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  • in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733189
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    ๐Ÿ™‚ Blackpool Bowling & Leisure Ltd’s 70,000sq ft, 4-storey leisure development at Fitz’s Boreen in Blackpool is taking shape at its site adjacent to the old Mallow Road. The development will include 14 ten-pin bowling lanes, restaurant, 20m swimming pool, children’s swim area, a leisure pool, well-being centre, a large fitness and gym centre, some retail and ancillary offices. It’s a real positive investment for the area and will provide this area of the city with top-of-the-range amenities that isn’t retail or cinemas or the like – its a nice alternative. Deavey Design of Dublin are the architects for the project with Fleming Construction as main contractors.

    in reply to: Does any one know who is behind Peachdeen Ltd #750963
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    @Paul Clerkin wrote:

    i dont believe in one catch-all cork thread like you’re advocating so i removed your suggestion as I prefer multiple threads on diverse issues rather than one catch all…

    Think that was misread – far from advocating one catch-all thread, I was merely trying to assist. I simply felt the question being asked as it relates to a development company issue may be better answered in a thread that delves regularly regarding such matters – as many of the members and users (with development backgrounds in Cork) immediately seek out the LADSOCL! thread through direct link (I know this because in many cases I forward them) – so in helping answer such a question I thought it may be helpful in recommending an alternate strategy. I believe in diversification of threads too – hence why I opened one or two myself because I believed they warranted individual thread-status. My explanation, granted, may not have been ideally clear on that.



    sw101 – see http://www.prcarchitects.ie part of the PRC Fewster Group, an international design practice. In Cork, they are responsible for Parchment Square Student Village (near C.I.T.) by the Kenny Group, Corbett Bros. new office development on Copley Street, the original design on Paul Kenny’s mixed-use 50 Grand Parade project and a few other Corbett Bros. projects. PRC have practices in Cork, Dublin, London, Surbiton and Poland.

    in reply to: Does any one know who is behind Peachdeen Ltd #750960
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    Paul, why are posts edited by others? Just curious, was there some content inappropriate contained
    within it???

    in reply to: Does any one know who is behind Peachdeen Ltd #750958
    lexington
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    Hi shrink2cork,

    As for Peachdeen Ltd, they’re registered at Casement Square in Cobh (above Zita’s Hair Studio). If you want names – give me til next week sometime.

    You a Cloyne man yourself?

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733188
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    ๐Ÿ˜ก And I forgot to mention, not only has Riga Ltd (O’Callaghan Properites) Jurys Redevelopment been taken to ABP – but also John Mannix’s Washington Street redevelopment project (appellant = Arthur Leahy w/ NLCC Solictors on North Main Street) – even after all those revisions??? Some people!!! The Kilbree Investment Company has seen its apartment development for the Lower Glanmire Road taken to ABP also. What is with this city??? Can no project just go through the Local Authority? Perhaps there should simply be ABP – it would certainly save a lot more time and money. I appreciate the appeal system for objectors – but what does the current trend say about people’s respect for Local Authority decisions? Not much. Then again, if certain projects hadn’t been able to appeal (like Mahon Point for example) the city would have suffered from such L.A. produced problems. Also. Eglinton Street may still depend on ABP yet!

    I sincerely hope Jurys, Mannix’s project and Kilbree work out positively – they’re good projects and Cork could do with more of such.

    :rolleyes: The Jurys Redevelopment has been given ‘Special Priority’ status with ABP and is scheduled for a due date of May 17th 2005 – the appeal will be rushed through a.s.a.p. but due to the scale of the site, the due date could go either way.

    :rolleyes: John Mannix’s development has a due date of May 25th 2004 – I would also hope this date comes sooner rather than later and like Jurys, will hopefully get the greenlight.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733187
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    ๐Ÿ˜€ Cumnor Construction Ltd have been granted permission for their apartment and commercial development near Sunday’s Well 5-days in advance of the due date.

    The development originally sought to construct a 7-storey 22 unit apartment development on the old quarry site near North Mall, bounded by Winter’s Hill and Sunday’s Well Road. I wasn’t too favourable on the original – but revised plans reduced the development by 2-apartments in the original new build and relocated them by refurbishing and redeveloping the existing buildings on-site fronting Sunday’s Well Road, thus allowing for a reduction in height to 6-storeys. In addition, after initial property rights confusion, Cumnor will also redevelop an area east of the new-build development for a public recreation and amenity area – providing a pleasant nicely added ‘green’ feature. The project was designed by Jack Coughlan and Associates – one of the firm’s better recent projects w/ extensive timber-decking, communal facilities and water features to boot! Development and construction will be by Cumnor Construction subject to appeal.



    @Pug wrote:

    Lex, this is why I was asking were Murnanes doing a business park up by the airport, I believe they have applied for an Airport Logistic Business Park with office, warehousing, commercial units at Farmers Cross

    I think I misread your original question – for you see, Murnane & O’Shea Ltd are planning a ‘Cork Airport Business Park’ style facility for Bantry, perhaps this is where I got lost. But yes, they have have also sought Outline Planning Permission for Development of an Airport Logistic Business Park comprising of office, warehousing, commercial units and logistical support units associated with the operation and future expansion of airport and conversion of dwellinghouse to office use and 2 no. new vehicular entrances. Project Architects new Cork office is handling the design and PM.

    @Pug wrote:

    is there pictures available of the design? I know the pictures of the previous office that was to be on Lavitts Quay were on this website but is it radically changed from that?

    I do have images from the small VIS by RORSA, also submitted in their planning application, but I need a special file translator to cater to for the file format – I won’t have one until late next week I’m afraid. Its on order. But when I do and if I do, I’ll of course try to post the image online. The design differs indeed from the TCH office building. It rises 7-storeys (which is quite acceptable given the pattern of development along Lavitts Quay), No.16 is being retained and incoporated into the hotel (as a cafe). Similarly to the original TCH proposal, Lavitts Quay frontage is found in a 3-storey build at No.17 and 18 Lavitts Quay (w/ entrance to the basement car-park from here also). R. Arthur’s building at No.15 is unfortunately still not incorporated. The main building is set back and is a sort of L-Shaped zig-zag reflect the nature of the site. The northern-most Lavitts Quay elevation of the main building has a total of 20 square and featureless windows, a white wall continues to a protruding square teak-box home to 12 of the windows, it cuts off at the 6th floor where a continued boxy white wall squares off to the roof. The retracted northern elevation of the main building is nothing more than a bland, featureless 7-storey white wall that dominates the quayside approaching east-to-west along the northern quays – it is quite frankly horrid and seems a white continuation of the northern Opear House wall before its revamp. Yes there are 8 box windows at this elevation, which remind one of the horrid boxy windoes protruding from the north-eastern corner of Northgate House at the North Gate Bridge, but the expanse and extent of the bland wall nature along this elevation is powerfully dominating and highly distasteful. Geoff Butler of Reddy O’Riordan Staehli is chief architect on the project. It is hoped that the project will not be refused because of its design, but will instead be offered the condition to revised its design aspects to increase the quality of its aesthetics – something cater for by CCC with John Mannix’s Washington Street project and Rockfell’s Cornmarket Street project (although they initiated much of this on their own).



    @Leesider wrote:

    was just wondering about the Kino, has that actually received that many objections?? Personally I thought it would clean up that area alot!

    No objections were raised against the Kino Redevelopment – it’s a wonderful development and will contribute very positively to the Washington Street street-scape. The project’s planning application decision was pushed back dramatically until April 2005 – reasons unknown. It is sincerely hoped that it gets the all-clear. Dennehy + Dennehy are the design team. Visit http://www.ddesign.ie/projects.htm -> go to ‘Community’ section, the Kino design is the 3rd icon, click on it and wait for it too load.



    Frinailla’s Ladyswell project along the Watercourse Road is currently in Further Information at the moment. Its a highly positive and substantial development – but of course, as always, Kathleen Lynch (Labour) et al are throwing objections up like a bat on laxatives. Purely political of course.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733182
    lexington
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    I agree that it is unfortunate to see the loss of small local services – but this is not the fault of the type of development in the Victoria Cross/Dennehys Cross area – it is due to market forces, sustainability and people’s progression in life. Certainly objecting to these developments will not restore the loss of such amenity, if anything, such development will help restore through increased prospect of sustainability these provisions. Already, the granted proposal for Grianbru by Richard Walsh and Dick Kiely will provide a new retail and restaurant service for the area. Furthermore, the plans by Frinailla for their recently purchased Dennehys Cross Garage premises will I am told will aim to restore the lost facilities in some form as part of their large commercial and residential development. A new community store (with butcher!) and possible new post office facility will be included in plans – it will depend. CAHRA and the objecting residents intend to bring the new apartment development by Walsh & Kiely to ABP.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733180
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    ๐Ÿ™‚ A decision to grant Richard Walsh & Dick Kiely’s proposal for Dennehy’s Cross has been made 2 days ahead of the original due date. The project, which was subject to the unfair ‘outbursts’ of CAHRA and residents, will see a) the demolition of the dwelling house Grianbru and the former post office; b) the modification of existing ground levels, c) the construction of a mixed use residential and commercial development ranging in height from two to four storeys to include: 1) 22 no. residential units comprising 6 no. 1 bedroomed apartments, 11 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 2 no. 3 bedroomed apartments and 3 no. 2 bedroomed detached town houses; 2) 1 no. 175m2 cafe/restaurant and 1 no. 99m2 retail unit; 3) a 33 no. space basement car park with access from Victoria Cross Road and 4) all associated site development works. It is a positive move for the area – unfortunately (sigh) knowing the objectors to this project, ABP will be hearing from them in the near future. However, on this note, I must in this instance acknowledge the very practical and diplomatic approach adopted by the planner in charge. His report was well put together and realistic.



    ๐Ÿ™‚ McCarthy Developments Ltd have applied to CCC to increase the height on 2 of its apartment blocks under construction at Jacob Island (Mahon Point). The extension will bring the 2 blocks to an increased height of 6-storeys (from 4) and in line with the neighbouring structures. Increased parking will be also accommodated. McCarthy Developments have based this on what they claim as strong interest and market demand for their project.



    ๐Ÿ™‚ OSB Group, whose 1st Phase of Camden Court (along Carrolls Quay/Camden Quay and Knapps Square) has sold strongly, will commence works on the 2nd Phase of the development in the coming weeks. Corks Art Theatre on Knapps Square have begun vacating their premises and Pa Johnsons Pub is scheduled to close within the next 2 weeks. John F. Supple are main contractors and James Leahy & Associates are the design team for the interesting project which will provide among the most extensive and detailled roof-gardens in Ireland for its residents. The 2nd phase of the project will see 55 apartments constructed over 6-storeys, with a new Cork Arts Theatre development and new Pa Johnsons premises incoporated also. The project is scheduled for completion by July 2006.


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    – Camden Court and neighbouring Camden Wharf (developed by Hornibrook Builders, constructed by PJ Hegarty & Sons Ltd and designed by J.E. Keating & Associates) are making quite a stir within their area. The deisgn quality and construction standards have been superior. They developments, along with Hanranka Ltd’s Knapps Square development, have added immensely to an area which so badly needed development. Even from Emmet Place, the developments combined look pretty impressive. They provide positive examples of how good projects can contribute superbly to Cork’s cityscape.



    ๐Ÿ™ On a slightly sour note, by and far the single worst project to be present to Cork in many a year is in the realms of planning – Charles & Helen McCarthy’s plan for a 64-bedroom, 7-storey hotel at Crosses Green, designed by Derek Tynan & Associates. I received a copy of the VIS today – though I had seen the drawings, the VIS only added to my worst fears. I don’t regard the height as an issue – frankly, if the design is good, such height doesn’t really adversely affect an area, but the pure arrogance of the project design in this instance is gut-wrenching. The hotel is planned on the site of the existing Mill Business Centre – a tall, rectangular brick will arise therefrom cladding in Black Limestone. The design closely resembles Victoria Mills, just black. Balconies have been removed from earlier design outlines – adding to the blandness. It really does look like a huge black wall with no features other than a few windows square windows (such as Victoria Mills). I have never seen a building look so out of place in an area, or even a city like Cork. Truly a horrible, horrible project.



    ๐Ÿ˜ก Grind your teeth now to save time later!!! Minister for Transport Martin Cullen has formally announced in the Dail, in response to a local Cork TDs questions, that Cork Airport’s new 140m terminal will NOT incorporate any new air-bridges. I don’t need to say anymore. But while your blood boils – consider this also -> The Governments Track Record on Cork so far….

    a.) cut-back, novelty Bus Station redevelopment
    b.) No Cork School of Music still
    c.) Refusal to move on promises made regarding Horgan’s Quay redevelopment
    d.) Exclusion of airbridges from new Cork Airport Terminal

    – all the above constitute broken promises!!! Frankly, I’m fed up of it.



    But not to end all gloom and doom, I amazingly have found common ground with An Taisce, regarding the Ellesmere Properties (Howard Holdings) Lavitts Quay hotel proposal – their submission has mirrored my sentiment closely (with the exception of the height issue) – neither of us object to the project, in fact, we encourage it – but we both have raised concerns about the design requesting only minor alterations to the facade in the interests of visual amenity and continuity. I know! I felt awkward too. But sure, enjoy it while it lasts I say! We’re still divided on practically every other development issue in Cork! ๐Ÿ˜€

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733174
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    Mark Kelleher’s controversial development for Westend (Bishopstown/Curraheen) of 97 residential units (mostly apartments in a 5-storey block) which has received 156 objections (mostly from CAHRA members) has seen its decision due date extended by 6 months!!! A decision is now not expected until August. The project is designed by Frank Ennis & Associates.

    – 6 months though, isn’t that a bit, o.t.t.??? Same scenario has hit Mick Hannigan’s Kino redevelopment and Aldi Developments retail and 46-residential duplex development on Tory Top Road.

    in reply to: Cork, Mahon point, etc, etc. #750801
    lexington
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    If you think Victoria Mills is bad, don’t hold you breath for the proposed 7-storey hotel at Crosses Green also designed by Derek Tynan and Associates. Charles & Helen McCarthy are the developers behind it – the application is in planning. It truly is a monstrosity of architecture. Imagine Victoria Mills, with one or two cheap balconies dropped right into the city centre. DT – what goes through his head???!!! Of course the CCC love him.

    Some Victoria Mills images – that actually try to make it look good (below):

    See -> http://www.dtarch.com/04current.html for images of Phase 2 at Victoria Mills.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733173
    lexington
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    ๐Ÿ˜ก A newspaper article appearing in today’s Irish Examiner (8th Feb 2005) highlighted the ‘turmoil’ being faced by the residents of Dennehy’s Cross and the Model Farm Road – many among them members of CAHRA. The residents are up in arms about the development proposed by Richard Walsh & Dick Kiely (of Walsh Consulting) of 22 no. residential units comprising 6 no. 1 bedroomed apartments, 11 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 2 no. 3 bedroomed apartments and 3 no. 2 bedroomed detached town houses; 2) 1 no. 175m2 cafe/restaurant and 1 no. 99m2 retail unit; 3) a 33 no. space basement car park with access from Victoria Cross Road. Yet again, the majority senior citizens are protesting at the high-rise nature of the development (between 2 and 4 storeys :confused: ). They complain of being tired of development in their area. One of the 22 objectors, Ms. Helen O’Hea (70) laments for the loss of the local chemist, butcher and post office which she claims once left the residents, ‘spoilt for choice’ – she implies that this is due to development in the area and further complains that the area is turning into a ‘ghetto’.

    – these residents, in the form of CAHRA, make me laugh and become highly frustrated in equal measure. They reflect on the area’s past with rose-tinted glasses and fail to recognise development is not the cause for the loss of their local butcher – markets change, shift, people age and move on. The development in this area has been very respectable in most cases and few have had any direct effect whatsoever on any residencies. Moreover, objecting to such development isn’t going to bring back the ‘good old days’ or local services – if anything, the provision of such development will bring these services back into the area once again to meet increased demand (the above application brings a new restaurant and retail unit back into the community). Once again, the residents are showing a questionable sentiment regarding this ‘high-rise’ development – excuse me but many houses in the area range taller than the 2 to 4 storeys they are protesting. 4 storeys isn’t high-rise by even a long-shot. [a comment here at this exact point has been purposely removed until such a time that situations regarding it can be resolved. I will happily reissue this line on request following the outcome]



    ๐Ÿ™‚ Frinailla Developments have acquired the Dennehys Cross Garage premises with adjoining shop & bar. Originally earmarked for a student development, the site now looks set to see a new residential and commercial proposal. Of course CAHRA and the residents will be fuming – but new local services they complain of being ‘destroyed’ by development, will in fact be provided in this new venture. McCutcheon Mulcahy will be employed by Frinailla on the development – with John Paul Construction most likely as main contractors. An application should be lodged for early to mid Summer.



    – and to lawyer , Marina Point is considered the whole area from the ESB Power Station east to the Ford Motor Co. premises toward Blackrock direction.

    in reply to: New Dublin Outer Ring Road #750743
    lexington
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    And to think they’re wasting all that money on constructing/upgrading the N8/N7 to motorway between Cork and Dublin, sure, just include it in the ring road! Or if not, at the rate at which these ring roads seem to be developing (the Cork Loop gearing up) and now this outer Dublin ring, the country will soon resemble an oversized spirograph.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733171
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    Yes – around and to the east of the ESB Power Station.

    I think the social housing location is more to do with the availability of land in the docklands with respect to maintaining a distinctive commercial quarter further west along the quays – as set out in the Cork City Development Plan 2004. It will still compose an integral part of the overall Cork City Docklands Redevelopment.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733167
    lexington
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    CCC have already designated an area further east of the Marina Point area (which has plans to redevelop as a new University Campus and Student Town Centre) to focus on affordable housing. CCC already have 50m euro plans to construct a mix of apartments, houses and duplexes for such use at this location. Construction work is planned for late 2005.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733164
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    @St Luke wrote:

    Lexington

    I enjoyed your vision of Cork, but it is remarkably exlusionary. In it you say nothing about how you might imagine how new developments and urban policy over the next 10-20 years might deal with the persistent levels of urban inequality which are part of the current economic and social fabric of the city. By envisioning the city-island as a pleasuredome for wealthy middle class families in upmarket appartments, and populating the river bank with cafes and marinas to entertain corportate clients, its a little difficult see a future for Cork which ensures equality and inclusion for all its inhabitants….

    I’m glad you brought this up…

    …if you remember, I did refer to docklands living, as I hope it would be, to be ‘superior, but not necessarily exclusive’. Indeed, I recognise that my portrayl depicts something of a middle-to-upper class utopia, but it would be my hope that this regeneration would be devised to the benefit of all Cork’s citizens. Most developers, when creating residential developments, would generally hope to aim at the middle to upper markets, as these markets have greater resources and allow the developer maximise his return to investment ratio. Evidently, 70% of all Cork’s current apartment developments is aimed at these markets. In their position, if you stake your money on an investment project, you will clearly wish to maximise your benefit return also. It may not be an ideal circumstance, but it is a reality. Quite often, affordable housing schemes are left to local authorities to provide alone, or in a joint initiative with which a private developer can depend on the authority to help reduce his/her risk. I do acknowledge some private developers have embarked on such affordable developments at their own initiative e.g. McInerney. The lack of private investment in affordable housing has led local authorities to introduce new measures in order to attain social housing units (for example, a new O’Brien & O’Flynn housing development near Douglas was granted planning on the condition that it provided 20 units to the local authority for affordable housing purposes – something OB&OF tried vehemently to recompense, offering money instead of housing units. Their efforts were unsuccessful).

    A fact of reality is that the economy is driven predominantly by the so-called middle to upper income earners, a fact stated by the Government and CSO (http://www.irlgov.ie) – but this doesn’t mean we should overlook other classes of income which provide an important percentage in their economic contribution. Nor does it mean we should create a scenario by which members of such categories (an unfortunate phrase) should be denied the ability to ascend into alternate brackets. The current rise in housing prices, I do believe, is driving such blocks to this – and while developers are profiting healthily from it, the other end of the sepctrum is finding it increasingly difficult to keep its head above the water. I should hope that there is a levelling in housing prices (as indicated by recent BoI and ESRI stats) inflation over the coming months. Hopefully, as the population continues to grow (approaching the 5m mark – projected – for 2018), a greater wealth base will afford the continuation of such existing developments, whilst creating a more sustainable affordable housing market with greater private participation.

    The docklands I envision will indeed probably be driven by the mid-to-upper market categories – as I said, this is where investment predominantly follows. Furthermore, members of such markets are in the majority associated, participating members of the operations, businesses and development which such investment brings. It may not be a liked picture, but it is a reality. The development processes and associated investment bring with them a greater dispersion of wealth (though this may not be even, it remains evident). I highlight the effects which Mahon Point has brought to what was considered an unemployment blackspot of Cork – the joint public-private funded training programmes have created 1,200 jobs for residents of the region within the shopping centre alone, this will rise to (projected) 6,000 in 2009. The increased level of construction activity around the city has generated employment activities among those who may not have had but sought work – accepted that some of this work is only temporary, the fact is however, that it provides the skills, money and incentive among these workers to allow them pursue and attain future employment elsewhere. It is a consequence, that though the tide rises higher in some places than others, the water level rises generally throughout.

    The Cork I envision – and, believe it or not, it may indeed by where it is heading strategically, is an inclusive one. I do not pretend to believe every single individual will benefit unequivocally, nor do I state that the benefits will be entirely balanced – but I do state, that Cork will benefit at large. Look what has happened already; the increased prosperity of the region, fuelled by investment and development and so on, has raised the average weighted income across the Cork city area. This has seen families who had never left their neighbourhood before enjoy the ability to take a summer holiday abroad (I recognise the Ryanair-factor in that too!); allowed projects like Mahon Point become not simply viable, but unprecedented successes; houses in even the most unexpected areas revamp, extend and renew; and so on and so on.

    In my envisionment, I did not have the opportunity (for spatial reasons) to outline how I would wish to see the socio-economic fabric of Cork city develop alongside this new regeneration. Nor was I able to outline how I wish to achieve them. I could gladly do so if you wish – but this is not the forum to do so. I think in outlining how I would like to see, and may well see, the city develop – it is a little unfair to assume so much of my opinion for these aspects of society without a clear chance to reference them. Is it not a little stereotypical to associate cafe culture to one faction of society – like the corporate? Who says they all have to be Canary Wharf? I would certainly never imply that this was so – and in my depiction, if that was the led conclusion, may I now clarify that this is the intention. Paintings on a gallery wall are open to an observers interpretation, but it isn’t always what the artist had in mind I suppose.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733162
    lexington
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    @Pug wrote:

    did i see that Murnanes had planning in for a new business park up by the airport? any more info on that?

    No, they plan a 25m euro business park for Bantry – based on the 80m + Cork Airport Business Park. Murnane & O’Shea are looking to grab some names in their hometown – however it is most likely the majority of businesses will be local or nearby. Should be good for the town.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733160
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    @dowlingm wrote:

    Lexington,

    would appreciate any further info on the Temple Hill proj. Have been recalling the site as I saw it last – seems a challenging project to me!

    The application, lodged by Mary Collins (supported by an un-named developer), for the quarry site along the Boreenmanna Road at Rockboro, Blackrock – consists of the following: a nine storey 39 No. apartment development comprising of a lower ground floor 16 car spaces and storage 518sq.m with 7 car on site car-spaces, upper ground floor 5 No. 2-Bed and 1 No. 1-Bed 503sq.m., First, second, third, fourth and fifth floors each with 6 No.2-Bed apartments area of each floor 503sq.m., sixth floor, 1 No. 1-Bed, 1 No. 2-Bed and 1 No.2 Storey 3-Bed area 215sq.m and seventh floor shared roof garden with upper floor of former apartment area 78sq.m. Decision due from CCC on 31st March 2005.

    The design team is Coveney & Associates of Monkstown, the same architects behind John Mannix’s Washington Street development (apparently earmarked for construction Summer 2005 though I’m not clear on that, but if otherwise, I’ll let you know).

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733159
    lexington
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    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Bowen Construction have finally removed the tower crane from over 21 Lavitts Quay – the 24m(thereabouts) euro office and residential development along Cork city island’s northern quays – beside the Opera House. Although much of the building remains shrouded in scaffolding, when up and running, the O’Callaghan Properties development will house 44 luxury apartments overlooking the river and Shandon Bells, over 35,000sq ft of office space – of which the 5th and 6th floors will house the new O’Callaghan Properties HQ, a private multi-storey car-park, retail facilities and a restaurant at ground-floor level. The building was designed by Patrick A. Cashman & Associates, and in my opinion, is one of the finer looking office developments in the city centre of recent years.



    ๐Ÿ™‚ Though Mahon Point is up and running, the demand by retaillers for Cork city centre space is still overwhelming – demand far outstrips supply. OCP must be licking their lips at the prospects this poses for their Academy Street development – but I’ve heard that both Frinailla (through Atis Harrington Bannon) have had very avid approaches for the retail space at their soon to be constructed Grand Parade Plaza development, so too, Michael O’Donoghue (Rockfell Investments) has been able to cherry-pick interested parties for his 170,000sq m department store/retail mall development along Cornmarket Street (also soon to be constructed – following subsurface investigations). H&M, TK Maxx, Habitat (confirmed for Cornmarket Street), Dixons, Esprit among others have all approached the aforementioned developments – but I can’t confirm any at this point in time (unless otherwise stated). Zara and other Inditex stores have been reviewing other premises throughout the city also in addition to their existing Pull & Bear, Bershka and Zara stores.

    But more still, I can confirm – John Lewis, Harvey Nichols and House of Fraser have all be scouting locations in Cork city centre ~ we may have to wait until Academy Street is up and running before they attain the desired space, but you never know – something ‘else’ may crop up in the meantime. ( ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

    This comes on the back also, that Debenhams in Mahon Point have recorded trading levels only succeeded by their Oxford Street store (this is probably the initial rush syndrome – but trading levels would not be expected to vary too much in the strategic run).


    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733158
    lexington
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    An interesting Breakfast Briefing held last Thursday in the Imperial Hotel by Hamilton Osbourne King, Cork – at which director Peter O’Meara outlined in his vision for Cork 2020 based on the statistics, trends and facts. He outlined an interesting and somewhat exciting view. In attendance were members of the CBA, Chamber of Commerce, City Council, Developers (incl. Owen O’Callaghan, Michael O’Flynn et al), Architects and other prominent figures in the development community in Cork.

    Those this may be somewhat of a ‘utopian’ outline – this is how I would like to see Cork develop of the next 16 years, and how I think, with proper planning and investment, it could very well achieve. (Consider the fact that at a p.a. population growth rate of 65,000+, Ireland’s projected population will reach 5m by 2015).

    CORK 2020

    Metropolitan Cork
    Cork city will be the commercial centre serving a catchment population of 600,000+, with 330,000 situated in the greater Cork city area. Planning restrictions as laid out in the former and current forms will have seen the city boundaries only extend enough to incorporate areas like Douglas, Rochestown, Curraheen, Little Island – Glanmire and Ballincollig[???] (effectively they are suburbs, but would Cork CoCo ever acknowledge this? Or are they too valuable income earners???). The city will have a series of large feeder towns such as Midelton, Macroom, Mallow, Kinsale, Bandon, Cobh – all served by an efficient City Commuter Rail Network, complimenting the newly established Intersububran Rail Network (CATS – Cork Area Transport System ~ something strategically and importantly needed, may even be worthy of a private investment). In addition to the aforementioned, Cork Airport, Blarney, Blackpool, the Docklands, Mahon Point, Bishopstown, Ballincollig and Carrigaline (via Grange/Frankfield & Black Ash) would all be served by rail.

    The Commuter Towns may perhaps in some cases measure populations of up to 20,000 to 30,000 (in Ballincollig’s case, 42,000).

    Commuter Cars will be significantly reduced, and perhaps, discouraged from travelling into the city.

    A full ring-road loop would serve the Cork Metro region (in the form of the proposed Northern Ring Road linked to the N8 and N25). Some sporadic development along this motorway will inevitably form but will be highly restricted in the interest of protecting the scenic Cork Green Belt.

    Cork City & Docklands

    The city centre will finally be pedestrianised. City centre living will have become more popular in light of the increased amenity, safety and accommodation of the area. The increased national population brings Cork’s city centre population back on form. Developments providing more family-friendly sized apartment units (indicated by such developments as the Eglinton Street proposal by OFC [1,900sq ft 3-bedroom apartment ~ encouraging owner-occupiers] and Camden Court by OSB) with extensive communal gardens and play-areas, integrated creche facilities and so on.

    As most office activities in the city centre will shift eastwards toward the southern Docklands area, South Mall will open up to pleasant boutique style retail units and some office retail. The street will become an ‘internal community’ of sorts. Retail space, even now in such high demand for city centre space, will be assisted by extensions of the CCRA at Grand Parade, Cornmarket Street, South Main Street, South Mall and Sullivans Quay/Georges Quay (plans are already kicking into effect at Grand Parade and Cornmarket Street). The city centre’s historical value will be protected, new buildings will be permitted, but remain no taller than 7 to 9 storeys at a max. Increased medical and residential facilities will be provided along Bachelor’s Quay/Henry Street/Grattan Street area. Pedestrianism will rule the day. Some prominent city centre walkways will have retractable canopies over main pathways to allow uninterupted pedestrian and bicycle journeys around the city centre even in poor weather. An extensive network of boardwalks will provide enhanced amenity value for residents and visitors alike. Increased public art should be promoted. Increased green areas (something Cork city centre highly lacks) will be promoted, perhaps, as suggested in areas such as the roof of existing multi-storey car-parks. The city centre core area will shift east slightly, over Parnell Place, Lower Oliver Plunkett Street (trust me, Howard Holdings knew what they were doing when the took on City Quarter). A Water-Bus network will be in effect linking the city centre with Ballincollig Town Centre, Victoria Cross, UCC, the Docklands office and university districts, Tivoli and so on.

    The southern Docklands (Kennedy Quay), will become the new office district of Cork – the city must and hopefully will not simply promote itself as a prime office destination of Munster, or Ireland for that matter, but as Howard Holdings suggest, at an international level – not playing 2nd fiddle to Dublin, but as its own distinct, stand-alone centre of excellence. The city also needs to promote itself as a c.o.e. for R&D in Europe and the world. In doing so, demand for office space in the docklands will be prime – it is achievable. High-rise office, commercial, retail and some, though few, residential, buildings will line the southern docklands as far as Marina Point (which will become a new world-class University Campus – in conjunction with UCC & CIT among others, with extensive student, service, leisure and amenity facilities). Given Cork’s pharmaceutical strength and medical institutions, the city should build on that to develop an international centre of R&D and treatment excellence – in conjunction with e.g. CUH, UCC, Pfizers, MUH etc etc. The high-rise buildings will be of the utmost taste and quality – becoming an exciting area in which architects can explore new opportunities and standards in aesthetics. The high-rise nature of the area will give over more green-space – the area will link up with the city centre’s boardwalk network, lined with cafes, restaurants, bars, play-areas, boutiques etc etc. It will also allow for enough area in which a large, internalised marina facility will be provided allowing Cork and international boat-owners dock their vessels and availing of the nearby harbour area. It will also look good when entertaining corporate clients or visitors. Large public areas could be facilitated by this high-rise district. Kennedy Quay and Centre Park Road/Monahan Road will be the main development area here.

    The Water Street Bridge and new pedestrian bridges linking Kennedy Quay with Horgan’s Quay & Water Street will allow excellent pedestrian and rail access between the newly developed Horgan’s Quay residential quarter and railway station. Horgan’s Quay will have some limited high-rise, but not to the same extent as Kennedy Quay. All buildings will be slender in their east-west perspective as to minimise disruptive views from the northern hillsides. Up to 5000 residencies will occupy the Northern Docklands. Waterfront perspectives will be utilised to the maximum. The standard of living will be superior, but not necessarily exclusive.

    A new event centre will be in place at the former Munster Showgrounds (and will be considering a possible extension, as the strategic investment pays off pretty nice). The overall improvement in Cork as a whole, plus increased population and increased corporate presence of an international nature along the docklands, will attracted many a convention and many a first preference event. ๐Ÿ˜€

    Cork’s sporting grounds at Musgrave, Turners Cross, Temple Hill and Pairc Ui Chaoimh will be fully redeveloped and among Ireland’s finest – hosting regular international events and some large-scale concerts.

    …on a less realistic note….

    No potholes on the roads.

    All the above is projected on fact and intention, it is realistic, but only with the proper planning, marketing and investment. Cork could indeed, become an excellent living, working and tourist environment, more-so than is, but it will need an open-mind and hard-work.


    CCC’s vision – I believe things will (if following growth, plan, statistics and trends) be a little more exciting – a little more radical and better for all concerned.

    in reply to: Look at de state of Cork, like! #733157
    lexington
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    @dowlingm wrote:

    Lexington,

    would appreciate any further info on the Temple Hill proj. Have been recalling the site as I saw it last – seems a challenging project to me!

    I’ll have so more info on the project early next week.



    *UPDATES*

    ๐Ÿ™‚ Ascon Ltd have begun the preliminary work (roads, piping, deconstruction of the College Road Boole Gateway – a PS – due to be be reconstructed after completion of the Boole etc) on the University College Cork, 60,000sq ft, 32m euro Boole Library extension. Although, I have no confirmation whether Ascon are the main contractors on the project yet. Primary construction has been earmarked for June 2005 with a completion date set for late 2007.



    Correction and UPDATE

    Based on info I secured for a prominent Cohlan Downing associate, I believe I may have reported that City Quarter had been 100% sold, let or reserved – evidence provided by Howard Holdings today has said that this info was based on a ‘pre-empted deal’ and in fact 90% had been to-date successfully sold, let or reserved. 1 floor (3/4) only remains – w/ 4 offers standing. Howard Holdings today erected a large banner across their City Quarter office development to promote the fact – in an effort they hope will fuel record sale or letting rates within the development. My apologises for the inaccuracy.


    City Quarter, Lapps Quay

    – However, indeed, 60% of neighbouring office development, No.6 Lapps Quay by O’Flynn Construction (in advanced construction stages) has been sold, let or reserved already. No.5 Lapps Quay adjoining, which was sold on a floor by floor basis, has been completely sold out.


    No.5 & No.6 Lapps Quay



    ๐Ÿ˜Ž It seems that both O’Flynn Construction & O’Callaghan Properties are in the Favourite 4 of the OPW’s books for providing the new 80,000sq ft of office space required by the Revenue Commissioners in Cork.

    Although CCC were anxious to see the requirement spur a further docklands development – and it was certainly an ideal candidate – approaches by the 2 developers, promoting their Ballicollig Town Centre Office Campus and Mahon Point Office ‘Arena’ respectively.

    Other runners who have approached the OPW have included SHUL, Corbett Bros., the Kenny Group and others. However, the OPW had been issued specific guidelines, which required them to seek office space (city centre) currently under development or in planning. Final offers are due March 24th 2005. With City Quarter already full, No.6 Lapps Quay more than half sold or let, no other city centre office development currently in planning or under construction is suitable to OPW requirements (Corbett Bros. Copley Street office development measures only 60,000sq ft, SHUL’s Tellenganna Lodge development = 60,000sq ft, The Kenny Group have only site offerings) – only O’Flynn’s 130,000sq ft office development at BTC, and OCP’s 130,000sq ft office campus at Mahon Point have planning in place. The problem is, neither of the developments are in the city centre or within the 2km radius of Kent Station, as required. It is viewed the OPW may overlook this, with O’Flynn Construction possibly offering a concessional public office at its No.6 Lapps Quay office development in the city centre, while the bulk of the Revenue Commissioners space remains at BTC. Similarly, OCP may offer a concessional city centre space to the RC at 21 Lavitts Quay office development, at the bulk of the RC space at Mahon Point. O’Flynn Construction project that they will have the majority of office space at BTC available for Spring/Summer 2006, while OCP project that they could speed up development of their office element for completion in Summer/Autumn 2006 also.

    Though other offers will undoubtedly be made by other developers, and perhaps the RC will remain in the city – I just thought I’d let you know the perspective of the above developers. The OPW may for example, be so attracted to a site like the one offer by the Kenny Group at 50 Grand Parade (right across the bridge from their existing Sullivans Quay office building), they may be willing to wait while the project runs through planning again and is constructed thereafter. Who knows?! It’ll all depend on the offers – but consider the advantages of BTC and MP – low rates, free abundant parking, a myriad of staff facilities, easy access. Hmmmm. It would be nice to see such a large development stay in the city centre however.

    Both OCP and O’Flynn Construction (OFC) are just itching to get another presence like that which Sullivans Quay offers in the city centre however. A few subsidence issues rectified and the site could allow for a whopping development!!!

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