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  • in reply to: cork docklands #778645
    kite
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    Address by Joe Gavin, Cork City Manager at Cork Chamber of Commerce breakfast briefing, 26th April, 2007

    The Docklands
    The Docklands comprises 400 acres of land with four kilometres of waterfront all within a 20 minute walk from City Hall. The overall vision for the regenerated Docklands was set out in the Docklands Strategy Study commissioned by the Council. It proposed a vibrant mixed use quarter developed to the highest standards and to be in effect an easterly extension of the city centre. There is potential for seven million sq.ft. of non residential development and for 10,000 units of residential development. This would provide for a resident population of 20,000 and provide for 25,000 jobs.
    Since the strategic vision was launched in 2002, significant interest has been generated in the Docklands area.
    This interest has seen property values in the Docklands rocket in the past five years. Development sites have been assembled by the private sector and property owners are actively looking at ways of developing their lands.
    I set up a team which is headed up by Pat Ledwidge, Director of Services, to specifically facilitate and support the redevelopment of the Docklands. Pat and his team have been working in close consultation with all stakeholders in preparing a masterplan and in identifying measures which need to be taken. A committee of City Council has been established to help with policy development.
    Achievements to date include:
    • Local Area Plans
    The North Docks Local Area Plan was completed in late 2005.
    • Cork Docklands Economic Study
    The Cork Docklands Economic Study was completed in December 2006. It provides an overview of the economic potential of the Cork Docklands and indicates how this project will assist in the achievement of local, regional and national objectives. This study also identifies targets for Foreign Direct Investment and other opportunities in the residential, commercial and tourism/leisure areas.
    • Showgrounds C.P.O.
    The C.P.O. on the Cork Showgrounds and adjacent lands was confirmed by An Bord Pleanála on February 10th, 2007. The City Council will commence detailed planning of Marina Park shortly and plan to take possession of these lands in late 2007.
    • Contaminated Lands Study
    The study has now been completed. The contamination levels are such that they can be dealt with in a reasonable manner.
    • Business and Implementation Plan
    One of the Economic Study recommendations was the preparation of a Business and Implementation Plan for Docklands. Work on this plan has commenced and Deloitte has been appointed to assist in its preparation.
    • Stakeholders
    A number of Stakeholder groups have been established over the past year. These consist of:
    • Major Landowners/Developers
    • General Stakeholders
    • Publicly funded Service Providers
    • Arts and Culture Interest
    In addition contact is maintained with Government Departments and Public Agencies.
    • Cork Docklands National Forum
    An Taoiseach recently announced the establishment of the Cork Docklands National Forum. This body will co-ordinate responses at Government Department level to issues arising from the development of the Cork Docklands and support Cork City Council in the implementation of its plans.
    This approach was recommended in the Cork Docklands Economic Study.
    • Funding
    The process of identifying key projects that will benefit from funding by the National Development Plan 2006-2013 has commenced. Funding needs will be clarified when the South Dock Local Area Plan is published.
    The priority projects to be funded by the Gateway Fund will be set out once the relevant procedures are issued by the Department of Environment, Heritage & Local Government.
    • Designation
    In October 2006 the European Union allowed the application of State Aid to companies setting up in Cork Docklands following a submission by the Irish Government which was based on a proposal prepared by Cork City Council.
    This may apply to all companies up to the end of 2008 and to small and medium size enterprises (less than 250 employees) to the end of 2013.
    • Tidal Flooding Study – Lee Catchment Flood Risk and Management Study (Lee CFRAM)
    This study is progressing and the consultants have been focusing on the issues for Docklands.
    • Water Street Bridge
    A feasibility study has been prepared for Water Street Bridge.
    The Local Area Plan for the South Docklands will be ready for publication next month. This will set out clear guidelines for the nature of development to be permitted and will identify public infrastructure requirements including social infrastructure such as schools. This plan will indicate the need for two new bridges – one at Water Street and the second at the Skew Bridge connecting the Docklands to Lower Glanmire Road. We have taken a policy decision that both bridges will be opening bridges to ensure that the maritime access to the heart of the city continues. Future maritime traffic, as the main port activities relocate, may be leisure related but it is considered important that the harbour which adds so much to the heritage and character of Cork is maintained intact.
    New development in the Docklands area to date include the Clarion Hotel and office development at Lapp’s Quay, the Webworks at Albert Quay and office development on Monahan Road which houses CITCO. While there is need to provide significant infrastructure to service the regeneration of the Docklands there are large areas available for immediate development fully serviced with infrastructure. These lands include the former timber yard at Water Street which has planning permission for 212 apartments.
    They include Horgan’s Quay and Kent Station where there is potential for significant residential and mixed development. At Albert Quay there are significant sites which can be immediately developed.
    As we move into the heart of the Docklands there are again large tracts which can be developed and need not wait for the provision of further infrastructure.
    At the eastern end of the Docklands in the vicinity of Páirc Uí Chaoimh there are 30 acres of land. Two ownerships are involved. They have come together in a joint venture and have a target of lodging a planning application for development by July. Their development proposals include for office, residential and retail development and a 200 bedroom hotel.
    The development planned extends to 2.3 million sq.ft. and will represent the single largest development in the city. They plan to commence construction work once planning permission is secured. This joint venture project involving Howard Holdings and Tedcastles is about showing initiative, vision, creativity, risk-taking and making things happen. The City Council has plans to develop the adjacent Showgrounds comprising 22 acres into Marina Park which will be a major recreation resource for the entire city.
    A number of particular activities in the Docklands will require to be relocated in the future if the full potential of the Docklands is to be realised. These include 3 SEVESO sites. It is the intention of the City Council to seek the application of a special tax incentive package to encourage and facilitate the re-location of these activities.
    Attracting third-level educational establishments to the Docklands is regarded as important and again the City Council will seek support from Government either by way of direct funding or tax incentive to encourage such development.
    In addition to the development of the Showgrounds we see the provision of a new bridge as being an important catalyst for Docklands regeneration. We would like to see major private sector involvement and funding on the bridge project to which we will give high priority.
    The vast bulk of land in the Docklands is owned by the private sector and as such private sector investment is central to the development of the Docklands.
    These lands are held by a small number of owners and it is important that there should be co-operation between them to ensure co-ordinated development. I am very pleased with the level of involvement and co-operation which has been shown by all of the land owners so far.
    The City Council for its part has set out a clear planning framework, it has commissioned various studies which will be available to developers, it will secure the provision of necessary public infrastructure and it will champion and support the Docklands regeneration. As a planning authority, a housing authority, a roads authority and a sanitary authority the City Council is in a position to contribute in a major way to the successful redevelopment of Cork’s Docklands.
    The involvement of the I.D.A. and Enterprise Ireland will be critical in assisting with the attraction of employment opportunities to the Docklands to meet the target of 25,000 jobs.
    Over the past five years we have seen the centre of our city transformed. Over the next five years the regeneration of our Docklands will take centre stage. This most exciting project will take ten to fifteen years to complete and will require the full support of the City Council, the Private Sector, the Government and relevant State Departments and Agencies.
    We can look forward with confidence to a new era of development in the life of the city as we roll out the regeneration of our Docklands.

    in reply to: cork docklands #778644
    kite
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    @Pug wrote:

    Northgate Vehicle Hire (UK) were granted cinditional permission by CCC for
    a) demolition of existing structure and
    b) a 3 yr temporary planning permission for construction of storage building and renovation of existing offices at the former Maxol storage facility, Centre Park Road, Cork City, with change of use from storage to van hire depot.

    Anyone any thoughts as to why this would be granted? I’m not against it, just curious as to why a temporary planning permission would be given for the construction of a building.

    And also why it would be granted if the CCC want to get started on the redevelopment of the area with landmark buildings etc. Maybe the building is only small, I dont know.

    I am as confused by this permission as you seem to be Pug.
    Joe Gavin made sure that “low value” businesses such as windscreen shops, car alarm installers etc moved from Albert Quay to encourage redevelopment of the area.
    Seems strange that he would expect submissions for blue chip development from stakeholders in the vicinity of what in effect is a service yard.
    More dockland delays perhaps?

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781672
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    Barry O’Connor and Robert Kennedy have submitted new plans for their Crows Nest site to ABP.
    My opinion is that they may be in trouble with the proposal as it seems to be a cropped version of their 15 storey submission, something they were asked to avoid by ABP.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781670
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    @CasaNova wrote:

    what’s happening people? No posts? I’m one of many people who are not in the know but enjoy reading all your posts about Cork planning and the future of our city. You all on holiday or what?

    Election mode, aka silly season?

    in reply to: cork docklands #778639
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    @CasaNova wrote:

    @kite wrote:

    What does ‘maximise the potential of the river to the city’ entail? The design looks nice

    Councillors are of the opinion that further restrictions to ships entering the city proper should not be put in place.(not even swing bridges etc.)

    in reply to: cork docklands #778637
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    Aidan wrote:
    Several pieces in The Examiner on 27/4/07 on the docklands. Theres a mention of the 2 new bridges to be included in the South Docklands strategy (due to be published next month), and this piece]

    Joe Gavin going off on a solo run again, Councillors have told the Manager that they will not support bridges (even swing bridges etc) in the lower river as they want to maximize the potential of the river to the city.
    Hope this will not end up being another spanner in the works that will cause a delay?

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781668
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    @theblimp wrote:

    Could be wrong, but my memory is screaming that the ‘Trade Centre’ had to be built by a certain date, or OCP would have to pay the penalty …. and .. the land would revert to CCC (despite JG’s current claims to the contrary)

    I must have another look at the contract of sale, my recollection of the sale is that if the Council so wished OCP would have to build the conference centre and when completed the center and the lands on which built would be handed over to the city for a sum not exceeding one hundred pounds.
    Joe Gavin needs to take the common good of the city into account and take this offer. If he does not want a conference on the site the city could use the buildings for other uses.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781666
    kite
    Participant

    :confused: Am I missing something here, today’s Irish Examiner reports that O’Callaghan Properties are still willing to build a conference centre in Mahon that would cost the taxpayer a mere 6 million euro. Given the fact that all Councillors and the city Manager accept that such a centre is vital for the city, the amount spent on infrastructure in the area, and that a lower bid was accepted by the city for public lands based on the promise of a conference centre it really begs the question why Joe Gavin is willing to invest 12 million of our money for a 25% stake in a centre ANYWHERE in the city except Mahon?
    Thanks to Cllrs. Barry and Gosch, and IE’s Eoin English for highlighting this issue.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=ireland-qqqm=ireland-qqqa=ireland-qqqid=31232-qqqx=1.asp

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779781
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    @DubinCork wrote:

    De-centralisation for the second city ? Nil.

    Cork City Manager confirmed today the extent of Government decentralization in relation to Cork since 1979

    “The only Government decentralization project in Cork City in recent years has been the relocation of the Central Statistics Office to Mahon Business Park. I understand that there may be plans for minor relocations to towns within the C.A.S.P. area.
    At present we are not aware of any Government proposals to decentralize further Government services/projects to the Cork area”

    What about the 200 jobs due to be LOST from Cork City to free up 10 acres of Dept of Agriculture lands so “some” developer can make a quick killing Joe?

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781658
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    @BallinloughLass wrote:

    iF the Board of ABP go against the advice of their inspector who visited the site and viewed all the relevant documentation surely that leave the Board of ABP wide-open to accusations of corruption?

    No argument from me on that.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781656
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    Lord Mayor, Cllr. Michael Ahern is to lead a “high power” delegation to San Francisco this week on a fact finding mission. As part of their week long holiday they plan to, wait for it, “visit the Amgen HQ, a world class company who are going to provide 1100 jobs in Cork”.
    A visit to Lombard Street is also on the cards, Cllr. Bermingham wants to un-straighten Patrick’s Hill and provide a cable car from Patrick’s Street to the top of Patrick’s Hill.

    Remember a past visit to San Fran by the Lord Mayor’s Councillor colleague, Cllr. Berni Murphy?, at least his trip was not a complete waste of time, he went with an empty suitcase for promised funding, he came back with a new set of false teeth.
    Wonder if they have a good stock of toupees?
    Councillor Murphy’s trip on RTE radio;
    http://www.rte.ie/radio1/corkmoments/1056773.html

    in reply to: Cork Transport #779775
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    @DubinCork wrote:

    De-centralisation for the second city ? Nil.

    Cork Transport should be re-titled “Figure it out yourself”

    😡 De-centralisation for the second city = minus 200 jobs lost due to the Dept. of Agriculture moving from Cork to Macroon thus forcing more cars on the road to commute there.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781655
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    @THE_Chris wrote:

    I reckon Amgen will only do a small scale development now, if any 🙁

    I would have to agree with you on that The_Chris.
    I certainly would not be moving to East Cork in the hope of making a living out of the Amgen plant, yet!
    If the news is bad we are sure not to get the truth until after the 24th May.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781653
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    @Pug wrote:

    in the midst of all the furore anyway about the airport, lilac buses (called trams by the city council) and 369 jobs being hastily announced for Cork following PFizers and Motorola letting people go – some good news – Amgen were granted their planning for their bio tech facility in CArrigtwohill

    Friday 13-4-07, Amgen laid off the 100 contract workers involved in the start up process.
    The company insists that this is only a delay and that they are committed to the plant in the original size proposed.

    in reply to: cork docklands #778632
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    @jungle wrote:

    There could be an interesting situation developing in Cork Docklands as a result of Doyle Groups possible takeover of Irish Continental.

    To fund the bid, Doyle Group would have to either sell their land holdings in Cork Port or use it as collateral for a loan. In the first scenario, this could see substantial development land (valued at 250million) getting released in the port area.

    The Doyle Group have confirmed that they have began the examination of the ferry company books with a view a takeover bid.
    The review began at close of business Friday and is expected to last 4 weeks.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781651
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    Copy: Cork City Manager’s statement on Docklands development 10-4-07

    Cork City Council has been in contact with various Government Departments over the past 12 months in order to gather support for the redevelopment of Cork Docklands and to ensure that this major project for the city is on national policy agenda.

    I was very pleased with An Taoiseach’s recent announcement of the formation of the Cork Docklands National Steering Forum to assist Cork City Council in its effort to secure the sustainable development of Cork Docklands.

    The City Council is at present preparing proposals for appropriate aid which will be submitted to Government under the National Development Plan 2007-2013 and the South and East Regional Operational Plan. The Gateways Innovation Fund is part of the National Development Plan.

    There is continuous contact with various Government Departments and details of the Cork Docklands National Steering Forum are expected at an early date.

    In the meantime, Cork City Council is proceeding to finalise the South Docks Local Area Plan, which will complete a clear development framework for Docklands and give certainty to all stakeholders. It is anticipated that this plan will be brought to Council in the next month.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781650
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    @daniel_7 wrote:

    just wondering does anyone know whats happening with a few stalled developments?

    grand parade hotel site
    mannix corner
    kino cinema
    patricks quay
    capitol cinema
    caragaline town centre and
    douglas redevelopment?

    just wondering does anyone know whats happening with a few stalled developments?

    grand parade hotel site…..;) should get going now that Frinailla have got the go ahead to “take over” the City Library.

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781647
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    @PVC King wrote:

    Thats for sure

    CCC should have made it very clear by including this location as an objective of the development plan to link a conference centre to the main transport hub in the City.

    Copy of City Manager, Joe Gavin’s reply to CCC:

    Regarding the matter of an Exhibition Centre in Mahon it should be noted that such a proposal had been put forward some years back. It was subject to an agreement being negotiated and in default of this and the Trade Centre not proceeding, the developer was to pay the sum of €6,094,742 to the Council.

    With changing trade practices and the introduction of sales by internet, the value of a Trade Centre came into question. Rather than abandon the project in its entirety the Council over the past while considered the possibility of securing the provision of a Conference Centre as opposed to a Trade Centre in Mahon. At the same time the Council were exploring the provision of a Conference Centre at a site closer to the City Centre.
    Last year the Council included as an objective in the North Docklands Area Plan the provision of a Conference Centre at Kent Station.
    It is my view, at this stage, that a Conference Centre rather than a Trade Centre is what we should seek. It is also my view that this should be provided within easy reach of the City Centre.
    The time has now come when we should decide that a Trade Centre in Mahon is not viable and arrangements should be made for the developer to pay over the sum of €6,094,742 to the Council. This could go towards the provision of a Conference Centre.
    Joe Gavin 10-4-07

    😮 Reminds me of that Guns ‘N Roses song about Rock & Roll decadence in LA;
    “I just found a million Dollars that someone forgot”
    😀 Cork puts GNR in the ha’penny place as in Cork it is more of;
    “Hey guy’s, I just found 6 million that we forgot about for 9 years”
    😮 What a city, what a show, what Councillors, WHAT A JOKE!!

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781642
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    @theblimp wrote:

    I’d always been under the impression that the penalty to OCP was not just the money, but they also had to hand back the land in question to CCC !!????!!

    I think that the original plan by OCP was for a ‘convention’ centre and that Mary Harney (Minister for Trade at the time) agreed to support it substantially. Plan was that a bunch of Cork-based companies would display in there when other multi-nationals were coming over looking to invest. Sounded a daft idea at the time. Mary thought the same soon after and pulled out. OCP tried to re-jig the thing as an events centre but the site was too tight, too far out of town, and had too many issues concerning traffic management in the immediate area. Furthermore I understand that Clear Channel (now Live Nation – major international venue operators) took one look at the site and headed off pronto

    As posted last week, the City Manager, Joe Gavin is now to provide a 12 million euro carrot for a 25% share to any party interested in providing an event centre.
    The entire footprint suggested by Mr. Gavin for the centre is two and a half acres. Is this going to be big enough?
    Wonder if any foreign developer e.g. from Dublin etc will have a snowballs chance in hell of getting their hands on that loot?:eek:

    in reply to: Developments in Cork #781640
    kite
    Participant

    Cork Conference Centre:

    In 1998 O’Callaghan Properties under bid for 111 acres of land in Mahon was accepted by CCC as the best for the city.
    One of the reasons given for not accepting a higher offer was that OCP were to provide an Exhibition / Trade centre for the city or pay the city 6 million euro in lieu.
    Nine years on, following a query on the matter from Cllr.Patrica Gosch to the City Manager, the city is to abandon the idea of having a conference centre in Mahon, the city is now to call in the 6 million (a sum that was not index linked) and is to start again from scratch to attract interest in the provision of such a centre.
    :rolleyes: Roll on 2017!! 😮

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