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@Pug wrote:
looks like that grand parade devt has been sent to Further Info
Yep, planners have sought the retention of the entire Central Shoe Store (not just the façade) plus a reduction in height on the former Capital Cinema site.
@who_me wrote:
More than that if I recall correctly, more like 6 or 7.
Nine storeys of horrible yellow cladding
After more than a year in appeal Barry O’Connor and Robert Kennedy’s Crows Nest site has been approved by ABP.
The board has insisted as a condition that the height of the building fronting onto the Straight Road should be reduced further to 5 storeys, the original application was for a 15 storey “landmark towerâ€.
In hindsight, and in fairness, I for one feel that the new proposal submitted to the board in March 2006 following a request from ABP is a far superior design to the larger Victoria Mills version submitted at the start of this process.@Pug wrote:
sounds like a tough one – werent they essentially voting on rezoning it for a school? where now do they put the school though?
It was a tough decision for councillors to make.
The necessary realignment of the Brian Dillon H&F pitches to allow room for the proposed school puts the pitches under high voltage power lines.
Another site in the grounds of the Mayfield Community School may now be used and would provide a win situation for all involved as the community school was built to accommodate 800-900 students. Falling numbers over the years has that school with only 300+ students at the moment.
City management and planners are to blame for dragging this folly out for so long. This planning application, lodged by the Department of Education for development on amenity grounds should not have been validated.
This is not the first time this type of rezoning pressure was pushed on councillors, Lidl submitted a planning application for industrial land in Churchfield which led to a “Nice Treaty†type rezoning vote i.e. when councillors rejected the rezoning, the manager put the same motion before council members again for a second vote.@lawyer wrote:
Do you have any details of the vote?
16 for rezoning, 13 against.
A two thirds majority was required.CCC refused to allow rezoning of a portion of the Tank field quoting their past stated wish that amenity areas remain as such.
@Spinal Tap wrote:
Eglinton Street Tower is in a perfect location – Cork needs to start embracing taller buildings and private developers need to start building quality archchitecture.
I agree, the “copy and paste†form of architecture favored by a lot of design firms, encouraged by some construction firms and most of Corks planners should take its rightful place, in the rubbish bin.
😎 O’Flynn Construction, to their credit, commission quality designers that produce a quality end product.@jungle wrote:
Objecting to “high-rise” just because of its height is senseless, but as with every development, questions need to be raised about whether the transport network can cope, whether the sewers can cope etc.
However, that part of the straight road should be pretty straightforward, once the facilities are in place. The problem is that there are traffic problems round there and that does give CSD legitimate grounds for an objection. Don’t get the transport right and, the consequence is…well, Dublin…
It’s about time that someone from one of the councils stood up and said that Bus Eireann are hampering good planning and balanced development in Cork.
The problem here is that a QBC / Green route was planned from Ballincollig to the city.
The Straight Road was nearly wide enough at it was to allow for a dedicated bus route, and it had great scope to be widened by a few feet at the Lee field side (if needed)
Now the geniuses that run our city allowed for the road to be narrowed, with 10 inch high footpaths on both sides of the road thus ensuring that a bus route cannot run independently of the private traffic without redoing the entire resurfacing job again.
I really wonder would, or could CSD object to the Coca Cola site if any thought was put into proper planning or future public transport?@jungle wrote:
I hate to keep banging on about this, but there’s no city bus service there. That just becomes 120 more cars to add to the traffic mess down there in the morning.
Do you think we’ll ever learn to put in the transport infrastructure first and then put in the developments…
I feel I have been the most outspoken critic of CSD on this website.
As I mentioned in the past, to my horror (at the time), my parents live in Wilton and have supported CSD since they were formed.
I absolutely hate the Victoria Mills complex and feel those responsible for allowing it through planning should be fired and banned from ever working in any planning department again, but I put this white elephant down to a one off mistake.
😮 However I have spent last Friday and today on site in the vicinity of the Kingsley Hotel and to see contractors laying a new road on the Carrighroane Straight that is narrower than the existing road, with no provision for a Green Route / QBC, with this road ripe for high density developments lends me to the opinion that the CSD were right all along and that planning in Cork is now nothing more that a sick joke.@jungle wrote:
I reckon it’s time to sell the airport to the private sector to see what they can manage, because the current system really is not working.
.That is exactly the reason we have the current board of Cork Airport and the controversy regarding the dept.
The private sector would dearly love to snap up the bargain of the century by being able to buy Cork Airport for the bargain basement price of approx 100 million.
The land alone would be worth close on this price, never mind the infrastructure etc.
Some of the multi millionaire Cork property developers that made it by “being in†with the right crowd in City Hall would relish that prospect, now that the property boom has been exposed as an elaborate hoax to suit the chosen few.@panda wrote:
Its an absolute sickner what has happened to Cork Airport in the last year, the board of directors should log on to Ryanair.com and check out Shannons list of destinitions compared to Cork. This year we have to include Cargo flights on Arrivals to make up the blank spaces. Yes the old terminal was smelly and dated but now we are so expensive in our ivory tower that low cost carriers dont bother using the airport.Easy Jet ,BMi and Czech all gone. Aer lingus are back to there old ways at screwing pas during peak times while cutting daily London Flights since last year. What is to happen to the old terminal why not as Ryanair wanted make it there low cost base ,at present its ramp is only serving corporate jets which is great value to the people of Cork who are paying for there new termainal.
Cork Airport is OUR own fault, we re-elected the geniuses (Martin and his sidekick McGrath, Clune and Coveney) that appointed a board that is made up of a stainless steel manufacturer, a travel agent, a philanthropist, a brewer, and a fish exporter.
The Cork mafia and their “yes men†on the airport board will never allow someone with a name like Mick, who does not roll up his trouser legs and donate large amounts of cash to the “right people†open in the old terminal building, I mean goddamit, he might make a profit and show up the Muppets for what they really are.@PTB wrote:
The Enviromental research institute came across awfully in thos photos. It looks like some kind of dilapidated soviet apartment block towards the end of the building.
Another question. Do these buildings go on to the RIBA longlist for the Stirling Prize.?
When the tourists flock in their droves to witness the architectural gems of Cork that have won awards, let’s hope they do not start with that award winning gem our City Manager, Joe Gavin describes as a beautiful “gateway and landmarkâ€:o site into Cork City i.e. Victoria Mills.
If they do I suspect they may jump on our world class public transport system, go to Cork International Airport, use one of the many airbridges to board their transatlantic flight without getting soaked to the skin, and HIGHTAIL it out of here.
p.s. The ERI looks worse in real life, had to go to a meeting there 3 weeks ago…a real eyeopener!:eek:@panda wrote:
Does the fact that residents and city council have kept and maintained the green in bishopstown for more than 35yrs give them possessary title on land?
No way city or ABP will grant anything on site it must be worthless now,no developer will touch it considering local press coverage now.My personal view is that there will be no problem whatsoever in getting permission for this site as the local Councillors are weak, and the Bishopstown Community Association (BCA) are funded through the CCC, so they won’t rock the boat.
If it was in Blackrock, and Cllr. Terry Shannon or Cllr. Denis O’Flynn were keeping watch I would be concerned, the only fly in the ointment here is the Communities for Sustainable Development crowd, or possibly Cllr. Jerry Buttimer (a CSD member anyway), as the GAA has many members in that area.
All the NIMBY’s in that area have large front and back gardens, what they need a green area for is beyond me, unless they need somewhere for their poodles to s*it.SWS property services have but a 3 bed house on 1.6 acres on Bishopstown Road up for sale by tender.
This site is across the road and only 100 meters from Mr. Mark Kelleher’s site where CCC granted permission for a state of the art private hospital.
It is thought that subject to site rezoning, the property could fetch approx 😎 5 million.ABP have approved Frinailla’s plans for the Good Shepard Convent, Sunday’s Well.
Conditions apply but will not be know until tomorrow.Frinailla and Firestone Developments are at it again.
Following both receiving planning for the Dennehy’s Cross and Eden sites respectively, they have yet again applied for “modifications†to their proposals.
It was brought up before on this thread and I will repeat it again, this type of planning application should incur a fee of at least 100,000 euro to ensure applicants / architects get it right first time.
Multiple applications indicate that the original proposal was flawed and justifies the existence of anti apartment groups such as CSD@who_me wrote:
Erm.. Can anyone explain this to me again?
We could invest the money in buses, which are flexible enough that they can be used on other routes as demand merits, whose routes can be extended or changed on a whim, which don’t require the cost of installing and maintaining dedicated lanes/cables, which don’t block the entire system if even one breaks down…
…or we could use trams because they’re pretty. Apart from all the poles and cables we’d need to erect.
I just don’t see a compelling argument for trams, or light rail for that matter.
I can understand your view on trams vs buses, but take the Luas for example;
You are based in some part of Dublin and need to be at a certain place at a certain time, the High Court at 10.30 for example. Would you feel happier looking at the estimated time of arrival (accurate to within 30 seconds 95% of the time) of the Luas to get you there on time…or hope the number 3 bus from Knocknaheeny will arrive within 1 hour of its due time?
Buses without dedicated lanes (not the CCC line on a map type!!) are fine for going on a leisurely picnic and to build some sandcastles on the beach when time is not of the essence.
I would take the car to town and risk clamping or towing to ensure I get to a meeting on time rather than risk our so called public transport in Cork.QUOTE jungle:
“Also, if trams were ever to be brought in, the visual impact of overhead wires needs to be considered. I understand some modern tram systems can operate by charging up in outer suburban areas and then using this to operate the historical core of a city. That should be looked at if a system were to be put in place”.😮 Wires hanging off Joe Gavin’s and that airhead B.G’s folly on Patrick’s Street would help hide those reject scaffold poles that replaced the originals.
Quote Pug:
“off topic but dick roche also gone from cabinet excellent”😡 I am not a Greenie by ANY means, BUT that scumbag “Cock” Roche carried on the great Irish tradition of fucking with the electorate (signing ordres) hours before being told he is surplus to requirements.
(no wonder the guy was hated even by his own FF mafia)@Pug wrote:
various people seem to have access to extracts of the new South Docklands Area Plan, would anyone have a link to it yet? I assume its not yet on general release.
The draft is quite large Pug, four sections;
Strategic Environmental Assessment
Infrastructure Stategy
Public Realm Strategy
Local Area PlanIf you need a part of a section posted, let me know.
