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Yeah burge_eye – I’ve just seen that -> 7 additional objections have been accepted dated for November 2004. Initially 21 objections were lodged. However, because O’Callaghan Properties lodged Significant Further Information (w/ design alterations) – a period of submission acceptance was open in light of this change. This is perfectly acceptable. Only 7 objections were lodged against this, as oppose to the original 21. That’s mixed news – as oppose to bad news.
Though I had my initial doubts too, the more I have read through the detail of this project since it was lodged, the greater favour I find with it. The least favourable aspect is the hotel design, but beyond this, I feel the loss of this project is to the detriment of Cork. There is a lot of small mindedness involved with some of these objections. It’s a pity.
I genuinely hope next Thursday finds favour with this troubled (planning wise) project – if it does, we’re almost certain to see ABP become involved. Shame.
-> the diff. w/ Eglinton Street is that CCC allowed objections to be validated passed the closing submission date. No just cause was cited. And the developer was given misinformation concerning this. It was very poorly managed by CCC. I only hope it is rectified – further to that, I hope such actions are acknowledged and recompensed come planning decision time.
@bunch wrote:
submissions on a planning application may be made within 5 weeks of the validation of the planning application – is it the cas ethat these submissions were received after the 5 weeks? Whether there was a Further Information requested or not, any submissions after the 5 weeks should (under the Planning and Development Act) be returned to the sender and not be accepted!
The submissions were made well passed the final submission date – the CCC claim to have adopted ‘a sympathetic stance regarding objectors’ due to the exceptional nature of the development. Utter tripe. Indeed the submissions should have been refused – by law.
@sw101 wrote:this’ll do ya
It’s a classic! (Cough cough) – I’m not that archaic – throw in a few PVC windows and we’re ready to go! (Joe King!) 😀
I just have a preference for detailled design – there’s nothing that says contemporary architecture can’t be innovative for modernity and yet still hark back to the elaborate and intricate design details of the past. I suppose ‘postmodern’ is the phrase – but I’ve not once, ever seen a post-modern building that fuses the modern and the past in the way I would see as innovative, striking and complimentary. But that’s me, I’m just a demanding bugger.
*UPDATES*:confused: A design team is rumoured to have ALREADY been commissioned with regard to Wilton Shopping Centre – as regards what, I’m not sure, it could be something as simply as a new cleaners office – but perhaps Howard Holdings could be up to a little more. I’ll get back to you.
@d_d_dallas wrote:
SW101 … metallic aqueous structure!!! You are living Lexington’s dream!!!
Le Grand Palais, Paris – that’s my dream! 😀
It would seem there’s trouble regarding O’Flynn Construction’s Eglinton Street project – and it’s related to objections. Despite the fact the closing date for submissions was a few weeks ago – CCC have accepted 3 objections to the development while the project is in Further Information. CCC claim they requested Further Info before the closing date – they requested an EIS – and due to this, decided the show a little slack to objectors – although they now claim they are not accepting anymore. During that same period, CCC refused to accept positive observations. After a discussion I had over the phone with a certain director of O’Flynn Construction today, it would seem the developers were led to believe that the objections would not be validated. However, the objections have indeed been made valid. Can anyone else see here a problem?
I’ll be talking with O’Flynn Construction again later on and w/ CCC so I’ll keep you posted on what goes on – this scenario is of concern to me as it should the wider development community as it shows a distinct and unfair bias in the planning process which could be detrimental to future development projects in Cork city, this can’t go on.
😮 Tesco have successfully sold Wilton Shopping Centre for a massive 126m euro to developers Howard Holdings and Joe O’Donovan – only 2 years after Tesco purchased the centre for 83m from the Irish Property Trust Unit. Although Tesco have invested an est’d 11m euros in extending and redeveloping the centre, incl. their own new 52,000sq ft 24-hour grocery store (which was not part of the sale) – the retailler has made in and around 32m profit, more likely 20 to 25m real. DTZ Sherry Fitzgerald handled the deal.
The purchased shows a continuing trend by developers Howard Holdings in their new, ‘more aggressive’ approach to the Cork property market. As previously mentioned – Greg Coughlan, CEO of Howard Holdings, has made the move back to living in Cork after a number of years in the UK. He has continually mentioned that the company now intends to focus its operations predominantly on the Cork and Cape Town markets (through subsidary Eurocape Investments). Since that time, Howard Holdings have initated a number of major deals – incl. the purchase of Wilton S.C. (which may yet see a joint redevelopment & extension favoured by Roches Stores – see prev. post regarding their expansion at the centre), attaining a deal w/ Thomas Crosbie Holdings to house the Irish Examiner’s new offices over 32,000sq ft at HH’s City Quarter development, the acquisition of 16 Lavitts Quay for development of a 120-bedroom budget hotel over a 2-storey retail centre (due to be lodged with CCC this month – designed by Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects), the development of a 5-storey IT/Office development at Albert Quay (due to be lodged mid-2005), the development of a 5-star hotel in Kinsale and a number of substantial city docklands property purchases in line for substantial commercial redevelopment.
Wilton Shopping Centre currently has an est’d rental income of 6.5m euro p.a.
@d_d_dallas wrote:
I think this developement has huge potential if done right – it could bring a cohesion to the entire area and bring back some sense of “village” to the place – linking Douglas with Douglas Court and back to East Village. I await the Evening Echo article decrying “skyscrapers in Douglas”!!!
I would agree – like I said I have yet to see the final design – but I suspect, and hope, a nice transition will be provided linking the two big commercial areas of Douglas (the ‘village’ and the East Douglas area) together with a consistent flow. Personally, I don’t think height should be of concern when done well. But as mentioned in the quote above – undoubtedly the Evening Echo – ‘the voice of the honest, everyday man on Corkonian streets’ – will be right in there, arm around the people, joining right in with their tears and wailing – supporting their fears and nodding in condolence as another nail is driven through the coffin of their wee village – not another ‘high-rise’ they’ll sigh. Have they driven, or tried to drive, through Douglas anytime in the last 10 years? Where’s the village??? The Evening Echo is following the anti high-rise campaign out in Bishopstown religiously – cries from councillors and residents alike are mirrored in their pages against the frightful saturation of high-rise in Bishopstown – especiially against Mark Kelleher’s 5-storey residential development. [Sorry, that was a bit dramatic – been reading too much Shakespeare lately. 🙂 )
Are they serious??? I mean, really, are…are they serious???
The fact that so many developers are willing to take the chance on high-rise buildings is generally positive – but, and not knocking Dublin’s progress related to high-rise – but that is a truly horrible design. With the exception of the U2 Tower and SJR proposal by Dunloe Ewart – Dublin really isn’t fairing well in the design leagues for high-rise, Heuston Gate included. Come on – the city deserves better than that!
Yeah bunch – just saw that there earlier today, there are 3 submissions now lodged against the Eglinton Street project – all from locals – and all made at least 2 weeks after the requested Further Information date. Still looking into it – that ain’t good. If that’s the case – there should be no reasonable refusal for any positive observations to be made. Hmmm. Going to make a quick call – I’ll get back to you with the result.
sw101 – can’t go telling that sort of info. But hopefully if I receive a compliant format – (but will probably a gigantic 2MB or 3MB JPEG) – I’ll post an authorised image. You work in a school house?I’d have to agree with jungle on that one – I believe that if there is any site in Douglas suitable for taller buildings, this one would seem the best. Extensive talks with county planners took place before Douglas Central Properties decided to lodge their application. As for traffic issues – the proposed new road as part of the redeveloped Douglas Village Shopping Centre (or Douglas Central as it’s being now called by its owners and developers the Shipton Group [Clayton Love] – *for bunch = hint #1) – would certainly aid the congestion by redirecting it away from the village centre toward the main roads parallel and to the exit onto the South Ring. It’s a matter of bad management and poor existing infastructure. It will be important to see the Douglas Village SC redevelopment get a move on in that respect.
And here’s hint #2 – Douglas Central Properties are registered in Drumcondra, Dublin at the same address as Blackpool Developments Ltd – the SPV registered by the Shipton Group (Clayton Love). Cough cough.
Although I’ve only seen preliminary (early stage) CG images – I have yet to see the finalised drawings of the project. I expect to receive them within the next few days – but from what I have heard, the design isn’t too shabby at all.
And d_d_dallas I would have thought the redevelopment of Douglas Village Shopping Centre would have been considered a major ’cause for fight’ in recent times too. So far, local councillors are praising the project – I assume that is until the residents start kicking-up. Sigh.
Below is an image of the 60m euro redevelopment scheduled for Douglas Village Shopping Centre – but it offers a good view (in part) of the proposed Douglas Central Properties Ltd development to the east. The image gives a good sense of the vast size of the project.
🙂 Douglas Central Properties Limited have lodged plans with Cork County Council (yup it’s still consider County Council terroritory even if it is in the city – sigh) to develop an 8-storey mixed-use building on the site of the former TSB Building (to be demolished), Cinema World grounds (which may be incorporated into the facility) and the vacant ‘greenfield’ site to the east of Cinema World. The development will compose of a 60,000sq ft 124-bedroom hotel, bars, restaurants, commercial/retail units, meeting centre and 65 parking spaces.The building when complete would be the tallest building in Douglas.
🙂 Also, at Cork Airport, an application for a brand new 150-bedroom hotel adjacent to the new 160m euro, 25,500sq m terminal is due to be lodged next week. Details remain sketchy at this stage – will let you know more when I get the info. Marriott, a tenant of the nearby and highly successful Cork Airport Business Park (currently undergoing a further expansion), is rumoured to be involved with the project in some-way. This brings the number of hotels at Cork Airport to 2 – incl. the Great Southern Hotel.
:rolleyes: O’Flynn Construction can now proceed with the continuation of their Ballincollig Town Centre Shopping Complex development – to be anchored by Dunnes Stores and 2 other, un-named tenants (rumours are flying!) – after an appeal to ABP was lodged by O’Flynn Construction regarding Fire & Safety conditions was withdrawn. The 200,000sq ft, 3 anchor tenant stores and 35 additional retail units shopping centre is scheduled for opening next October (2005).
:rolleyes: Corbett Bros. have applied to CCC seeking allowance for alterations to their 60,000sq ft office development and 38-unit residential development at Copley Street (originally designed by PRC Architects) – currently under construction by Coffey Construction. Among the alterations – an increase of just under 14,000sq ft is sought to cater for the provision of 8 student apartments, an extention to the permitted ground-floor commercial facility, an additional retail unit, a new office unit and an increase in basement size by over 1200sq ft (new additions and alterations are designed by James Leahy & Assoc.)
🙂 And for those wondering what exactly is happening with Monsoon on Patrick’s Street – I can confirm that they have successfully negotiate a lease agreement w/ Joe Donnelly for the former Clinton Cards store (an additional 2,000sq ft of retail space). Monsoon will occupy the expanded store as soon as the short-term lease agreed with Diesel expires early next year. Monsoon Accessorize Ltd have already applied for planning to extend and modify their highly successful Patrick’s Street store and erect new signage. The lease is rumoured to be on par w/ the highest Zone A rents – think Grafton Street!:confused: I’ve been following up the news that Scotts Bar (owned by Paul Montgomery of Reardens & Victoria Mills and Edmund Keneally of Scotts & Victoria Mills) of Caroline and Oliver Plunkett Street was sold to neighbouring Brown Thomas – and though nothing is clear yet (Scotts MD still references Paul and Edmund as proprietors) – there are reports that this is not entirely accurate. It may all be urban legend.
😮 After reviewing Riga Limited (O’Callaghan Properties)’s revised proposals for Jurys Hotel on Lancaster Quay (decision due 16th December 2004) – it still seems to me that the apartment buildings most objectors were getting hot and heavy about are by far the least disruptive or aesthetically displeasing elements of the project. They display more merit than say the hotel element – which to me seems pretty bland by comparison. After assessing the V.I.S. repeatedly, considering aspects from Blarney Street, Sunday’s Well and so on – St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral is still well visible – w/ little to no blockage of the view-path. From Lancaster Quay/Western Road elevation, the hotel block is pretty dominating, but under the new revisions (w/ reduced level blocks to the rear of the development) – a new space has been created offering considerably better aspects of St Fin Barre’s. It’s a tough call on trying to predict a decision – the project offers a much needed redevelopment aspect. The apartment elements seem up to scratch in terms of design and aesthetics. The boardwalk adds well to the development. However the Jury’s Hotel element is only so-so ~ but undoubtedly will find favour w/ planners due to its usage nature. I’ll provide a better forecast come nearer to the decision date.
– on a semi-related note; John Mannix’s development for Washington Street – decision due 20th December 2004 – is set, I am very cautiously told by a CCC employee – to receive permission subject to a number of conditions and in light of the revisions made. 😉
🙁 Frank Sheahan, of F&V Sheahan Auctioneers – and developer of 135 apartments at Hewitt Mills (Blackpool By-Pass) and 15-Student Residencies at Lynch’s Street (near Washington Street West) – has applied to amend his over-scheduled Lynch Street project (Lancaster Hall) in changing ground-floor usage from night-club and late-night bar to commercial usage including medical/financial/IT etc. The underground parking element will be adjusted to cater for this. Designed by Jack Coughlan & Assoc. Constructed by PJ Hegarty & Sons – all I can say is ‘YAWN!’
@mickeydocs wrote:
any chance someone can post a pic of the patrick street lights for those in exile?
is that hideous portacabin still in place on pana?
any construction/demolition date for the coal quai project– Afraid I don’t have any images available of Christmas lights did have one but I think I have since deleted it.
– And I’m even more afraid to tell you that yes, the Portacabin is still there – but thankfully it will be history come the end of this month w/ all Bus Eireann ‘operations’ moving to the refurbished bus station.
– As mentioned in a previous post, no work will get going on the Cornmarket Street/Rockfell Investments department store and apartments project until Janurary at the earliest – excavation work will be performed first.
@Pug wrote:by the way, what was the info on that tiny site over by the bus station? i was away for the last while and someone tells me that 3000 sq ft went for some exorbitant sum of money? presumably the buyer is building something on it to recoup his money, whats the story?
Yeah I’ve been looking into that one since it was mentioned – I haven’t been able to get much information on it, which is strange – its either very heavily shrowded in secrecy or fantasmagorical. I’ll keep my eye open and my ear tuned (freak accident, long story 🙂 ) – and let you know if I find out anything. This area is fast becoming the new ‘office’ district for Cork – along w/ the South Mall and in the future, the southern docklands – an office development, albeit small, would seem best suited and probably the most logical use for this site. With a bit of imagination, it could have excellent landmark potential. In order to get the maximum return for this site, clearly building up is the primary option – and w/ nearby building heights at City Quarter and Lapps Quay, it should fit right in.
*UPDATES*😎 Omniplex (Cork) Limited received the go-ahead for their Mahon Point S.C. Multiplex signage today – paving the way for the completion of the 13-screen cinema fit-out. Scheduled to open 1st Feb 2005.
:p Also River Island received permission for mezzanine alterations and construction to their sizeable Mahon Point store.
Pug – the Eglinton Street Tower is in Further Information. CCC are currently awaiting an EIS from Wilson Architecture. No objections to the development were lodged.
Merely a matter of bad phrasing phatman – that question at the end of my last quote was not actually directed at you – it was more me asking generally I suppose (in disbelief), how can people consider 5-storeys high-rise in the true sense of the word?
*UPDATES*🙂 Quality Healthcare Ltd, the Isle of Man based Medical Care Firm, who recently purchased Shankiel Hospital – have today lodged an application for the premises w/ a development consisting of the retention of a two storey extension of 52 sq. metres providing more efficient hospital outpatient facilities; b) the construction of a single storey 125 sq. metre extension within the courtyard of the Annexe for use as a new operating theatre suite c) the demolition of an existing link building and the erection of a new single storey structure to accommodate a trolley lift shaft linking the main hospital building to the Annexe and d) Minor changes to window opes, a new water tank and ancillary site development works.
:rolleyes: Lance Investments have applied for the increase in apartments for their 2nd Phase Atkins Hall development at the former Our Lady’s Hospital on the Lee Road. The increase is to provide 98 apartments in this phase up from 82. The move comes in light of CCC’s refusal for Lance Investments proposed 232-bedroom, six-storey hotel on the site,
@Bob Dole wrote:
…personally I find Victoria Mills above average, and I approve of the density for the site. I am much more offended by buildings such as that ugly hotel across the from the County Hall, and “pseudo architecture” like that Philisview Properties Building on Washington St. – it’s a project that would barely scrape a 4 in 2nd year, and looks like someone asked for an “architectural” design from someone clearly incapable of it. What I find sad about a building like this is that the client obviously would have paid for actual architecture, and instead was landed with this flabby “ah sure, a bit a’timber, some sticky out bits and some curved roofs’ll make it architecture alright” rubbish…
Bob, almost 90% of all architects I’ve talked to look at Victoria Mills with a smile. Whereas the general public by and large seem to disapprove. Similarly, ask the guy on the street what he thinks of 16 Washington Street West (Philisview Properties development) – generally he approves, whereas the architects I’ve questioned gasp in horror.
I suppose its the same way a hair-dresser can look at a clients hair and note the standard of a previous hairdressers technique – whereas the average customer may actually be quite unaware of such a technique, they’re happy as long as they think their hair looks okay.
I am aware of the architectural dynamics of Victoria Mills – even its innovations in terms of natural light accomodation, structural layout etc etc – but quite frankly, it is bland and uninspired from an aesthetics perspective. Personally, I am a fan of ye olde architecture (and I’m not talking about half-arsed copies – e.g. The Kingsley) – what I mean is, I love when a building displays a sense of flair. Where detail and aspect display the care and time that went into the formation of a building – as a positive and amenable contribution to a city-scape. I understand the economics and time constraints of modern property development quite well – but I still don’t see why such constraints need to offer us bland architecture. While architects may throw their noses up 16 Washington Street West because it does not represent their empirical modern view of ‘good’ design – the fact is, the building stands out, it’s something different – indeed a throwback – but at least it shows that the architect wasn’t afraid to conform to the standard red-brick, vertical lines, novelty balconies and monotonous style. And in fact, get your hands on the ‘blueprints’ – you’ll find yourself the internal and structural design of the building is actually quite clever itself.
I suppose, quite often, it comes down to a matter of opinion. There are those that cite Mahon Point as a quality architectural design. I don’t think so, but then that’s my opinion. Perhaps it is uniquely innovative (cough cough) it’s own right and in a way I may be unaware.
Further to that however, Magee Creedon have indeed produced some high-quality stuff – their Griffith Street and Coppinger Court designs are highly noted in my book.
-> Phatman, about Victoria Lodge, I agree – it ain’t the Lourve but it is relatively well shaded by trees and surrounding developments. But 5-storeys, high-rise???
*UPDATES*😉 O’Flynn Construction 2003 Operational Profits record an increase of just over 10m euros @ 31.4m euros from 19.9m in 2002.
🙂 Though I had heard the rumours (which you may remember I posted some time ago), I finally received word from a member of the Deloitte & Touche organisation, confirming that the company was actively looking into vertically extending their historical premises on Lapps Quay (between Connolly Hall and No.5 Lapps Quay). These premises are listed structures. I have been asked not to post the name of the Cork-based architectural firm behind the design – but was told by D&T, if they decide to proceed with their plans – and after further CCC talks, intend to lodge an application for the development mid to late 2005 (design pending). The project should bring the firm increased, high-standard office space and afford a greater sense of uniformity along these rapidly developing quays.
(Deloitte & Touche offices can be seen to the left of No.5 Lapps Quay)
😎 PJ Walls today took down their final tower crane remaining on-site at Brookfield – construction has been on-going for over a year on UCC’s new 50m euro Medical & Nursing Centre (designed by RKD McCarthy Lynch). Remaining construction and fit-outs will continue on until summer 2005 – with the centre scheduled to be taking its first students for October 2005.
😀 Ridge Developments Ltd are finishing up construction work on Philisview Properties No.16 Washington Street West development. The small 9x 2-bedroom apartment and ground-floor commercial development was designed by CMG Architects and overlooks a pleasant wier facing Sharman Crawford Quay and Bridge. With the scaffolding down now – all I can say is, she’s a looker!
Well here you have it – the latest and most up-to-date tenant confirmations for Mahon Point – more are yet to come!Main Shopping Centre –
1.Debenhams 2.Tesco 3.Next 4.River Island 5. Sam McCauley 6. Lacoste 7. Jack & Jones 8. Zara 9.Monsoon 10.Gasoline 11.Oasis 12.La Senza 13.Morgan 14.Principles 15.Ladybird 16.FCUK 17.Adams 18.Champion Sports 19.The Jean Scene 20.Bershka 21.Pamela Scott 22.Best 23.Sasha 24.A-Wear 25.Suits You 26.Jane Norman 27.Carraig Donn 28.Accersorize 29.Swamp 30.Peter Mark 31.Game 32.Easons 33.First Choice 34.Golden Discs 35.Clarks 36.Ecco 37.Barratts 38.Vodafone 39.Nature’s Way 40. Perfume
– names in the wings for the 2nd Phase of unit releases incl. 1. Pull&Bear (as part of Inditex’s other stores Zara and Bershka – however such an additional store may conflict with the ‘hip’ target market of Bershka) 2.HMV 3. Mango 4.Vero Moda 5. Bennetton/Sisley 6.Schuh 7.3G 8.Gloria Jeans
[more soon]
(*not guaranteed – but confirmed under negotiation)
Food Stores & Food Court Tenants –
1. McDonalds 2. KFC 3.O’Briens Sandwich Bars 4.The Bagel Bar 5.Eddie Rockets 6.Pizza Hut 7.Bennigans 8.Sweets
13-Screen Multiplex –
1. Omniplex (Ward Anderson)
Retail Park –
1. B&Q 2.Hickeys 3.Johnson & Perrott [more soon – see Retail Park Images below]
Hotel & Leisure Centre (for 2006) –
1. Hilton Hotels International
:confused: Tesco have announced their intention to sell Wilton Shopping Centre in Bishopstown. One of the country’s oldest ‘modern style shopping centres’ and one of it’s most profitable will have a 100m euro asking price. DTZ Sherry Fitzgerald will handle the sale. Only 2 years ago, Tesco paid 80m for the centre – buying it from the Irish Fund Property Unit. Since then, the UK multiple has substantially redeveloped and extended the centre – adding 11 new units and a 50,000sq ft 24-hr Tesco grocery store (of which they will retain ownership, along with their new parking areas and planned petrol station). Tesco stands to gain a 15m euro profit from a successful transaction.😉 on a quiet side-note, plans had been formulated in the background by Roches Stores to substantially redevelop their anchor store at Wilton Shopping Centre prior to the 2002 sale. The plan saw the retailler doubling its retail space by adding an additional floor overhead and thus providing a more extensive department store capability with concessions similar to that of its flagship St. Patrick’s Street store and innovative Henry Street store in Dublin. Architects Newenhan Mulligan were commissioned originally for the project – which proposed a new main retail area and foyer, in-house restaurant and cafe, extensive natural light capability, new loading areas, multiple concessions over 2-floors. Although I am not aware of their current position on the project – in light of Tesco’s actions, this may present an attractive opportunity to forward with the development.
:rolleyes: Also I forgot to mention sooner – ABP refused appeal (subsequent of Cork County Council refusal) to grant McCarthy Developments Ltd permission to redevelop the former Cork City FAI Soccer grounds at Curraheen as a 150-apartment, parkland student campus. Refusal was based on isolated nature of the development and inadequate infastructural connections between the development and nearby CIT campus etc etc.
😡 And as for Bishopstown, CAHRA (Cork Anti High-Rise Association – classy!) have vowed to fight the decision to grant developer Mark Kelleher permission for his residential development of 70 apartments and 27 houses near Hawkes/Curraheen Road. Good ole councillor Jerry Buttimer has joined the campaign. The objectors are furious over the high-rise nature (5-storeys at its apex) of the development – citing they are fed up with the high-rise developments “staining” Bishopstown and its surrounds of late. Among the objectors (those involved in CAHRA) are the same groups of individuals that sought legal action against the City Council after the grew wary of a possible grant for another 5-storey development by O’Shea Builders Ltd near Carriglea.-> a number of issues arise here:
First of all, Victoria Cross is the only area that can claim ‘high-rise’ to a degree with the 9-storey Victoria Mills (where were CAHRA then eh? It’s awful!) project.
Second, buildings in Victoria Cross and Victoria Cross Road leading to Bishopstown average between 4 and 5-storeys anyway (considering new developments at M&P O’Sullivan Cash&Carry by the Fleming Group and plans for the J&P Honda dealership inclusive).
Third, have these people even been to Frankfurt??? Do they know what ‘high-rise’ is???
Fourth, with the exception of Victoria Mills (fair enough, I accept V.M. is like one of those mean street-corner hustlers who reads to children at the orphanage on weekends – unsightly to look at but pretty on the inside), the standard of these so-called ‘high-rise’ has been relatively good and has not detracted from the sky-line in any negative way – nor residential amenity and privacy (which many residents now reluctantly acknowledge) – the city planners have, in fairness, been very careful and considerate about this issue.Yeah – I was thinking that myself. You think they could have saved the space and allowed greater amenity or office area available by offering a bus service to go around a collect its suburban employees in the morning and drop them home at night – but hey, that’s modern Ireland. Environmentally conscious as long as I can use my car. 😉
(And yeah, there’s a multi-storey w/ 600 spaces right next to it and a new 550 space underground parking facility currently in planning as part of a new high-rise residential development across the street.)
@Pug wrote:
any thoughts (ideas / speculation) as to who the developer is that is looking to buy Douglas Golf Club and put houses on it? There was rumours of a land swap deal for a course in Carrs Hill as well. any thoughts?
There are 2 names I’m aware of. In the Irish Examiner, there was a report today of a bidder willing to offer up to 110m euro for the course. I can’t say who that bidder is because frankly, I’m not aware of anyone offering that amount. Its a pretty dramatic offer. When I know, I’ll let you know.
@mickeydocs wrote:what’s the building in front of the fire station?
I assume you mean the new City Hall extension???
@Pug wrote:does anyone have an idea of the rental costs of retail space in Mahon Point?
Unit pending, rates were averaging in the mid-hundreds per sq m p.m.
