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You will remember earlier (back in the LADSOCL thread) a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.
In my opinion, a generally quality project – its seems a difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby. The Utilities Store is currently being used by Heberger Construction/Aras Developments as their ‘Site Office’ for the Victoria Station student residence development directly across the road. This project will rise to 5 storeys.
Paul Kenny has submitted Significant Further Information on his plans to build new offices for the Revenue Commissioners along St. Patrick’s Quay. The office development designed by Wilson Architecture would home approaximately 127,000sq ft of office space and 15,000sq ft of retail over 2 linked buildings. The revised plans will now consist of one building fronting St. Patrick’s Quay between 4 and 6 storeys (as oppose to 4 and 5 storeys) with the 2nd building 4 to 6 storeys facing the Lower Glanmire Road, changed from 5 to 7 storeys. The double-deck basement car-park will now house 216 car spaces and 50 cycle spaces, instead of 235 spaces of car-parking originally submitted. It should be mentioned that the basic design (i.e. the curved quayside facade) will remain the same. A decision date is now set for the 8th August 2005.
🙂 I made a visit to The Marquee last night at the Munster Agricultural Showgrounds (yes, to see a sell-out Tommy Tiernan), and I have to say that its presence pushes the need only further that the city needs and could do most well from a permanent such event centre. The temporary nature of the facility ensured that air-conditioning and the solid service facilities were lacking (believe you me, air-conditioning was never so badly needed), but the venue provides a physical indication that such a centre could well be a success. Over 5000 persons packed the over-sized circus tent – but the atmosphere was very positive.
3 projects are currently ploughing ahead with their proposals for such an event centre. The Showgrounds, however, still, in my eyes seems the most ideal location long-run.
An application for Horgan’s Quay is not too far away and I will bring you details of its contents before its lodgement please God.
(Marquee images later tonight).
@Too many forms! wrote:
Any pictures yet of the Victoria Cross development?
You will remember earlier a post was issued noting Frinailla had entered planning for a 25-unit residential development over commercial facility and basement car-parking. The development, planned for the former Plumbing Utilities Store bordering Ashbrook apartment complex and Top Car Motor Dealership, was designed by Geraldine McNamara of Richard Rainey & Associates and ranges in height between 6 and 7-storeys. Apartments will range in size between 55m sq for one-bedroom units, 90m sq for 2-bedroom units and a 190m sq duplex penthouse with 4-bedrooms (these scale apartments have been actively encouraged by CCC and its nice to see more of these units come in to circulation). Each apartment will have 2 basement parking spaces and basement storage facilities.
In my opinion, a generally quality project – its a very difficult site to work with, but I do think that this project will compliment the area in the long-run given prospective and current proposals shaping up nearby.
Usually I keep up to date-ish on these things, but any word from Shannonside about teh IRFU’s redevelopment of Thomond Park? (The venue not the contributor! :p )
Post keeps failing to load each time I attempt. Will leave it for now and try to get back to it later.
The post regards the buildings of Parnell Place, with images – including 93 South Mall, the Trust Savings Bank, those unfortunate and shamefully neglected Beasely facades and that beautiful ‘Doll’s House’ between the TSB and Crown Centre – just like the house on Emmett Place, its a beautiful and rare example of another era of architecture (which one I’m not sure) – but the design and detail are just beautiful!
Will try and get back to this.
@Thomond Park wrote:
Can a basic level of behaviour be provided on this thread?
I.E. No-one being demeaned or defamed or misrepresented?Thomond Park – I do not believe that is a very fair comment to make. As far as the LADSOCL thread goes, the general standard of ‘behaviour’ was/is very high. Yes opinions were expressed, yes positions were argued – but I would expect nothing less of a open forum which supports such discussion.
If you refer to the the statement posted by Paul Clerkin regarding the publication articles – it becomes evident that the ‘misrepresentation’ has predominantly come from the press with respect to the users of this forum and the website itself.
Alleged statements have been highlighted in that they were presented in a misleading and inaccurate manner. Now, indeed comments were made – but of the 1800+ posts on that thread alone, the subject posts represented approximately 3 or 4 of these.
If CSD for example, given that they are the topic group at issues, act in a clearly imbalanced or unfair manner, than indeed this may and will be highlighted by users of this thread. Equally, the CSD website readily points out its issues with certain developments. The issue at hand, in terms of the behaviour you speak of, is where posts are ‘insults’. As mentioned, those points were 0.0016% of the total posts made. Supporters and members of groups like CSD have always been free to counter-argue their perspectives and as far as I am aware, have at all times been treated with respect and welcome.
In the article statement, it was noted that those comments made and deemed inappropriate have resulted in the action of membership removal.
I hope this thread avails of all the positive aspects of the LADSOCL thread – that it encourages and supports active discussion regarding architecture within the city, the architecture and their effects of new projects in the city, the development backgrounds and how the designs and proposals are affected through the planning process – the process which ultimately brings these design additions to ‘reality’. The outcomes of these projects are affected by planning submissions and it is perfectly reasonable to include mention of the nature of these submissions so that a greater empirical sense of the projects development to life is accounted for. As we know too often, the planning process can have consequences on the end design result.
I am merely posting this article for the benefit of those without access to the resepctive publication so that they may keep updated. As I said my comments on this matter are over for the time being and I, for one, am anxious to see the good work continue. Hope it is clear enough – apologises for any poor quality.
:rolleyes: How long has this thing been going on??? 😮 Finally, the Cork School of Music (CSM) designed by architects Murray O’Laoire, looks set to roll. Originally, the 110,000sq ft + project was proposed back in 1999 and has since suffered a number of severe setbacks from planning to funding to contractual misendeavours. Jarvis had originally been appointed to the PPP educational project – at one point in 2004, movement looked set when Jarvis signed a contract with John Sisk & Sons Construction to build the project on their behalf, however, when Jarvis ran into financial difficulties, its PPP wing was sold to German-firm Hochtief. The Dept. of Education has since been in negotiations with the firm about commencing work on the belated building – now, an agreement would seem to have been reached. If all goes well, a construction date is set for sometime in September of this year with an 18 month build-period. The project should be functional and open to the college’s 3,000+ music students in time for the 2007 semester.
This indeed, is another positive development (following yesterday’s announcement regarding Eglinton Street) in Cork’s architectural and educational wilderness. It is believed Sisk Construction will still remain appointed to the contract.
Any opinions on its design?
Your right to express your opinion on the issues is your utmost entitlement. But I would ask you, to please consider the situation in the context that it does not need to be roused unduly any further. What goes from here, as sw101 suggested should be left to those in charge to deliberate. That’s my final comment on the matter for the time being. A new thread is now active – and I hope it will be positive on all counts.
I agree with ewankennedy ‘s sentiment expressed above – proactive action (for Archiseek, CSD etc etc).
Irish Examiner article. The wording is, for one, inaccurate. Secondly, not to say that it isn’t there, but I genuinely don’t even recall reading some of those comments. In fact, the 1st comment quoted as being on the website belongs to the website http://www.ageaction.ie and was NEVER quoted on Archiseek by any user and any time. It is an utter mistruth. See the quote by CSD representative Mick Murphy in the Inside Cork article proving this – the Irish Examiner article has falsified this information. Also, the 2nd and 3rd comments were made as 1 post by 1 contributor and are NOT seperate user comments – the article portrays these comments as being seperate – thus representative of the other users.
The 2nd last apparent comment was not a post condemning the members of CSD, it was actually a defence against another comment by a prominent Archiseek contributor (who generally doesn’t involve with the thread in question) and who was defending the OAPs. This is another twisted portrayl and is entirely inaccurate and misleading.
I however accept responsibility for the last highlighted point about ‘the local butcher’ as I remember posting that, however it was taken out of context in a discussion about objecting to plans based on their impact in depriving a community of local services and was in NO way related to an attack on the elderly, but the effects of development on community. It has nothing to do with the portrayed description in the Irish Examiner.
In total, of all the comments made apparently by users criticising the elderly, about 2 stand – one with a question mark over it. The remaining quotes would seem to be either falsified, misrepresented and/or misquoted.
Inside Cork article. Paul, Inside Cork is a free local circulation paper now owned by the Galway Independent. Its circulation averages 25,000. Please note that the quoted comments are completely inaccurate and that it claims Archiseek.com did not avail of the opportunity to respond – which is a blatant lie. Katie Mythen’s e-mail address is printed. Her editor is Eddie Lyons at eddie@insidecork.ieApologises for the late posting.
As par my post at -> https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?p=36510#post36510
Eglinton Street was granted subject to 25 conditions. A positive day for Cork architecture and progressive development.
Paul,
I’m not sure if you are aware of this but Eoin English of the Irish Examiner (a gentleman along with many of his IE colleagues who has frequently taken information and stories from the LADSOCL website and used them – with which the thread contributors have rarely complained regarding) has published an article in todays IE regarding Archiseek. Mr. English has a 1/4 page article related to the comments made by some posters on the LADSOCL thread. It condemns comments made regarding residents of Bishopstown and members of Cork Sustainable Development group – with whom some contributors have apparently made ‘ageist’ comments claiming the ‘OAP residents’ shouldn’t have a voice. Mr. Scully of the Equality Authority (I’ll have to double-check that) has actively encouraged those who feel ‘offended’ by these comments to take legal action against the website.
For some of the comments, if I have made ones that have insulted persons of this category, I wholeheartedly apologise on my behalf. Generally, I (more and more so) have tried to offer more reasonable posts when discussing CAHRA/CSD and An Taisce. In all honesty, I have found myself in complete agreeance with many of the comments made from such perspectives. In many cases supported them. If anyone takes the time to read the posts in detail they will see this. However, it must be stated that the article took a very one sided and out of context perspective. I personally would like to bring a few truths forward and in the open regarding this article and the persons associated – who have much to answer for also.
As of now, and while discussing legal dimensions with appropriate sources and authorities. I for one will no longer be contributing to the Look at the state of Cork, like! forum – at least for the time being, until some sort of new arrangement can be made.
As for comments made by others, I can’t speak on their behalf. I think the forum has been a good contributor to debate regarding development AND architecture in Cork and has certainly generated more awareness at some level.
I would like to thank Paul Clerkin for providing a wonderful service – although I’m sure quite often that the thread drove him up the walls, he has been a most fair and positive webmaster.
I would like to be able to contribute to the forums in the future – as I think there is still much to said and discussed regarding the architecture and progress of Cork city, but for the time being, not in the LADSOCL thread.
Furthermore, if there is anything I can do to aid Archiseek.com in the meantime (whether informational, legal etc) please do not hesitate to ask.
Lexington
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Indeed Lex, from what I hear it won’t be around for much longer (at least in the form we recognise it). The question is, how many of the rumours are true with regard to this tri-partite deal. Anybody got some concrete information?
Or at all! I’ll be updating you all on that soon hopefully (when I don’t know). If all goes many an inevitable objection and dropped jaw will follow. An article on Pairc Ui Chaoimh’s speculative future will be published in tomorrow’s edition of Inside Cork I hear.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
After London’s success, what about CORK 2016?
Sailing in the harbour? Football in Pairc Ui Caoimh?:DThat’s if Pairc Ui Chaoimh is still around! 😉
🙂 Frinailla have been greenlit for a development of 65 residential units at Springmount in Glanmire. The steep 4 acre site was sold to the developers last year for an undisclosed sum through Global Properties and will house 25 apartment units and 40 duplex units.
See Frinailla for development images.
🙂 Tarragona Solutions have also been given the go ahead to develop a new medical centre on the former Bowen Group HQ along the Lee Road. The centre, designed by Deady Gahan Architects, will see the construction of a 2-storey block and 3-storey block housing 17 medical suites and ancillary offices.
🙂 Heiton Holdings have been cleared to develop a 96-bedroom, 4-storey hotel with multi-storey car-park, leisure facilities, bar, restaurant and conferencing facilities on the site of their Heiton Buckley Building Supplies Centre at the Bandon Roundabout in Ardarostig, Bishopstown (along the South Ring/Ballincollig By-pass). The decision has come early.
😎 Castlelands Construction have been granted plans for 125 new homes and a creche at Baneshane in Midelton. This follows another addition in a long line of housing developments granted or planned for Midelton. Castlelands are also formulating plans for a significant city development. I’m looking ford to reading their proposal pitch. 😉
😎 Jerry Keohane has been cleared to construct 24 holiday homes at Lee Valley Gold Club near Farran. As part of his plans to expand the golf resort, a new gym, golf retail unit, conferencing facilities and extended restaurant have also been permitted.
Just regarding the Clarke’s Bridge office development, I posted (a while back) an image of the original proposed 6-storey design for the site. The new 7-storey design has been altered to include a number of more aesthetically pleasing features by architects Coughlan de Keyser. Copper and brick elements have been added to give more character to the new project and allow it not only be ‘landmark’ but also respectful of its neighbours (see image below of the Southern Elevation – facing onto the river). John Dwyer intends to lodge his plans for the adjoining site soon.
😀 American fashion icons Abercrombie & Fitch are set to roll out an estimated 5 stores across Ireland starting from late 2006/early 2007. In what is expected to be their first move into the European market, the American giants have cited their move into the Irish market given the young affluent population and similarities in ‘style culture’ shared between American and Irish markets. A&F are already an established brand among 16 to 25 year olds (their core market) in Ireland – with many J1 students returning with volumes of the store chain’s products. The source with Hollister, a wholly owned A&F subsidary pointed out that a CFO & CEO had been appointed to the new European division set up last January by A&F and they had identified Ireland as been the ideal first foray into the European market (no news on the UK prospects yet). The first store is set for Dublin, which it is hoped will ultimately house 2 stores over the coming years. Other stores are earmarked for Cork (at least 1) and possibly Limerick.
It was supposed in a report by The Sunday Business Post last Feburary 2005 that the redeveloped Dundrum Shopping Centre, as part of Castlethorn Construction’s Dundrum Town Centre, would provide an ideal location. In Cork, undoubtedly Academy Street would offer an ideal location – its completion is scheduled in and around the time A&F intend to roll out. Undoubtedly Joe O’Reilly and Owen O’Callaghan would be chasing after such a desirable, status providing and lucrative tenant for the respective projects.
The scaffolding is being removed on Haranka Ltd/The Carrolls Quay Development Co. project at John Redmond Street and Knapps Square. In a few months, this perspective will be masked by Phase 2 of OSB Group’s Camden Court (sales on the first phase have been strong), designed by James Leahy & Associates. That development has received much praise in architectural circles for its unique design which comprises of a series of edges & curves comprised to home 44 apartments on a difficult, narrow site. Phase 2 will see an additional 50 apartments added over 6 storeys with a new Pa Johnsons Bar and Cork Arts Theatre constituent. The 2nd Phase has also received praise from the likes of CCC and An Bord Pleanala.
The image above shows a crane at work on the Camden Court site, with John F. Supple Contractors assigned to the project.
Back to the Haranka development – it is a 6-storey Section 23 residential project comprising of 90 apartments units (85 in the original application, plus a further 5 at rooftop were permitted thanks to a subsequent application) designed by BOYD BARRETT MURPHY O’CONNOR Architects, built by Cumnor Construction. The design was suppose to blend and even mimic the clusters of old bell towers, church spires and rectories to the west of the development across John Redmond Street. Personally, I don’t think its up to much – but thats up for debate, anyone??? Phase 2 of Camden Court should mask this with a more unusual aesthetic provision.
The image below was provided by Devin in the architecture of cork city thread and is here to given you a perspective on the Camden Court development.
Not far away, PJ Hegarty Building Contractors are exploring options on developing their attractively located site adjoining the Cork HQ on Carrolls Quay. The site extends to the north of their office building and is currently used as staff parking.@who_me wrote:
Any ideas of what’s in store for the old warehouse on Fr. Matthew’s Quay? I presume it’s going to be more or less completely demolished – I can’t see how it could easily be adapted.
It’s actually being revamped to some extent – well the facade at least, the interior is to be gutted. Tom McCarthy is redeveloping the former mill as a new residential, office, bar and restaurant facility (extended from his Jacobs on the Mall premises) with 30 car-parking spaces to the rear over 3 levels. The project is designed by Murray O’Laoire and currently under construction by O’Flynns of Banteer,
@mickeydocs wrote:
what’s the status with the cornmarket developemnt… has work actually started?
Scaffolding has been erected and the Musgrave Building warehousing has been demolished with excavation works on-going until (it is hoped) early August. Foundations will rapidly proceed thereafter and the Noddys Building will be demolished. Primary construction is anticipated for mid-to-late August/early September (depending on excavation works – which Rockfell Investments have stated that they wish to have complete as soon as humanly possible).
