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😮 Bernard Crowley & Gerard Paul have been permitted the development of a new apartment development at the former Riverside Farm along the Model Farm Road (south of Eden Hall). The new proposal, designed by Dennehy + Dennehy, is subject to 19 conditions and follows an initial refusal by the planner – this refusal was later overturned by the Director of Planning and City Manager following revised plans.
As part of the grant, the developers are required to sufficiently adjust and realign the Model Farm Road with borders their development to the North – this comes following concerns associated with the capacity of the road’s traffic handlings abilities. Furthermore, noteworthy provision of a park-like amenity area, open to the public, shall be provided for. Some reductions have also been implied on the original development plans for 67 apartments, creche and gym over basement car-parking in a building ranging for 5 to 7 storeys. The building will peak at around 6 storeys and, as par the original design, slope lower as it proceeds south.
With approx. 48 objections, including those subsequent of Further Information, the proposal will now likely face appeal.
🙂 With excavations now winding up, CainWhite have moved on site at Rockfell Investments’ Cornmarket Street development to begin foundations piling procedures. Footpaths to the front of the site, on the Cornmarket Street elevation are being dug up and other procedures on site are gearing up from the commencement of the primary construction phase. Small delays associated with excavations did materialise but a tower crane could be seen on site, according to workers, within a month. Frank Ennis & Associates are responsible for the 170,00sq ft of retail space and 65 apartments over 66 space basement parking which constitutes the project.
@A-ha wrote:
Starbucks would be great to have in Cork, just to say that we have one…. but beside the difference in the colour of their cups… what is the main difference between Costa, Starbucks and Gloria Jeans? I am anxious to see someone going into the former Irish Rail office on Patrick Street…. it’s abit cramped, but it could still be put to some sort of use (Starbucks maybe). A Hyatt Hotel in Cork, I’m glad to hear it! It should provide some competition with the Clarion. Although with a golf course, I presume that it will be more for golfing weekends more than anything else. Isn’t there supposed to be a Hilton going out in Mahon Point, I havent heard anything about it in ages, is it still on?
I don’t think the opening of a new store chain in Cork, or any market, should be celebrated on the basis of ‘we have one’ – it should be seen a representation of the confidence that an international group realises in the market. rebel_city asks why Limerick/Galway before Cork – it’s not necessarily an issue of the bigger city gets it first – retaillers assess markets on a number of fronts. When a business invests a substantial level of capital into a new market it has to consider a number of issues – not least distribution, available retail space, the size of that retail space in a location deemed acceptable, rent or freehold values, demand etc etc. H&M and TK Maxx are making strides regarding the Cork market – so hold onto your hats. 😮
As for rebel_city‘s other point, on MahonPoint – when Liffey Valley S.C. opened in Dublin first, similar woes and fears were expressed. The same too for Dundrum. However, as I’m sure you will likely find with Ballincollig S.C. after a few months – similar fears will be expressed also. Large S.C. generally start off with hype – a hype that translates into large volumes of consumers at first, but overfamiliarisation leads to a latter withdrawal in numbers, this dip represents the period in which a centre finds its place in the market (“teething”), some centres have it worse than others – but I think you’ll find, more often than not, a niche is found and these centres settle into a comfortable operating scenario. Now not all retaillers will be happy – but the market will generally determine their position subject to a centres niche position over the long-run.
Though every hotel is in competition with the next to some extent – I think you’ll find hotel markets segment to varying clientele. The Hyatt’s location is removed from the city – though on some levels in will compete (such as conferencing and touring holidays etc) – I think you’ll find it will be of more competition to the likes of the hotel plans earmarked for the Old Head of Kinsale, and possibly the Howard Holdings hotel plan for Emmett Quay in Kinsale town centre – which will be in the Frankie Whelan stable as well I believe. The Clarion’s main competition will be, for example, the new Jurys on Lancaster Quay, the Kingsley etc.
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@GregF wrote:
As the European City of Culture year is nearly over for Cork, would Corkonians say that it was an overall success ?
What achitectural jewels have sprung up adding to the cities architecture?
Do Corkonians feel fully urbanely urbanized now in a European sense?I think Cork has developed and continues to do so, a very continental, cosmopolitan feel to it. Of course there is much more to go, but the refurbishments at St. Patrick’s Street, Oliver Plunkett Street and those proposed for Grand Parade and Cornmarket Street have all added to this. We should also note the revitalisation of the French Quarter which looks great these days – new pavings, speciality shops, cafes and restaurants opening out onto the street, narrow lanes, street decor etc etc all have made this a beautiful contrast to the main stream commercial areas that surround it. Walking down Careys Lane is often like walking into another city.
In terms of architecture, though there have been some contributions, some of the more exciting proposals are still doing the planning rounds or have yet to be proposed. In this sense, the best I feel, has yet to come.
🙂 X-CES Projects have been granted planning for their (reportedly) €200m development at Hangman’s Point, not far from Kinsale. The proposal, designed by Henry J. Lyons & Partners and scheduled to be contracted to Bowen Construction will consist of a new Hyatt Hotel of approx. 200-bedrooms, convention and leisure centres, equestrian event centre, 18-hole champion golf-course, 180 resort lodges, golf academy and other ancillary provisions. The significant proposal will now have to brace itself for the possibility of appeal. Other obstacles yet face the project also, including a considerable bat ‘problem’ associated with the lands! 😮
😎 Richard Walsh & Dick Kiely have been awarded a grant by ABP on their plans to develop 22 no. residential units comprising of 6 no. 1 bedroomed apartments, 11 no. 2 bedroom duplex units, 2 no. 3 bedroomed apartments and 3 no. 2 bedroomed detached town houses at Grianbru, Dennehy’s Cross. The project, which will range between 2 and 4-storeys, also includes 1 no. 175m2 cafe/restaurant and 1 no. 99m2 retail unit with 33 basement car-parking spaces. The project, designed by Kiosk Architects, was approved by the Bord following an initial refusal recommendation by the Planning Inspector.
Aerial View (S to N) of the Grianbru site/Dennehy’s Cross – outlined in red.
🙁 Also, John Casey (J&M Murphy) has lodged a third party appeal, for his successful grant regarding ‘leave’, against Pitwood Limited’s plans for a 116-bedroom hotel designed by James Leahy & Associates at Beasly Street and fronting 17/18 Parnell Place. The appeal concerns 2 conditions associated with the CCC grant. Mr. Casey believes those conditions may adversely his premises. This unfortunately delays a much need project – especially with respect to the facades at 17/18 Parnell Place.@who_me wrote:
I was reading back over this and the old Cork thread, and am curious about several projects that were mentioned but have gone quiet:
Eglington St. – This has planning, but any idea when construction starts? The WebWorks building in front of it is already shooting up, and – together with the pictures posted here – give some idea of the scale of this project.
Eglinton Street is out to tender – currently under 1st party appeal concerning conditions. Bowen Construction among others have tenders in on the project. Construction is set for early 2006.
@who_me wrote:
Crosses Green hotel – this (amazingly, in my opinion) secured planning. Any idea if/when construction is due to start, or is it more likely the site will be sold with full planning permission.
Received planning (another ugly DT brick – sorry, but I just don’t like it!) and the 3rd Party Appeal was withdrawn. No details of a scheduled construction.
@who_me wrote:
Kinsale Rd. hotel – a planning proposal was withdrawn if I remember correctly. Anyone have any idea why? Even gossip welcome! ]
AbsoluteHotels.com may seek a different location.@who_me wrote:
Academy St. – Can’t wait to see what’s planned for here. Given its location and size, I’d imagine this one will be really under the microscope.
Application scheduled now for November. Gehl Architects (Copenhagen) & Project Architects (Dublin) are behind the design with Niall Fitzsimons Limited as consulting engineers.
@who_me wrote:
Grand Parade Plaza – Wasn’t construction due to start before now?
A further plannig application (additional apartments and retail space) on this site is expected in the future – concerning the former Goat Broke Loose premises etc. As for construction dates – ?????
@who_me wrote:
Any pictures/plans of the North Docklands?
I have a preconception by O’Mahony Pike Architects (masterplan drawings) and will try and get it up over the next week or so. These drawings are not final designs but rather a idea on how the redevelopment proposal by Manor Park Homebuilders is scheduled to be laid out.
@who_me wrote:
Office building on Clontarf St. – the one on that tiny triangular site. Any more news?
Still in Further Information – one of my pet favourite projects, by DAT Partnerships, hoping the design isn’t lost in any revised plans. Daniel Luxton with Coughlan de Keyser is behind the design.
@who_me wrote:
And, finally, are there any even tentative plans for the Water St. bridge?
Final report being assessed.
@ToMuchFreeTime wrote:3. Whens the plan coming out for the north docklands being redeveloped by howard holdings ??? looking forward to that
Howard Holdings aren’t involved with the North Docklands Masterplan. It is believed they may have commissioned Murray O’Laoire Architects for a plan concerning the South Docklands – which will probably not be released public. Manor Park Homebuilders are involved with CIE on the North Docklands (Horgan’s Quay), O’Mahony Pike are the architects and no application date is scheduled. Discussions are on-going with CCC and the Port of Cork concerning the NDAP.
Regarding the Event Centre – 3 developers are assessing possibilities for Cork. The obvious one is Manor Park Homebuilders, however they have expressed preference for a 2,500 seat venue only, which in itself they claim would need significant retail support to make viable. I don’t believe that. MPH aren’t really very interested in building such a centre. The size of the centre isn’t really an issue – an event centre in Cork could have a comfortable capacity of 8,000 and still be viable, as it is not the size of the centre that strictly counts – its the diversity of uses and the flexibility to cater for a variety of events. For example, the centre should be able to take large concerts or be subdivided into smaller venues for smaller performances. It should be able to take conferences of varying sizes – with partitions allowing a number of smaller conferences to operate at any one time. It should be able to take the ‘Disney on Ice’ style event when required, Eurovision(??? :p ) etc etc And on ‘days off’ perhaps have an ice-rink capacity (a full proper ice-rink) which can open up to the public and host events also (e.g. corporate outings, school tours etc). Perhaps the odd visit from the Belfast Giants in an ice-hockey tournament? Perhaps allow for the creation of a home ice-hockey team in Cork to compete in tournaments – the event centre operator can attain rights to associated merchandise etc etc. With a little imagination and versatility – you quickly find capacity is not necessarily the issue. Its the frequency and diversity that you can afford the centre – and then deriving revenue streams from a variety of functions, not just 1 or 2. The ice rink idea for example will allow for year-round use – filling possible event gaps. Build cost is another important component, good design can aid this issue – plus, appropriate underground parking may help recoup some cost issues in the long-run.
@yorktown wrote:
Just saw photomontages of the Dunnes thing on Patrick Street that Bertie Pope is proposing……sorry, but does anyone else think that it looks like some huge ship has stuck itself in the back of the existing buildings on Patrick Street? Perhaps the worst presented building and proposal that I have seen….I really like the 2 floors of cladding sticking up on the roof…
I knew it reminded me of something… 😀 The recessed upper storeys on the Patrick’s Street elevation do look like a cruise-liner bridge, but that said I favour the design as is over some horrible red-brick or ‘mock-period’ monstrosity. At the very least, the design is not pretending to be anything other than what it is…and a ship. ]
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Massing at roof-top can be just seen in this image of the northern elevation.It may look standout-ish now, but thinking of it in the context of the Academy Street block, that redevelopment should lessen the impact. In a sense, there is a greater onus on the OCP proposal given its prominence, sight-lines and surrounding/constituent structures.
@indubitably wrote:
Sorry meant to say here is that article
Thanks for that.
Clearly the nature of the structure (Le Chateau) warrants retention – not simply because of its use but its history. I’m interested to see how Gehl Architects and Project Architects work this structure internally into the overall development. My understanding is that there is a lot more interest in the back-bar linkage than the actual bar itself, as little can be done with that structure as a whole. Will be interesting to see internal drawings. Generally however, the consensus among involved parties have commented that the project is looking well.
@tomthevet2003 wrote:
Lex
I believe that no deal is done with the reidy family reagrding le cheateaux, and it was also reported in yesterdays evening echo that OCP have confirmed this and that le chateaux will remain.
I still believe that OCP will need part of the property i.e. the back bar which runs behind both sasha and the 2005 office in order to proceed but again dont believe that anything is happening here yet
Unfortunately I didn’t see that article in the flesh but was notified through correspondence that details were to be published. I haven’t seen any drawings/outlines etc etc of plans which include the bar – but details of its inclusion in some form have been submitted on a number of occassions by reputable sources, albeit vague. But if you have an inside track on the situation, I’ll take your word for it – I’m going by information afforded me. I take your point about the back-bar, indeed, it would be an important link, however I would argue that it is not essential for Patrick’s Street access, that can be utilised given other properties acquired – including the Taboo Bar and building currently occupied by The Jean Scene – as well as Faulkner’s Lane etc etc.
Below is a very rough outline of the Le Chateaux premises – in yellow. Note the back-bar area’s important layout fronting out onto Faulkner’s Lane.
@Tim Hennessy wrote:
Any images of the plans for the proposed retail development at Academy Street / Emmet Place / Patrick Street
In terms of a suitable photo-montage – no, not yet for posting anyway. I’m not entirely clear on the schedule of things here – but I will hope to have some images up in and around the time of lodgement.
@lexington wrote:
– also regarding OCP’s Academy Street development, OCP have apparently struck a deal with the Reidy-family (owners of Le Cheateau bar) whereby the bar will be retained in its current usage as is, but which will allow OCP utilise its valuable layout to able its Academy Street development further. See previous posts.
As reported long ago in the LADSOCL thread – and following media reports – I can confirm that Le Cheateau will be part of the Academy Street redevelopment as stated above. This is despite some long-term media reports to the contrary.
Looks like Drogheda will have to hold its breath a little longer as Talebury Properties (the Edward Holdings SPV) has been requested for Further Information again by Drogheda Borough Council.
🙂 It seems plans are emerging well for the Shipton Group/Douglas Central Properties and their plans to create something of a new ‘Town Centre’ development in Douglas. With work steaming ahead and looking very impressive at Blackpool Park to the north of the city, the Shipton Group are co-ordinating the realisation of their impressive €100m Douglas proposal with Bowen Construction and architects (undisclosed for the time being) as talks continue between the developers and County Manager Maurice Moloney, as well as consultations with Cork City Council. The scheme will seek to redevelop 3 seperate land holdings at Douglas Village Shopping Centre, Douglas Court S.C. and land between the 2 centres which includes the existing Cinema World and former Permanent TSB premises. A new multiplex cinema will be provided at part basement level, numerous commercial and apartment units as well as a new link street with a number of retail, cafe and restaurant activities. Redeveloped elements at both shopping centres will proceed and a new link will span all 3 elements of the substantial scheme. A new relief road will be provided (much need) to the Douglas area running east to west from the South Ring Dual-Carriageway.
More details will be announced in the future.
:p Today saw the official opening of Ballincollig Town Centre’s Shopping Centre element. At the official opening ceremony, I have to say Michael O’Flynn seemed to be well happy. However, as for 70% of all the stores being open…maybe more like 40%. All the same, the centre looks well and the mix of tenants isn’t all that bad – though it doesn’t exhibit perhaps all the ‘draw’ names, it offers equally respected tenants that vary from the standard names we’ve come to expect in Shopping Centres – e.g. Roxy Records instead of Golden Discs all the time! 😀 And that makes for an interesting alternative. Hopefully further lettings and prospects regarding the Shopping Centre’s expansion will bring more exciting names to the centre. All the best to OFC!
😉 Also, for those curious as to the identity of backers involved with Mountlawn Limited (who recently lodged plans with Cork County Council for a new 400MW power station on Little Island) – a private consortia including Bernard McNamara and his construction firm Michael McNamara Construction are believed to be behind the scheme. The proposal also further enforces McNamara Construction’s agressive push into the Cork city market with other contracts won for Phase 2 of Cork Airport Business Park, the new Boole Library extension at UCC (which will shortly see 2 tower cranes erected) and suspected preliminary involvement with a new docklands scheme.
😮 David Crowe’s Oyster Developments has been granted permission on Phase 2 of its proposed Deane Street development. Phase 2 consists of the conversion of No.8 Parnell Place (a PS) – which currently serves an a Outdoor Sports store – to office use. Additionally, permission for internal changes, the introduction of roof light and the introduction of four large openings on the northern elevation was also sought – however the provision of these window openings in the North Elevation were removed by condition given that the may adversly affect the potential redevelopment rights of CIE with respect to the current Bus Station. The e-Project provided architectural services on the proposal and are also responsible for the design of Phase 1 at Deane Street which seeks to develop an adjoining 7-storey office building. It is believed that Mangerton Construction will act as main contractors.
@daniel_7 wrote:
I was just thinking today and im surprised that there is no drive true restaurants around mahon point.Giving the amount of traffic that passes there every day and the fact that the food court closes early enough and there is land fronting the road (evan the sifco site) it would surely be good buisness to use the land for this use?This is another example of where Cork developments just fall behind on something!
The land to the west of Mahon Point is in line for redevelopment by O’Callaghan Properties as part of their overall masterplan for the area. A hotel element, as well as business and technology accommodation elements have also been planned.
The Sifco site is being redeveloped by John Cleary Developments for use as Car Showrooms and a 130,000sq ft office and retail development (recently in for planning), designed by Coughlan de Keyser.
@daniel7 wrote:
I was also wondering what is happening with the mannix site on washington street as it just hit me today how ugly it makes that part of the street look?
There is no scheduled movement on the Mannix site – which is a shame. Issues regarding tenancy leases and financing are undoubtedly a part hinderance. However, there are rumours that the site may go up for sale with F.P.P. It’s a wait and see scenario I believe.
@daniel7 wrote:
and one last thing,i read in the paper the other day again about how ballincollig sc could have let 3 times the amount of space with the demand but if this is true why is the line up not as impressive as it should be?
There is an element of truth in that – part of it is all marketing drive. However, I think retaillers copped on a little late – I understand O’Flynn Construction (OFC) will be lodging a further application to extend the shopping centre west and I have every confidence that they will fill these additional units with perhaps ‘bigger draw’ names. Then again, they have 70,000sq ft of additional retail space available in the ‘town centre’ element of the scheme yet to come available. Took a walk around the centre the other day, and it has materialised much better in the flesh I’m glad to say. The whole scheme will look very well when complete.
@daniel7 wrote:
the same gos for patrick st,if theres so much demand why are these empty properties not taken up when they come available?
The problem with Patrick’s Street is rent vs available space. There are many retaillers anxious to take up space in Cork, but many of the mentioned units are too small to justify the rent demanded or too small to meet store requirements full stop. Nonetheless, units are being picked up gradually by retaillers which traditionally seek small to medium sized units – most recently is the example of Schuh taking on the former ‘Favourite’ store, recently refurbished at 121 Patrick’s Street. Other units, such as ‘Pound City’, the former ‘McCarthy Travel’ unit and Photo Store have been acquired by a group with which Joe O’Donovan is involved and who have larger plans afoot.
@securityman wrote:
I hear the Ramada hotel is opening in the Blarney Golf Resort before Christmas any pictures.
The plan is to have the doors open in December indeed, Bowen Construction have been making very steady progress on the overall scheme with the 63-bedroom, 4-star Ramada Hotel & Suites nearing completion. A leisure centre, restaurant and bar all form part of the proposal.
@Thomond Park wrote:
In relation to architecture the images look good and once there is no impact on Corbalis House the proposal could be appropriate to an airport. The real danger in this is that as DD Dallas says that the proposed rail link will not materialse and that the 3500 car spaces will then be required which would not be an acceptable situation.
Re: Corbalis House, the effect will be non-existent in terms of physical impact – in fact the proposed Terminal 2 project will have a greater impact both physically and visually. Though I agree the house is of merit – especially in the broader context of the airport environment, it is not particularly architecturally outstanding.
Regarding the metro link – the Government are likely to propose a €10 billion Transport Development Plan within the coming weeks, within which, funding for the Metro rail-link between Dublin city centre and the airport will be made available. More details should be made soon from public sources and a Press Release by the DoT.
“€500m airport redesign plans revealed”
– Neil CallananImages of the proposed €500 million redevelopment of the Aer Lingus head office site at Dublin Airport have been posted on Archiseek, an internet forum used by architects and others. The images show the proposed 162,000 square metre scheme which will include shops, offices and hotels, as well as 3,850 car parking spaces. If built, it would be around twice the size of Blanchardstown Shopping Centre.
The images include a proposed metro stop at the site, which is believed to be vital to support the retail element of the scheme. The planned development was designed by Henry J. Lyons & Partners. The project managers are 4Front International. The office site is owned by the Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) but is held by Aer Lingus on a 99-year lease which dates from the late 1960s…
The Sunday Business Post
16th October 2005@lexington wrote:
:confused: Corbett’s (J&M) have withdrawn their application for the redevelopment of the Carmelite Terrace near the Western Road. The developers had applied to developed the terrace in a 3-storey, 22-unit apartment development over basement car-park – designed by James Bourke of James Leahy & Associates. No resident submissions were lodged against the proposal which was withdrawn a day before the scheduled decision.
😎 Corbett’s will seek to reapply for their proposal at Carmelite Place – the application reiterates intentions for a 22-unit apartment development over basement car-park with a readdressed statement on height ranging for 3 to part 4-storeys. Design is again by James Bourke of James Leahy & Associates.
@alpha wrote:
not too long to go now! i hope they build the first one. it looks really nice. the other one looks very terracotta. yuck would be an understatement.
Doubtful – the 2nd design is the subject of redesign following Significant Further Information requests, in effect, it is a revised plan in addressment to some of the Boro Council’s concerns. The 1st Tower did not address these concerns and essentially does not represent the existing application. A decision date is due on the 16th October 2005. Such a pity.
O’Flynn Construction’s Ballincollig S.C., as part of its larger Ballincollig Town Centre development on 93-acres of the former Murphy’s Barracks. opens next Tuesday 18th 2005. The company has launched an official website to compliment the opening. See for youself at Ballincollig Shopping Centre.
*UPDATES*🙂 Howard Holdings will seek permission for a further 124sq m of additional office space at their WebWorks development currently under construction along Albert Quay. The provision additional floor-space is consequent of consultations with Enterprise Ireland and will be provided at the 3rd floor level should it be granted. The WebWorks was designed by Scott Tallon Walker and is being built by John Paul Construction.
@lexington wrote:
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Also, I hope to be able to post news on the successful Revenue Commissioners bid shortly.
As par my previous post (#705), I just want to update you on some news that’s been doing the realms for the past few weeks but I remained reluctant to post. It concerns the Revenue Commissioners and confirms that the wonderful Kenny Group proposal designed by Wilson Architecture is out of the race for provision of the new office space. As previously confirmed, the Shipton Group are also long out on their Blackpool Park proposal (currently under construction) – leaving McCarthy Developments and the pitch by Frank Sheahan & Joe Carey still in the running. It is also believed Ascon Rohcon is now working with the latter boosting their bid somewhat – however Tom McCarthy still has every reason to be confident.
It’s a pity that Paul Kenny has withdrawn what would have been a wonderful addition to the Cork city landscape, whether or not Mr. Kenny will maintain the design and start pitching it at a decentralising Government agency or large corporate body remains to be seen.
Paul Kenny’s highly praised proposal, designed by Wilson Architecture – now no longer in the RC bid running.
McCarthy Developments’ Centre Park Road proposal designed by Murray O’Laoire, in the final 2 remaining bids.
