at Albert Road (in respect of nearby residential units). Watch this space!
phatman – although I am aware of the site in question, and the recent ownership issues surrounding it – I can’t say I read last Thurs week’s Irish Examiner concerning the site’s development. I know it is being assessed, but not aware of what exactly is being assessed. I would agree that it is ideal for a landmark office development – and, though small as it is, has beautiful potential. I’m now curious myself and will look into it come next week. I’ll let you know more if I can when info becomes available. Clearly, in order to max. such a small compact space, building up is the most sensible option. Though 9-storeys may be a little excessive – 7 perhaps given the height of nearby No.6 and City Quarter – would seem more ideal, but I suppose it all depends on the design as well.
-> Bowen Construction were contracted by O’Flynn Construction to develop No.6 Lapps Quay – the building is interesting in that it is more 2-buildings than 1 single building. The Oliver Plunkett Street elevation is being complete first structurally (this elevation steps back to 4 1/2 storeys, stepping to 6 at the Lapps Quay elevation.) This section will be complete as part of Phase 2 in construction to minimise disturbance to existing businesses in neighbouring No.5 Lapps Quay of which No.6 is a 60,000sq ft extension.
The Irish Examiner have indicated that they intend only to make their move to City Quarter in mid-to-late 2006. The City Quarter Development would be complete a year before Examiner operations transfer. O’Callaghan Properties have said they don’t plan to begin construction on Academy Street until late-2006. It’ll probably take until then for the planning application to get through the process – which will undoubtedly be one that involves ABP somewhere along the way. It doesn’t make clear sense to me to leave 32,000sq ft of office space vacant for a year – but that’s what The Irish Examiner seem to have opted for. However, plans may yet change. OCP won’t be lodging any application for Academy Street until at least mid-2005 (and that’s just guess work on my behalf). I know the primary plans are drawn up – but I don’t have any fixed application dates. When I do, I’ll let you know.
Howard Holdings on the other hand, are due to lodge their application for 16 Lavitts Quay this coming December for a 120-bedroom budget hotel, with 2 floors of retail space and 50 undergound parking spaces. It is rumoured – and I’m not 100% on this yet, that R. Arthur’s corner former ‘Balloon Surprise’ shop may have been purchased by Howard Holdings to incorporate into their development. The store was not part of the Irish Examiner office building development. Hopefully, it’ll give the quay a more organised appearance. The actions by Howard Holdings also mark the beginning of a more aggressive expansion into Cork development – as posted earlier.
I can’t speak for what Ward Anderson themselves have planned – as they are only beginning their own investigations. But previous plans by developers sought to aim predominantly towards retail, office and residential activities. The site has been earmarked by the City Manager for higher-order retail use. Offices and residential would not be favourable at this location – but I suppose it all depends on the plans. However, there is a new plan in the works – which it is hoped will be put to Ward Anderson over the coming weeks.
IRISH EXAMINER OFFICES AT CITY QUARTER
😉 FINALLY…something I’ve been itching to let known since last July, and now I can. The Irish Examiner are to relocate their non-printing operations to 30,000sq ft of offices at Howard Holdings new City Quarter development on Lapps Quay. The top 2 floors of the City Quarter office building and 2,000sq ft on the ground floor will house the new Irish Examiner HQ. If you remember my posts back in August that Kilquane Ltd (Howard Holdings) were seeking permission (which was eventually granted) for an additional floor of office space to their office building at City Quarter – this was a result of talks with Thomas Crosbie Holdings (the Irish Examiner’s parent holding company). You may remember my recent post stating that 70% per cent of the City Quarter offices had been sold or prelet – this was predominantly due to the Irish Examiner’s interest. It’s a move that makes sense.
Also, you may remember that I posted a ‘Deal Agreed’ status was held on the Examiner’s Lavitts Quay site – this was part of the deal with TCH. Howard Holdings will now take possession of the Lavitts Quay site and develop a 120-bedroom budget hotel w/ 2 floors of retail space & basement parking for 50 cars. An application will be lodged in December – design is by Reddy O’Riordan Staehli (who had originally designed the Irish Examiner HQ building for the site). Construction will begin immediately on grant. PJ Hegarty will be main contractors. This also allows Howard Holdings complete an intention they had been investigating through Carlton Investments for a similar hotel on Lavitts Quay back in 2000 – the site was later purchased by O’Callaghan Properties and incorporated into their 21 Lavitts Quay development.
CAPITOL CINEPLEX:p In a recent post, I outlined the history associated with the redevelopment of the Capitol Cineplex – and the history stemming from that between Ward Anderson and O’Callaghan Properties. Although up until recently, OCP had been keeping an interest on such a valuable site (they have now indicated their intention to focus primarily on their Academy Street block), you may remember that I announced in that post I came to knowledge of ownership issues concerning the site. I can confirm to you now that Ward Anderson have indeed retained ownership of the Capitol and are now, as prev. mentioned, assessing development options – in conjunction with CCC.
Designs I had outlined previously involved a number of developers who had approached Ward Anderson about the site, namely Limerick-based John Costelloe. Robert Butler was also a name mentioned.
Though Ward Anderson admit they will see the site developed, they are leaning predominantly toward attaining FPP and then putting the site to auction.
CITY PROPERTIES LTD BRING CAPTAIN AMERICAS TO CORK🙂 City Properties Ltd (owners of the Queen’s Old Castle, Savoy, Classic Bar etc) and who recently were granted planning to redevelop the rear of the Queen’s Old Castle (along South Main Street) for purposes of a restaurant w/ roof garden and nightclub – have announced that they intend to bring the Captain America’s Restaurant Brand (of Grafton Street fame) to Cork at this development. The restaurant will be spread over 2 floors. Wagamama – the international noodle house will also be located at the development. Ridge Developments are the main contractors and are on site already. Design is by Kiosk Architects.
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🙂 Frinailla Developments today outlined their intentions for their sites on the Watercourse Road, Blackpool in the local media. As mentioned in one of my previous posts – Frinailla have dramatically scaled back their project – which in its original 7-storey, 70m euro incarnation was refused by both CCC and ABP. The new proposal cites a development of 153 residential units, with a landmark library, new Garda Station, medical centre, new retail units, supermarket, creche etc. The development will be predominantly 3-storeys in height and provide 100 underground parking spaces. Global Properties and FML will handle sales. John Paul Construction are signed to be main contractors. An application will be lodged soon with CCC. Depending on a decision due date – completion of the project will take 2 years. A decision is currently in the waiting for Frinailla to demolish the existing structures on site and commence sub-surface investigations – something which has proven rewarding for the development company at their Grand Parade Plaza development site. These excavations may affect the development commencement date also.
@kingcronin wrote:
Hi ya Lexington…( Knowledgeable One) !!
Regarding the capitol cinema on the grand parade:
Do you know who bought Central Shoes Stores ?? ….I think the same group/person purchased the Oster Bar also, behind the Capitol, for almost twice its value … (Oster was bought by scribben group 2years ago for 3.2 million and recently purchased for a whopping 6 million by someone!!? ) Thus, would you think the purchasing of the surrounding property around the Capitol Cinema means only one thing for the Capitol, the Grand Parade and Cork City.? Any drawings for plans on the grand parade.
Cheers
Hi kingcronin,
there’s no question about the Capitol Cineplex being redeveloped – it will be happening, take it from me. Ward Anderson’s decision to keep the cineplex in business for the foreseeable is more based on ‘concerns’ raised by the public (aka being dogged by the Evening Echo for a story and responding with a ‘get off our back’ answer) rather than providing a definitive position on its intentions for the site. Yes the cinema business is doing well in Cork at the moment, a trend Ward Anderson are hoping to soak up – the Capitol being currently its only real city centre presence in cinema activities. When the Omniplex opens at Mahon Point in Feburary 2005 – Ward Anderson may be willing to discuss more openly its intentions for the Capitol.
In part, one of the reasons the Cineplex hasn’t been redeveloped as of yet, has got to do with a myriad of complications mostly associated with O’Callaghan Properties – stemming back to Ward Anderson’s first talks with the company relating to Mahon Point. O’Callaghan Properties had been seeking to gain a stronger presence in the city centre especially for purposes of retail. The Capitol provided a unique development opportunity and was part of discussions between the 2 companies when brokering a deal. Though ‘officially’ this can’t be verified, it was very clear, O’Callaghan Properties (OCP) had been drawing up plans for quite sometime w.r.t. the Capitol. Moves were taken to guarantee the site – and this was instrumental in Ward Anderson gaining its presence at the 11-screen multiplex in Mahon Point, despite strong competition from UCI and Ster Century (see previous Mahon Point tenant list post I made a few months back). However, when Thomas Crosbie Holdings drew up their intentions for Lavitts Quay and Academy Street back in 2000 (MP had been in the works since [officially] 1996), an opportunity arose for OCP to gain a substantially larger city centre site in a prime location. Since then, deals were brokered with Johnson and Perrot (now with a new 8m euro premises intended for MP – decision due on 18th Nov), Taboo & associated retail premises fronting Patrick’s Street, ESB, Grand Circle Lounge, Barter Travel and Ryan’s Pharmacy – among others. This gave OCP a .6acre city centre block with far greater development potential. The Irish Examiner HQ sold for 30m – after OCP presented its plans to TCH. Clearly, OCP’s intentions lay with the 150m Academy Street development after all this – a rival retail project at the Capitol would damage this. However, such a valuable premises in the shape of the Capitol would be one foolish to let go. Persons in the know – made a number of moves to buy up surrounding properties they believed necessary to support any Capitol development (I do have names but would rather not dispense them as of yet – maybe closer to any development move). It is my current understanding that after consultation with OCP, Ward Anderson continued to operate the Capitol business – which suited well in light of the aforementioned business environment. However, the scenario with the Capitol has not put off other developers from approaching Ward Anderson with proposals – some of which I outlined in previous posts. I today received more information on ownership issues relating to the Capitol and its surrounds (hence the delay in my reply) – however as you can understand, I’ve to keep my mouth closed for a while. I will let you and everyone else interested know when I can ~ I always do, but for now, that’s pretty much the story.
Bob (Republican supporter???),
I have objection copies and the full planning report thank you. In the above post, it is unreasonable for me to include full details of the planning report as it takes up a considerable amount of space – which is highly inappropriate, hence, I pick out some main points and post them.
If you read the above post you’ll see I agree with the CCC [Cork City Council] decision too. ( Quote: lexington – “Although I’m disappointed in seeing development lost to an area so badly needing of it – I have to agree with CCC on this one. Hopefully Old Friary will revise their plans and come back with something of a higher quality. ” )
I read the report and had a chat with an individual from Castle Close and I totally agree with the decisions taken. When I cited my disappointment – it’s a disappointment that a potential rejuvenating development for Shadon Street Area has been lost, but clearly, a development such as this under the circumstances it stirred is unacceptable. I would be anxious to see a standard of development at this location which compliments the new renewal of Shadon Street and works well with its fine residents. Hence why I hope Old Friary pull up their socks and get to work on a project of a greater suitability with concern to neighbouring residents and the historic Shandon Street area as a whole. So, there’s no real argument here – I’m 100% behind you on this one.
[P.S. When I refer to quality, I don’t specifically refer to aesthetics – it’s inclusive of how the project affects its neighbours, the quality of life it supports to its residents (of which this project was lacking to say the least) and the quality of the surrounding environment resultant of the development (e.g. traffic management, refuse etc).]
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:rolleyes: Thomas Crosbie Holdings have received permission from CCC to forward with the construction of their new printing press facility at Mahon Point – a facility that will be leased out to newly formed company Webprint Concepts – who subsequently will publish all Thomas Crosbie Holdings titles bar the London-centred Irish Post.
The development essentially consists of a new manufacturing building comprising a press hall of 19.5m in height, mail room, newspaper reel storage, ink storage, plate making, control room, maintenance rooms, plant rooms, external plant enclosures, storage areas, offices, staff amenities, lunch room & sprinkler tank pumphouse, all of a total floor area of 4,075 sq. m. and associated development including site roadway, vehicle manoeuvring areas, delivery and dispatch areas, car parking, sprinkler tank, emergency generators, waste compaction and storage, site fencing, gates and vehicle barriers. Site services including water, electrical, gas and telecoms supply, connection to foul sewer and storm water discharge, site lighting, CCTV cameras, site works and mounding, landscaping all on a site of 1.42 hectares.
Design is by RKD McCarthy Lynch.
-> Meanwhile the other prominent TCH development site at 16 Lavitts Quay (new HQ) – though ‘officially’ under offer – has moved on to advanced stages of agreement. A ‘Sale Agreed’ status is expected to be confirmed soon.
:confused: Old Friary Place Developments Ltd. of Blarney have been refused permission to redevelopment a derelict site off Shadon Street. The proposed development consisted of 2 No. 3 storey blocks incorporating ground floor 5 no. one bedroom apartments, first floor 5 no. two bedroom duplex units with 4 no. car parking spaces, turning area and all associated site works at Old Friary Place. CCC Planners cited inappropriate development and reasons contrary to sustainable development of the area for the refusal. They also noted the poor quality and standard of design – the REAL reason for refusal. Although I’m disappointed in seeing development lost to an area so badly needing of it – I have to agree with CCC on this one. Hopefully Old Friary will revise their plans and come back with something of a higher quality. Architects = DFOD Consultants.
😡 And in conflict to my report earlier today, CCC have just this evening requested ‘Clarification’ on John Mannix’s Washington Street development (Further Info was requested in May and received in October) – the decision due date of Nov 18th 2004 will now undoubtedly be pushed back again.@Leesider wrote:
just saw this in breakingnews http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/11/15/story175995.html
Patrick St the best shopping street in the country?? thought that would have gone to Grafton St, good to see though! anyone have any info on this new landmark or even better still any images??
Leesider, if you remember in a post I made a good couple of weeks ago – I mentioned that a number of developers were looking at erecting a statue or monument in the middle of Cork city – well, this is the fruition of those intentions. The developers being Howard Holdings, the middle of Cork city being Lapps Quay and the height (though the original talk was for a 40m statue [as reported initially], this was later proved excessive and unsuitable – the statue is now to be a little over 50ft.)
Greg Coughlan, originally of Ballydehob and CEO of Howard Holdings, is the man pushing this statue. A local Cork artist was commissioned to design the 500,000 euro project – which will be located at the City Quarter development on Lapps Quay. Howard Holdings also confirmed their intention to open 2 more hotels in Cork (in addition to the Clarion at City Quarter) – 1 in Kinsale and 1 in West Cork. On that note, Greg Coughlan is moving back to Cork city after spending a number of years developing Howard Holdings interests in London. Howard Holdings are making this move as a gesture of their confidence in Cork city as a development location – and besides City Quarter and Albert Quay developments – I can tell you, Howard Holdings have a number of large-scale and very intriguing projects in planning for Cork for over the next 10 years. Predominantly focused on the Docklands Area. One gentleman with the company has told me, Howard intend to continue working in the UK and Dublin markets, but have decided the main strategic interests are more suited to being focussed on Cape Town & SA (through Eurocape Investments) and Cork city (as Howard Holdings). It’s a nice boost of confidence for Cork.
Over 70% of the City Quarter office development has been sold and/or pre-let. Howard’s other nearby office development at Anglesea Street (Copley Hall), has seen its remaining office unit come under ‘Deal Agreed’ status – marking a continued up-surge in the Cork office market.
I’ll look into getting images of that statue soon.
John Mannix’s Washington Street project is due it’s decision date this Thursday.As far as I know Galway does get mentions – but I see no harm in promoting a Galway-based thread (like the way Cork has its own thread called ‘Look at de state of Cork, like!’). I think it’ll make for a nice balance – with each relevant city having its own voice. I know many people involved in this forum would have a large interest in the happenings of Galway. Perhaps you can keep us up to date?
In 1944 Ben Dunne Sr, a Cork resident (though born in the North), set up the first Dunnes Stores on Patrick’s Street near Bowling Green Street after working with a number of other retaillers here and abroad The store is still in operation today, though expanded substantially. It is in line for a 35m euro redevelopment and expansion in the near future, If you have ever shopped in Dunnes and purchased one of their brown ‘bag for life’ shopping bags – an image of the original Cork store (Dunnes first) is printed on it. A number of other stores were later opened around Cork – subsequent to that, the business opened its first store in Dublin, where later Ben Dunne Sr. moved his family and a new HQ was established.
”Home and/or birthplace to some of Ireland’s most prominent indigenous businesses ” <- is actually how I phrased it more accurately. Don't believe me, check out the history on their website. http://www.dunnesstores.com/history_opening.ds
See for Roches as well! http://www.roches-stores.ie/corpwww/history.html
CSO projections for 2004 indicate that in dispersal of economic activity generation throughout the island of Ireland, 72bn of the 190bn euro economy can be attributed to activities in or associated with Cork – considering export values from the pharma sector estb’d in Cork Harbour region and city based IT. Indigeneous business activity. Tax receipts. Tourist value (incl. Cork/Kerry Region) – Cork city alone = 441m euro p.a. (based on static fig. carried over from year ended 2003 w/ 341,000 city visits – see CCC, Southwest (Cork/Kerry)Tourist Board and CSO). Development and Investment – (a better example of this is considering [in terms of development] that between the 3 largest Cork-based development companies (O’Flynn Construction, O’Callaghan Properties and Clayton Love – Howard Holdings to a lesser extent w/ offices only in Cork and official base in Dublin) – current development expenditure for Cork City = 500m BTC, 500m MP, 30m Lavitts Quay, 20m Boreenmanna Rd, 100m Blackpool Park, 100m City Quarter, 60m Douglas Village SC, 100m Eglinton Street, 150m Academy Street, 160m Jurys, 300m Dunkettle = 2bn (excess) alone) excl. projects by Treasury, OSB, Corbett, Hanranka, SHUL, Frinailla, Rockfell, Mannix, Victoria Hall, Rathmelton. etc etc and small investors).
If you’re interested in a clearer breakdown of figures, just ask! I’ve about 12 books full of statistics and would be happy to forward you the appropriate addresses where you can attain such briefs for yourself. They on average cost 20euros each except one from CCC (the Development Plan 2004) for which a paperback copy costs 50euros.
Thanks for your interest PaulC.
(P.S. If you want more Cork originated or based company histories – there’s plenty more where that came from. I’d be more than happy to oblige).
@Rockflanders wrote:
where’s cork?
Of course, how rude of us. Cork is that city in the South with a greater area home to a quarter-of-a-million people, hub to just under half-a-million people and regional capital to 1.3m people in Ireland. It’s resposnible directly for 72bn euros of Ireland’s 190bn euro economy. The centre of pharmaceautical excellence and development in Ireland. Home and/or birthplace to some of Ireland’s most prominent indigenous businesses (e.g. Musgraves, Roches Stores, Dunnes Stores, Horizon Technologies, Baltimore Technologies, O’Callaghan Properties, the Bowen Group, Dairygold, Golden Vale, etc etc) – and as a result, is responsible for the creation directly and indirectly of over 100,000 Dublin centred jobs (full and part-time).
Even I, who originally hails from Dublin – laughs a Dublin’s inflated image of itself. Dublin based threads dominate this forum, so be it, I have no problem with it – but this is not a Cork versus Dublin thread, it is the one thread (I recognise the other related threads, not forgetting) that allows those with an interest in the progress of Cork as the nation’s second city (and mythical ‘Real Capital’ 🙂 ) discuss and receive information concerning the city. It doesn’t need low-brow cracks from condescending chin-ups staining its discussions. There are plenty of other threads on which to do so. If your comment has made you feel temporarily superior and smart for ‘getting one in’ – well done, but its not welcome here.
I have never gone on a Dublin thread and knocked it for its faults – as the nation’s capital and my hometown I follow those threads with a quiet interest. Perhaps you should do the same – and if you have no interest, don’t insult those that do.
