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ParticipantWell surprise surprise, the Watercourse Road project by Frinailla has gone into Further Information. McCutcheon Mulcahy have indicated that they had been prepared for this based on their previous experiences and hoped to have it submitted as soon as possible. We’ll just have to keep waiting then I suppose – sigh.
:confused: And while we’re talking about Frinailla, the company has indicated that further excavation issues arising with regards their Grand Parade Plaza development will yet again delay their planned construction schedule. Construction of the project is now not expected to commence until late Summer 2005 – with availability being made for early 2007. The second phase of the development is being released soon – the first phase successfully sold out with over 80% of buyers in the owner-occupier category. 2-bedroom apartment and duplex prices started at 369,000euros per unit.
Regular auctioneering partners with Frinailla, Global Properties, recently sold a high-density residential development site to the development company at Springmount, Glanmire (10 mins from the city centre). The development, for 65 residential units, has been lodged with Cork County Council and is currently in Further Information. For an image of the rather interesting design by Kiosk Architects – follow the below link ->http://www.frinailla.com/residential_4.php?id=4
See links below for their developmens at Midelton and An Caislean in Ballincollig ->
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http://www.frinailla.com/residential_2.php?id=3An Caisleán Apartments
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ParticipantYeah I’ve heard Wagamama is suppose to be pretty nice – never myself been to one, but if the rumours are true -it will make a nice little addition to the city’s culinary scene.
The above is a pretty unflattering CG Image of the new Radisson SAS Hotel (122 bedrooms) at Ditchley House, Little Island (part of the new O’Flynn Construction ‘EastGate Park’). The hotel is due to open Summer 2005 and was designed by Dennehy + Dennehy Designs with construction by John Sisk & Sons Ltd. It stands out far better in reality than in the above image.
Although Frinailla Ltd received their planning decision for their latest Watercourse Road development in Blackpool on Saturday (?!) from CCC, I have to admit, I never got a chance to hear the verdict. A gentleman at McCutcheon Mulcahy I was talking to this morning about a sepearte project informed me, to the best of his knowledge the project would probably be greenlit – but I’ll know tomorrow morning for sure. If so, Frinailla will have finally received the go-ahead after a pretty unpleasant record of applications for the extensive site. Their original plan for a 9-storey (over basement) 70m euro residential and commercial/community development was refused by CCC and ABP back in 2003, early 2004. Their application to conduct subsurface investigations on the site (given the success of their Grand Parade development site) was refused by CCC and now in appeal. So hopefully this, their latest application for a residential and commercial development of 153 residential units, retail, medical, creche and community related units, underground car-parking, a library and so on will have made the cut. It’s a marked improvement on their previous attempts and vitally needed in the area, among Cork’s most unpleasantly derelict. John Paul Construction will be contractors.lexington
ParticipantAnyone who has been walking around the North Main Street/Paradise Place/Liberty Street area will have notice Ridge Developments working away on reconstructing the facade of what was once the rear of the former Queen’s Old Castle (now Virgin Megastore and Argos). The property is still owned by City Properties Ltd – who have decided to utilise the available space to the rear and redevelop it as a new restaurant house, in addition to extending the existing ‘Classic Bar’ premises and constructing a new nightclub overhead. The new restaurant house (at the junction of North Main Street, Liberty Street and South Main Street) will be anchored by Captain Americas (of Grafton Street fame) and international noodle-house Wagamama (as previously reported way back on this thread). The bar and nightclub extensions will commence later this year – in the meantime, here’s what the restaurant house will look like come completion. The restaurants, who are currently recruiting, are expected to be open late-Feb/early March. Dan Mulvihill acted as consulting engineer on the project.
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ParticipantYeah, I had been thinking, for an ‘industrial’ style building, it has a bit of distinction to it which is a pleasant change for the usual conformist drab. Coming east-to-west into the city at night it looks pretty eye-catching in what is otherwise a sea of grey and steel boxes. Architects are Kavanagh Tuite. Contractors = Joseph Lane & Son Ltd.
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Participant🙂 Howard Holdings’ City Quarter development on Lapps Quay saw today the first installation of its boardwalk facility. It will provide what is essentially the city centre’s first REAL boardwalk facility – and will form part of what ultimately is CCC’s plan to develop a city-wide riverside amenity walk (inclusive of specialised waterside pathways and extensive timber boardwalks).
😮 And although, as above, I’ve stated my personal feelings regarding Mahon Point’s design – I have to say that it is taking a form mildly more pleasant in reality than what appears in many CGI Images and drawings. The addition of a number of ‘beacons’ across the roof of the main shopping centre building illuminate at night like bright violet nodes at night. The completed cladding and addition of a MP spire on the western elevation have helped improve what is generally an unimaginative structure. Design by Dirk Luow @ Project Architects, Dublin.
:rolleyes: I was interested to read an article in the Irish Examiner about developers O’Brien & O’Flynn Ltd regarding the 15-storey tower proposal for Tivoli along the Lower Glanmire Road. The article mentioned that the developers were still awaiting an appeal decision. Just to update them, the apartment tower (designed by Dennehy & Dennehy) was actually refused grant on appeal – despite the recommedations of the Inspector (Bernard Dee). It was refused back in August 2004 – and was part of an overall 205 units development near the Silversprings Hotel. The building was actually 13-storeys over a 2-storey basement car-park. O’Brien & O’Flynn Ltd are apparently weighing up whether or not to give the project another shot or continue with the residual grant of the project (which includes all other elements other than the tower). After inspecting the VIS – the project would actually have contributed nicely to what is otherwise a dull skyline – however, the issues regarding the site’s elevated visual prominence are entirely accepted. I do believe however, this could easily have been rectified by a minor reduction in height – perhaps 1 or 2 storeys?lexington
Participant@anto wrote:
It’s called democracy I suppose. Maybe it will detract from the view of St. Fin Barre’s. Let the experts decide! (ABP).
Anyway you seem very gung ho about all the development in Cork, even Mahon Point which I doubt has much in the way of architectural merit. My point is not all development is necessarily a good ting in itself. If the scheme is wrong maybe it’s better it gets knocked back, the next one that comes along may be better.anto, I understand the principles of democracy – and you’re right, not all development is positive, because I mention it (by way of informing people) doesn’t necessarily mean I endorse it. I have raised my concerns with projects like that as Grangefield Developments Arbutus Lodge project (in which I assisted some residents in the area – with perfectly valid reasons for objection – with their appeal), Cumnor Construction’s original plan for Sunday’s Well (which I’m glad to say has been revised and improved satisfactorily) and Howard Holdings project at 16 Lavitts Quay which is a rather horrible design benefitting nothing positive to the city’s aesthetics whatsoever (7-storey hotel designed by RORSA) – I have also raised my concerns regarding plans for another 7-storey city hotel at Crosses Green and Victoria Mills development. Just because its investment, doesn’t necessarily mean its good investment. I know this.
In reference to Mahon Point, if you have ever followed my posts regarding the development over the months, you see that I have criticised the project on many occassions for its bland and boxy form – its shopping centre element provides nothing more than dismal architectural scribbles. Due to the scale of the development, and its effects to surrounding areas, it is hard to avoid comment every-so-often – but this does not advocate support for its design. However, a project such as this must also be weighed up for its positive effects (the creation of 3,000 jobs, an increased diversity of services to the community, the improvements associated with local infastructure – see N25 Overhead bridge extensions etc).
The Jurys Development has been granted by the local authority as it views it as making a valuable contribution to the regeneration of the city centre. Even An Taisce commented on its architectural merit – something you don’t see too often. Reductions in height, apartment numbers, repositioning of buildings etc etc all were made by the developer and as outlined by planning conditions. However, the SWRG are objecting from 2 miles away – and a member of that group is also using a city centre business front she represents to contribute a 2nd appeal (but from the same person). Other appeals are based on a disgruntled response to the developer based on ‘other’ issues – which one individual very blatantly boasted to me in a private conversation before he realised my own position on the development. True colours were shown. However, one appeal is quite genuine and I have no issue with it being raised – it is their perfect entitlement to do so if they remain unhappy with a planning decision. My angst regarding this scenario is centred in the fact that I believe one should object to a development based on valid grounds – which include objection based on issues directly related to a development as a stand-alone project and not due to some past related issue (its simply destructive behaviour). I am also further appalled at the use of the aforementioned ‘childrens allowance’ scenario which is being used to financed the appeals (see previous posts).
Gung-ho? Perhaps regarding some developments – but I’d rather the expression, enthusiastic. I don’t readily and blindly support every project proposed, I don’t see many of these projects contributing positively economically, logistically or aesthetically to the city – and in such cases, I seek adjustment or other appropriate action. So yes, let democracy take its course – I agree, but don’t block the benefit of others based on selfish cause. Thats not democratic, thats plain old greed.
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ParticipantI genuinely hope OCP trump this one.
Bridget Healy has appealed on behalf of the Sunday’s Well Group (the ‘children’s allowance’ crowd), however, a member of that group (wink wink) also happens to be chair of the Lancaster Quay Business Association, for which she plans to lodge another appeal. This is a seperate private appeal. The Dept. of Archaelogy at UCC who are appealling, then also the Dean of St. Fin Barre’s is opposed because he believes the development will detract from the Lancaster Quay -> St. Fin Barre’s vista. I’ve no problem with genuine appeal – if a resident across the street is being messed by a developer, they have every right to appeal, but I dunno about the validity of some of these appeal grounds…
OCP will be contesting.
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ParticipantGlobal Properties are handling enquiries on the Section 50 development planned for the recently sold site at Victoria Cross/Wilton Road to an anonymour buyer by Irish & European (for an est’d 1.2m euros on an area of 8,000sq ft). Though rumours persist about the buyers identity, none have been verified – Frinailla Developments was mentioned (or was that the site across the road???), so was Tom McCarthy and Tim McNamara of Aras Developments – but nothing solid. I have an image of the development, but I’m afraid its not complient with my PC for some reason. Construction is due to commence early Feb(?) with German firm Heberger Construction.
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Participant343 beds, 18,200 admissions, 29,000 outpatients p.a.
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Participant😮 Another one – before Christmas we saw a flurry of hotel development applications for Cork city, now it seems, its private hospitals.
Fleming Construction intend to part finance the development of a new 130m euro 100-bed private hospital as part of its 2214-unit residential development north of Blarney. The hospital will be based on the Galway and Blackrock Clinics (developed by the Sheehan Bros. among others). It is expected to have 5 state-of-the-art operating theatres, a full physiotherapy suite, consultant suites, outpatients facilities, day-surgery etc.
– this comes after the recent revelation of plans for 3 other private hospitals for Cork, among them solicitor James G. O’Mahony intends to lodge an application with Cork County Council for a 500m euro medical campus and residential development on the city fringe at the Bandon Road Roundabout, along the N25. That development is expected to be overseen by the Beacon Court Group (who currently have a facility in operation at Sandyford, Dublin). Another plan is earmarked for a superb 7.5 acre city centre site in conjunction with an existing Cork health institution.
If all 4 applications make the cut – that could mean that an extra 400 private beds will be made available to the city and county.
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Participant@sw101 wrote:
i’m aware, i designed it in the early stages. haven’t seen anything on it since september though. anything you can release yet or will i have to demand it from the big man in HPA?
I have drawings of the all 4 elevations – but I’m afraid I can’t post them yet (also, not even my sometimes reliable scanner could fit the drawings adequately). If you give PH a shout he may make them available for viewing, but then again, you could always stop by the Model Farm Road – they have a viewing counter I’m sure.
*UPDATES*:rolleyes: FINALLY, work has got a move on at Tom McCarthy’s (Tumblegate Ltd) Jacob’s Mill redevelopment along Father Matthew Quay – O’Flynn of Banteer have commenced gutting the insides of the former Mill after 50 years of neglect. Work by Joseph Lane & Son Ltd who HAD been designated as original contractor, was apparently left incomplete – so, yet again internal structural work must first begin before scaffolding scales its weary walls.
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ParticipantBy the way sw101 – I was chatting to a director w/ Clayton Love when viewing the designs for the Douglas Central Properties Ltd 8-storey hotel to the south of Cinema World and North of East Douglas Village – and he confirmed it also that the Hyde Partnership were indeed the main design team behind the scheme. RORSA had only be consulted at the initial design stages – the final design is all Hyde.
Its a very narrow building east-to-west, stepped from 6 to 8 storeys along this aspect also. The north and south elevations are pleasant, nothing noteworthy – white walls, with extensive utilisation of glass, the ‘trendy’ timber cladding and zinc cladding. Basement parking is accessed from the west from the former TSB premises. Its a nice design but nothing to write home about. Those worried about a Watergold Building Pt. II – rest assured, it doesn’t go there even a little. It does look a little over-dominating when viewed from an East Douglas Village perspective, but in its entire setting perspective, it actually looks fine. So far, I am only aware of 1 objection. It’s no harm for Douglas to get something noteworthy like this building – however in my own opinion, its only real distinction is its height. I suppose the trick was in the thinking, ‘don’t design anything too exciting, keep it nice and ordinary and contemporary so people won’t get too huffed up about it’. Yet my only concern relates to traffic management in the area – officially designated in Ireland’s Top 10 Traffic Blackspots.
*UPDATES*:rolleyes: CIE Chairman John Lynch will be in Cork next Monday to meet City Manager Joe Gavin, planners and other councillors regarding the exhaustingly overdue 500m euro redevelopment of Horgan’s Quay. Fine Gael Councillor and former Lord Mayor Colm Burke has proposed that the City Council enact a Compulsory Purchase Order (CPO) on the site as a means of finally getting the project moving after 7 years of arsing around by CIE. The plan would see CIE lease back all the required rail activities will the remaining 10 acres would be allocated to the successful developer/developers (in a joint co-ordinated strategy) to redevelop the quay. Joe Gavin, who often refers to the failure to redeveloped the quay as ‘his greatest regret’ as City Manager, has vowed to have a firm commitment and actual movement on the project by Summer 2005 from CIE or otherwise alternative action will be taken – a planning application deadline has been earmarked for no later than Feb 2006. The Department of Finance, Transport and Environment have been approached for consultative purposes by CCC. John Lynch was scheduled also to be in the city next Monday to launch the 25m euro redevelopment of Kent Station.
😡 As of today, the Sunday’s Well Residents Group have officially lodged their appeal with ABP against the decision taken to grant permission for the redevelopment of Jurys Hotel on the Western Road by O’Callaghan Properties. (Temperature rising, vision blurring, rage taking over…)lexington
ParticipantJust on a note of interest – a few posts up is an image of what Cork County Hall’s redevelopment will look like when complete (as designed by Shay Cleary) but, during the competition, Cork County Council also considered a number of other proposals, among them – one by de Blacam & Meagher Architects…it’s interesting, personally I think the winning design was perhaps the best, however I really like the upward extension and parallel external elevators of the north-and-south elevations of the deBM design. It’s up for debate, but just interesting to note and compare.
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ParticipantI have a big oul soft spot for Douglas Wallace, these buildings might not be their best work but it’s still pretty tasty when weighed up against the likes of Anthony Reddy’s Barrow Street atrocity and I ain’t a big fan of it’s neighbours either – in fact any high-rise proposed by Treasury Holdings.
My only ‘but’ about the project however is, 27-storeys…in Drogheda??? I suppose there is the argument that it doesn’t really matter about the scale as long as it fits – but still, I dunno, the jury’s out on this one for a while.That all said Gerry Barrett continues to be one of the most innovative developers in the country. And the project still looks better than its colleagues a little further south.
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Participant😎 Here is a drawing prepared by architects Frank O’Mahony and Glen Barry of Wilson Architecture for O’Flynn Construction’s Eglinton Street Tower development. Decision due 25th Feb 2005. The 80m euro + development will consist of 217 residential units (in predominantly 8-storey blocks), 40 of which will be located within a landmark 17-storey tower in the south-west corner – averaging a generous 1,900sq ft, 7 own door office suites and 5 large retail units, 550 underground car-parking spaces over 2 levels, a new civic amenity area, new pedestrian routeway and road connecting Eglinton Street with Albert Road – which will also aid the new ‘Webworks’ to be developed by Howard Holdings at Albert House, along Albert Quay.
This drawing provides a perspective from the Eglinton Street/western elevation – provided by Wilson Architectire, O’Flynn Construction through Cork 2005 and the RIAI.
*see prev. posts for additional images*
😉 And with less the 2 weeks to go before its grand opening, work at Mahon Point is going full-steam with some jobs on-going 24hrs a day…speaking of which, Tesco’s new grocery store at the massive shopping centre will be it’s 2nd permanent 24hr store in Cork following the unprecedented success of its flagship store in Cork at Wilton SC.
– and in related news…
:confused: …the German investment funds group, Deka Immobilien (which is currently in a spot of trouble regarding its own finances) which saw its first Irish project take shape in the form of Mahon Point along with O’Callaghan Properties is rumoured (and I stress RUMOUR) to be discussing the purchase of 10,000sq ft of office space at the 21 Lavitts Quay office development in Cork city centre – also being developed by OCP (which will also house the new O’Callaghan Properties HQ on the upper floors). I haven’t heard anything of it other than the rumour so I can substantiate it yet – but it would make sense considering Deka’s intentions on expanding into the Irish market and its relationship with OCP. The office will be designated as Deka’s chief Irish operations office.
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ParticipantCork County Hall is a symbol of Cork and the Council more specifically. It encompasses vast land holdings and is established along a major suburban corridor in the form of Carrigrohane Straight – it wouldn’t have made economic sense to relocate to a new location along the Midelton Corridor. Plus, at the time of planning, the Midelton Railway hadn’t been greenlit and the Council couldn’t wait around for a grant to be finally funded while their offices were wasting away. Cork County Hall is well served by public transport and easily accessible on most major routes (South Ring N25, Carrigrohane Straight, Ballincollig By-Pass, Western Road etc) – the Council should promote increase public transport along among its employees and ‘visitors’ – a dedicated green-route has been recently established nearby.
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ParticipantCoppinger Court is a new residential development constructed with the Shandon Renewal Area of Cork city, along the northern quays (Popes Quay).
The developers Michael Finn and David McSweeney hired Cork-based architects Magee Creedon to design the award winning development (2004 RIAI Best Sustainable Building) which was jointly constructed by Jim Davis & Co. Building Contractors and Murnane & O’Shea Ltd.
The development consists of 43-apartments, a licensed premises, restaurant, retail showroom and parking facilities, and is ‘hidden’ behind a ‘wall’ of existing, refurbished quayside buildings on a .74 acre site.
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ParticipantI look forward to being able to provide them – I suppose what irritates me most about this appeal is the arrogance associated with it and the insult it generates to those who so genuinely depend on their Children’s Allowance to support their children. Just because the country is doing so exceptionally nowadays, doesn’t mean we can forget that not every member of our society has so richly benefited from it. This appeal is a disgusting act routed in a angered response to a planning decision made in the interests of our city.
– also, in reference to the point made regarding Cork County Council’s multi-storey facility, I have to say I agree, the 2 councils (Cork City and Cork County) have both for so long advocated and promoted the increased use of public transport, and invested heavily in them (Cork Suburban Rail System – allocated 90m for its prospective Midelton Line, the Cork City Green Routes, Park & Ride Facilities at Black Ash, Banduff and proposed Blarney Railway Station) and yet both their own projects at Cork County Hall and the new Cork City Hall 32m euro extension all facilitate high-volume in house parking (700 and 435 respectively) effectively encouraging employees to drive to work. Cork County Hall will facilitate its 600 employees (in and around 450 car per day) and Cork City Hall will facilitate its 400 employees (perhaps 200 cars per day) into the city. Hypocrisy???
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ParticipantJust thought I’d post a new image of the redevelopment of Cork County Hall – main contractors Ascon Ltd, Design by Shay Cleary. The 60m euro redevelopment is due to be complete on schedule and within budget this November 2005. The project provides a new 700-space multistorey car-park. A 6-storey extension to the main County Hall tower providing an extra 40,000sq ft of office space (bringing it to a total of 75,000sq ft), new council chambers, heightened roof-top – to incl. a new hospitality suite with panoramic 360 degree views, provision of a naturally ventilated heating and cooling system through the installation of a glass-panel exoskeleton around the exterior oof the tower. Plus all landscaping, access road and refurbishment ancillary efforts.
Those Eglinton Street drawings will be posted soon.
*UPDATES*😮 As prev. reported, Beacon Court Group (i.e. Paddy Shovlin, Michael Cullen and Mark Redmond) will be lodging their application for a 500m euro medical campus and residential development earmarked for a 60-acre site near Bandon Road Roundabout within the next week to 2 weeks w/ Cork County Council.
The development will consist of a new private hospital, hospice, physio-centre, up to 300 houses (over 16 acres), amenity areas, park & ride facility, health centre and more, yet to be clarified.
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Participant*UPDATES*
😎 Jurys Hotel on the Western Road has given itself a closing date of Feb 28th 2005. Up to 110 jobs at the hotel will be lost or relocated as a result – however, with the opening of the Clarion on Lapps Quay, Radisson (Park Manor) in Little Island, Kingsley Hotel extension and up to 11 other hotel projects in and around Cork city under development – many of these staff have found or will find similar employment relatively easily. Early signs for this have been indicated by recruitment agencies Le Creme and Adecco.
– 😡 In related news, an appeal with ABP has been lodged by the residents of Sundays Well against O’Callaghan Properties redevelopment of the Jurys Hotel site which was, after substantial revision, granted planning by CCC. The residents argue that the development will ruin their vista of St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral and destroy their children’s heritage – in protest, the residents have put their children’s allowances toward the finance of the appeal. This despite the numerous revisions enacted by O’Callaghan Propoerties to rectify the original objection concerns. To be honest with you, if the residents are able to fling their children’s allowances around like that so casually – their allowance should perhaps be reviewed. That money is provided for concerned support of children in their upbringing – uses such as clothing, food, schoolbooks etc etc should in my own view receive priority, or if not needed now, saved for a later stage when such requirements become more fiscally stressful. This appeal has a lot more to do w/ egos and ‘rigid mindsets than children’s heritage. What about their future? Appeals such as this, should be financed personally or collectively, not using a children’s allowance – and worse, blatantly promoting the fact. I will actively seek appropiate V.I.S. images from a Sunday’s Well persepctive to show how the development and development revisions have a minimal effect on any disruption to the St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral vista. I treasure this view too, as I see it every morning when I travel into the city, it’s important to me also and I am wholly satisfied with the development skyline.
Work was due to commence on the project in March, this may be delayed further now until late-June(?). It’s a foolish move by the Sunday’s Well residents who now expose themselves to the possibility of the whole original project layout being greenlit – and not the revisions that were granted them by the developers to ease their concerns (case in pt. Kenny Group’s original 2000 South Main Street application). If so, nearby St. Al’s Girl School could stand to lose the benefits it gained in the revisions. It’s a selfish tactic (although I believe OCP will keep the revisions made to address the school’s concerns in any event – it remains the principle rather than the point).- AuthorPosts