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@Ebeck wrote:
Originally posted by PUG – Article elsewhere in the paper stating that Councillor Ciaran Lynch was tabling a motion to J Gavin to initiate a feasibility study into building a muli discipline decent sized stadium in the docklands – I say we all give him a hand, email his website or get him to set up some petition type email link to get everyone involved
I would gladly sign up to such a petition. Anyone have an e-mail address for Clr Lynch?
MUNICIPAL STADIUM IN CORK CITY
Councillor C. Lynch’s motion was referred to the Recreation Committee Cork City Council this week.
“That Council will undertake a study to explore the feasibility of building a Municipal Stadium in Cork City which would accommodate various sporting bodies and organizations.â€
(Proposer: Cllr. C. Lynch 07/032)Cork City Council agreed to approach three parent bodies (GAA, IRFU, MFA) to establish if there was any interest by these bodies in a shared Stadium in Cork.
Fingers crossed.
Progress Report on Cork Docklands.
1. Business and Implementation Plan
The need for a Business and Implementation Plan was identified in the Cork Docklands Economic Study.
The BIP is the next step in the process of implementation of the Docklands LAP. It will bring together the various elements of the project under three themes of Product, Planning and Infrastructure. The BIP will focus on the integration of the above issues into a single document and will provide a “roadmap†for the implementation of the project in conjunction with the main stakeholders. It will, along with dealing with the traditional areas for the City Council of planning framework and infrastructure provision, focus on the product issues including such areas as product development, funding and finance, marketing and promotion.Consultants are being engaged through a public tender process to assist the Docklands Directorate in the preparation of the Plan. Ten consortia submitted tenders and this has been short-listed to three which will be interviewed on April 2nd next,
The preparation of the plan will commence in mid-April and should be complete by mid July.2. Showgrounds C.P.O.
The CPO on the Cork Showgrounds and the adjacent land was confirmed by An Bord Pleanala on February 10th 2007. Notice of the making of a Confirmation Order was served on the interested parties on March 1st 2007. There are now 8 weeks from March 1st within which a judicial review can be sought by interested parties.
A Notice to Treat can then be served. This requires the person on whom it is served to state, within a month, their interest in the land and details of the compensation required. If arbitration is required, compensation is fixed as at the date of the Notice to Treat.
3. Contaminated Lands StudyThe study has now been completed in early 2007. The study indicates low levels of contamination throughout substantial areas of the docklands with a small number of “hot spots†identified. However, they are not a significant problem and the contamination levels are such that they can be dealt with in a reasonable manner.
The report will be made available to the landowners and developers.
4. FundingThe process of identifying key projects that will benefit from funding by the National Development Plan 2006-2013 has commenced. Funding needs will be clarified when the South Dock Local Area Plan is published.
The priority projects to be funded by the Gateways Fund will be set out once the relevant procedures are issued by the Department of the Environment, Heritage and Local Government.5. Tidal Flooding Study- Lee Catchment Flood Risk and Management Study
This study is progressing and the consultants have been focusing on the issues for docklands. They recently completed a Relative Impact Analysis which demonstrates that the protection of docklands by raising levels on the perimeter does not adversely impact areas in the City. The next analysis which is due in the next month or so is to give advice on the levels to which the perimeter should be raised to afford a level of protection from a surge tide and sea level rise in accordance with best practice.6. Cork Docklands National Forum
The Taoiseach recently announced the establishment of the Cork Docklands National Forum. It is anticipated that this body will co-ordinate responses at Government Department level to issues arising from the development of the Cork Docklands.
This approach was a recommendation made in the Cork Docklands Economic Study.7. North Docks Local Area Plan
A meeting has been organized between the Policy Section of the Planning and Development Directorate, the Docklands Directorate and the owner of two areas of land zoned for the purpose of providing pocket parks in the North Docks area with a view to progressing the matter of adequate public open space provision in the area.
8. Cork Docklands Economic Study
The Cork Docklands Economic Study is currently being prepared for printing and will be widely available in April.
9. Water Supply Study
The Water Dept is preparing a brief to undertake a preliminary report for the supply of water to the Docklands. Delays have arisen from the recent change in procurement of consultants. It is expected that the consultants will be appointed by August 2007.
10. Planning Decisions
The first step in the delivery of the North Docks Plan was marked in December 2006 by the announcement of the grant of permission for the Water Street development following a grant of permission by Cork City Council in April 2005 and a lengthy appeal process which included an oral hearing. The permitted development includes for approx 211 apartments as well as a number of retail units, crèche the re-use of the Port of Cork building for offices a quayside amenity area and a public plaza.
More recently planning permission was refused for an application by Manor Park Homes on the eastren portion of the Horgan’s Quay site. Permission had been sought for the construction of 276 no, residential units, 8 no. retail units, 2 no. commercial units, 3 showroom units, a crèche facility, and a temporary access road to serve a future railway concourse. Permission was reused by Cork City Council given the lack of a comprehensive approach by the applicants / landowners to the redevelopment of the entire strategic Kent Station/Horgan’s Quay lands as well as serious design issues which could not be rectified under this application. The main deficiencies of the application were outlined in earlier posts.
The principle of a phased redevelopment of the Horgan’s Quay / Kent Station lands was fully supported by the planning authority. However in any possible reapplication it was stated that the onus would be on the applicants, in conjunction with the landowners, to submit an urban design masterplan for the entire Kent Station/Horgan’s Quay landholding. In addition the key urban design issues referred to above would be required to be resolved in a manner acceptable to the planning authority.:rolleyes: That purveyor of the finest “SNAKE OIL†in the South, Cllr Jerryboy Buttimer (Dail hopeful) is quoted in the Irish Examiner today in relation to the towing of an illegally parked car on a footpath saying, he was “horrified†at the incident. …“This is draconian. We are trying to create a friendly city and this sends of the wrong message. We have to give people a period of grace,†he said.
And in the same edition he is quoted on the rerouting of the number 10 bus service;
“There should be no reduction in this service,†he said. “We should be encouraging people to use public transport, not discouraging them.â€The same genius voted for the Cllr.David McCarthy (FF) / CSD housing height cap of 3 storeys (due to the CSD crowd in the public gallery on the night of the vote) AND now complains about urban sprawl.
The sooner this idiot is elected to the Dail where he will be less of a danger to Cork’s residents the better.
As the Steve Earle song “Snake Oil†says;
“If you ain’t impressed yet, just tell me what you wanna hearâ€Good old Jerry, a man for all seasons!!:o
PVC King..
The inspector of the public hearing into the development had recommended against granting planning permission. However, the Bord decided not to take this recommendation due to the historical use of the land. (Quote)Notwithstanding the fact that I too welcome the decision, I am alarmed at the frequency that “The Board†overturn their own Inspectors.
The Planning & Development Act 2000 states that the Board shall consist of at least 7 members and that more can be added if the workload warrants.
😮 We now have the Board of ABP split into 3 x 3 member boardlets that decide on the future of this Country.
How many out there would like to face a Court with only 3 jury members?Given the negative reaction by city councillors to plans to rezone part of the Presentation Brothers sports grounds on Magazine Road, submitted to councillors by Manus O’Callaghan, Southern Advertising and drawn up by McCutcheon Mulcahy, Mr. OCallaghan has now submitted revised plans to try and get councillors on board.
The revised plan is to rezone 5 acres of what is deemed “surplus†land by the Presentation Brothers.
It is believed that as many as 20 councillors have “recycled†the proposal forms giving the revised plan about the same chance of success as the first.:)😡 Urban sprawl and bungalow bliss is set to get worse in Cork following city manager Joe Gavin’s direction to his planning staff to report back to him by the end of April identifying areas of the city suitable for high rise towers, (Blackpool, Mahon etc)
Others areas of Cork, particularly the suburban areas will have a height cap set. This could be as low as the Councillor David McCarthy / CSD motion passed some time ago by Council to limit height to 3 storeys.@theblimp wrote:
No, not HH – it was a new grouping that were going to do it by way of some kind of arrangement with MAS – hence the inclusion of a MAS structure on site. Perhaps the fact that it wasn’t one of the ‘established few’ worked against them? I do know, however, that a LOT of work had been done on it. Architects were london-based and there were/are proprietary rights over the roof design which gave it significant advantages over traditional methods
🙂 Thanks for the images theblimp.
That conference center and type of design is just what Cork Docklands needs to get the whole docklands area up and running, that and giving a few local Councillors a kick up the backside, (if they ever get off their backsides?)
It really is a pity that this whole Docklands project is dictated by the “Cork Mafiaâ€, if one of the “chosen few†had made the approach to the MAS I wonder would it be fast tracked through planning?, would the CPO of the site went ahead?
😉 Planning in Cork depends on who is doing the asking, NOT what is being proposed.@theblimp wrote:
Herr Gavin’s media announcements may have more to do with an article in the current issue of Business Cork, than a genuine upcoming announcement – I mean, how many newspaper pages over the past 18 months have carried something along the lines of ‘City Manager to announce major conference centre for Cork’.
The Business Cork article gave an image of what had been proposed for the Showgrounds site, and the fact that this is now scuppered since Mr. G. wishes to create a ‘park’ there.
🙂 Any chance you could upload that image theblimp?
The only reason a CPO was carried out on the Showground site was that the “wrong” group were planning the conference centre for that site,;) ie not one of the Managers “chosen few”O’Callaghan close to netting Cork Con deal
By Tommy Barker, Property Editor Irish Examiner
DEVELOPER Owen O’Callaghan is the closest of rival bidders to acquiring Cork Constitution’s grounds.The relocation deal could net the club up to €30 million and top-notch replacement facilities.
Discussions have advanced considerably between O’Callaghan Properties and the club in the past week and a deal may be imminent, sources say.
City manager Joe Gavin last month came out very firmly on the club’s sale plan, saying the sporting lands would not be re-zoned for development and must be kept for sport or amenity purposes.
For any development to have a chance of succeeding at Temple Hill, there would have to be some sort of community/public gain and amenity offering.
Con’s land adjoins a corner site owned by Eircom, and the city council has confirmed plans to transform the five-acre Beaumont Quarry — which is just across the road — into a public park.
The rugby club, which is one of the most successful in the country, is in need of more space and practice pitches. They approached a number of developers last year with a view to selling their lands at Temple Hill.
The 12 acres are most likely to be developed for residential use if re-zoning can be achieved.
Cork Con was this week close to securing its hoped-for replacement lands at Ballyorban/Moneygourney, for up to seven new pitches and a sports pavilion.
Meanwhile, members of Douglas Golf Club are to vote at an EGM on Wednesday next, March 21, on whether or not they will accept a proposal from Castlelands Construction to sell their existing course for redevelopment, in return for a cash windfall and improved replacement facilities closer to Carrigaline.
Today’s Irish Examiner
City looks at options for centreBy Eoin English
STALLED talks have forced Cork’s city manager to consider new sites for a multi-million euro conference centre.Joe Gavin said he will present a detailed report to city councillors within a month which is likely to recommend that the city consider sites other than the council’s favoured Kent station railway location.
Mr Gavin has repeatedly said he favours the construction of a 5,000-6,000 seat conference centre near the railway station on CIÉ-owned Horgan’s Quay land.
The city included the massive project in an ambitious local area plan for Horgan’s Quay which fed into the overall masterplan guiding the regeneration of the city’s docklands.
When CIÉ and their development partners, Manor Park Homes, announced revamp plans for Horgan’s Quay, talks began with Cork-based developer Paul Montgomery, who is prepared to build the conference centre.
But despite intensive talks, they have proved fruitless.
“The Kent Station site is the favoured site. But there is no guarantee that a conference centre will be built here,†Mr Gavin said yesterday.
Mr Gavin declined to criticise CIÉ and Manor Park Homes. But he said: “The various parties haven’t enthusiastically embraced the proposal for this site.â€
Now, frustrated with the apparent lack of progress, Mr Gavin is preparing a report for councillors which will suggest that other sites be considered.
Any site within two kilometres of the city centre, including the vast docklands region, would be suitable, he said.
Tourism and business interests have repeatedly stated that securing a conference centre for the city is vital to boost business.
The Cork Marketing Partnership, which was launched last week to market the city nationally and internationally, is also planning to target lucrative conference business.
Councillors called on Monday for swift action.
@Pug wrote:
1. Cork docklands is now a National Project Status – firstly, so what. Secondly, why did it take so long to do something about it.
2. A national steering forum is to be set up. I thought we already had a Cork Docklands project team.
I’ll believe it when it happens.
On (1) It took so long because some in Government thought that Cork Councillors and officials could handle the project ( now they realise that they were wrong)
(2) Cork has a docklands project team, they travel the globe each year to look at best practice in foregin designs (they are experts in 5 star hotels if nothing else)
Quote, “I’ll believe it when it happens” I share your concerns:o
Paul Clerkin wrote:Takes Dublin to sort Cork out doesn’t it ]At least somebody is willing to try and start the Docklands redevelopment in Cork.
Hats off to Joe Gavin, he tried and tried over the past 6 years to drag the Cork mafia and indifferent councilors to a point where we could get moving on the project but with little success.
😎 The major stakeholders in the area were right to go over Cork’s head and appeal to central Government, BEFORE it’s too late.ps. any chance of a few bob from Dublin towards the new consultants being hired by the CAA to see how they could loose more than the 5.8 million they lost in 2006??:eek:
kite wrote:😮 Tensions have arisen since Christmas between city management and major stakeholders in the docklands area due to the complete lack of movement there over the past years.
Stakeholders have gone over the heads of city management in recent weeks with approaches to Government members to have the development in the area fast tracked, this along with discontented rumblings in the local press has forced city management to assure stakeholders that “when� the CPO is confirmed on the Showgrounds the city will be in a position to plough ahead with this jewel in Cork’s crown.
City Hall are desperate to ensure that the planning of the docklands does not fall out of their control.
QUOTE] 30/1/07🙂 Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern is to announce tonight in the Rochestown Park Hotel that Cork Docklands redevelopment is to be elevated to a “National Project” status.
A national steering forum is to be set up to kickstart the 2 billion development of the area.
Hopefully after 7 years of inaction by Cork City Councillors things will finally happen in the docklands.@Praxiteles wrote:
Kite!
Just for the record, what is Ms Clune’s political persuasion so that we can remember it when we go to the polls?
She is the daughter of Peter Barry of Barry’s tea fame (Fine Gael)
:rolleyes: Easily known that an election is coming.
Ms. Clune and the rest of the “oppositionâ€:eek: in the City Council are unwilling to raise the airport or any other major issue e.g. Cork Docklands in a forceful way for fear of upsetting the cosy cartel that allows the rotation of the post of Lord Mayor, and expenses paid junkets at home and abroad (trips to Shanghai to see hurling games,,Sligo to see the working of septic tanks)
The Taoiseach is to grant councilors an audience for 10 mins tomorrow to discuss the airport.
A half hearted letter to the press really does not cut the mustard Ms. Clune.
We really get what we deserve in Cork with this level of public representative.@Praxiteles wrote:
From this morning’s quondam Cork Examiner:
27 February 2007
Flights of fancy
DUBLIN Airport needs a second terminal and Cork has a fully operational spare one. Ryanair has clearly indicated its desire to take over the old terminal — and the Cork Airport Authority has a rather large loan to repay.
Surely it’s a no-brainer? Ryanair flies to 27 destinations from Shannon and only four from Cork.
Kevin Dwyer
Ballycrenane
Cloyne
Co Cork🙂 I agree with Mr.Dwyer.
Sorry for being a party pooper here BUT, Knock Airport is now run by what would be described as a truly independent airport authority, and has all the signs of it (transatlantic flights, running a profit etc). Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Cork, a company that lost 5.8 million last year alone (10 years @ 5.8 = 58 mil + 100 mil dept = 158 mil), how long would the taxpayer tolerate this waste of funds?
Cork is getting a brand new airport for the knock down sum of 100 million…how long would the queue of entrepreneurs be if this bargain was offered on the open market?@Pug wrote:
The principle of a phased redevelopment of the Horgan’s Quay / Kent Station lands is fully supported by the planning authority. However in any possible reapplication the onus will be on the applicants in conjunction with the landowners to submit an urban design masterplan to the agreement of the planning authority for the entire Kent Station / Horgan’s Quay landholding. [/I]
The City Manager really needs to push for a CPO on the CIE landbank, he might include the Port of Cork’s Custom House Quay site as well??
😡 CIE and POC have been allowed to hold back the Docklands redevelopment for far too long.@Pug wrote:
manor park homes planning application for 276 apartments on horgans quay next to the railway station was due for a decision last friday – no movement yet. They applied for a 24 storey building on a site adjacent to the 17 storey building that was REFUSED to Werna Ltd
I’m not 100% sure of the dates as I am not in the office today but my recollection is that the final day for decision was Friday (unless a further information request was made before close of business)
Under Section 34 of the Planning and Development Act 2000 planning will be granted by default if delayed other than a FI request by a Local Authority.
😉 I expect a decision was made “upstairs†on Friday afternoon and kept under wraps to prevent Archiseek posters discussing the matter over the weekend??@phatman wrote:
Well it looks shut, and has done for the last while. There was a piece on the Examiner about its absence being missed during UCC Rag Week, though they didn’t elaborate as such. But to the best of my knowledge a section of the back is being knocked and redeveloped as medical suites, including the beer garden. Quite a shame, it really was the ultimate student pub in Cork, though there was a significant falloff in trade in recent times, due in part to the lack of interest of the owners, with this development on the card for a while now…
Permission was granted to Tom O’Riordan carry out development namely, permission for part demolition of existing public house and removal of existing timber outhouses, construction of 12 medical suites over 29 no. ground floor level car parking spaces and associated entrances, roadways and site works with vehicular access medical sites from the grounds of the Bon Secours Hospital at the Western Star, Western Road, Cork in accordance with plans and particulars submitted on 16/08/05; further information requested on 07/10/05; further information received on 04/04/06; clarification of F.I. requested on 26/04/06 and clarification of F.I. received on 31/05/06 Ref. T.P.05/30005
:rolleyes: Ah now Praxiteles, maybe the good lady has more important issues on her mind? Like the Right Honorable Lord Mayor of Cork, Labour’s Michael Ahern, who is proposing an Honours type list to be bestowed on people of a certain caliber. These mighty people will have the right to address our city Councillors once a term and will receive a plaque to put on their Adams mantelpiece.
His sidekick, Deputy Lord Mayor Michael O’Connell wants a departure from protocol to march for a short distance in the Patrick’s Day Parade in all the finery of their robes before taking shelter in the reviewing stand.
Now in fairness, who would be bothered with little things like proper planning?:eek:
