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@POM wrote:
The problem with that kite is that you get a group which seemingly represents the ‘greedy developers’ and thats not a very sympathetic movement. The issue with the height caps is that it isn’t sustainable as a proposal in any event, city management know this. Its legality is questionable and even if it is ratified, it simply means developers are going to lodge plans the same as always, simply using the city council as a novelty stop before forwarding to An Bord Pleanala. All the councillors have done is given An Bord Pleanala more power and their own council less say it what goes on it their community. Despite what lobby groups or city planners campaign, it ultimately hasn’t stopped anything, just made it more inconvenient for everyone involved (including lobby groups who will now obilgatorily have to pay 700 euros everytime they want to lodge an objection as their Cork city council objection won’t matter a penny in the long run).
🙂 Point taken, i suppose you are right…when did the 700 euro charge to go to ABP come into effect? must have missed that one.
pier39 wrote:id have to argue your comment on ms shields but these people put simply are all mad in the head (thats an opinion people!!!)Ok, ill amend my comment on M.S. as she is obviously under the thumb of the CSD crowd along with an alarming number of other city councillors.
I mentioned this before and got no support, but people opposed to this kind of political propaganda should rally together…before these people call all the shots.@ewankennedy wrote:
You can’t enact the policy until it has been ratified and written/worded into the city development plan. Before this can be done the council have to define the suburbs. CSD and their councillors could do with exercising a little patience.
😡 Things just go from bad to worse, along with Cllr.Dennehy’s question for next Monday night Cllr.Mary Shields (who usually is a rock of sense) has a motion before councillors to ban all major development in Bishopstown until the area action plan for the area is completed.
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
this is hilarious
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Warning on high-rise fire hazards
Michael O’ReganHigh-rise buildings could be a fire hazard, John Dennehy (FF, Cork South Central) warned.
Much of the building boom consisted of such developments, he said. “No doubt we have all seen Towering Inferno and said it was a great film, very exciting and so on, but it is only a film. Arising out of that, there are many serious questions. I ask whether, in regard to the county hall in Cork, the trade union building, Liberty Hall, and many other buildings, we have the ability to fight a fire in them. We certainly do not have the fleet of helicopters that were available to the fire chief in the film.”
Mr Dennehy, who was speaking during the resumed debate on the building control Bill, said he was very concerned that commercial arguments would take precedence over fire safety requirements.
Bernard Durkan (FG, Kildare North) said there was a “terrible blight” on modern development. Up to 10 or 15 years ago, the quality of development was exceptionally high. “That is not the case any more. Now we have what is known as the duplex system. This is essentially the construction of one house on top of the other, with an external stairway leading into the upper house.” He said such houses did nothing for the people who lived in them.
Peter Kelly (FF, Longford-Roscommon) said the Bill required that architects be registered. “The public will welcome this, as I do.”
🙁 Jumping on daddys bandwagon Dennehy Jnr. Cllr.Fergal has a question before city manager Mr.Joe Gavin for Monday night asking why planning permission was granted to Frinaillas Dennehys Cross development after they (councillors) voted for a height cap. This follows csd members meeting with some councillors in City hall this week looking again for a section 140.
Just who is running the city, councillors OR csd?@Maskhadov wrote:
I think Smithfield looks great. I just wish that the buildings on the right and the very end could be knocked down and built in line with the new development. We have enough of Georgian in the city.
😮 Something needs knocking !!, i would agree with you Maskhadov, but for city planners to allow the left and right of your photoghaph to live in “harmony” is a joke?
@dowlingm wrote:
but that’s the point pier39. Just because county hall is there doesn’t mean fire cover is too – the CC/Corpo *may* be in breach of their obligations. If they are, it could stymie development across the city.
😎 Thats absolutely right dowlingm, the County Hall was built in a time that an outside toilet and cut up newspaper to wipe the necessary was a luxury, if some unfortunate got injured or burnt to death in that building(County Hall) then it was but down as an act of God….now with people getting 500,000 grand for breaking a fingernail !!…like Bob Dillon said, “The times they are ‘a changing”
@pier39 wrote:
utter rubbish. county hall has been around for years. liberty hall, victoria house among others. scare mongering topsoil. why beat around the bush the group is csd. kite what are your feelings on the group?
😉 Now, now ladies put your handbags away, my feelings for the CSD group should be clear from my past posts. I keep an eye on what they are up to on a regular basis (as i do with many other groups), ignore them at your peril?
I read the csd objection in Navigation House with regard to the Crows Nest development, height/fire requirements were an issue in their submission.
Who was it said about keeping your friends close and your enemies closer??
Don’t shoot the messenger pier 39, otherwise we will be playing into their hands.@dowlingm wrote:
Re: the John Dennehy quote
While expressed in a rather dumb fashion it is an interesting question – does Cork have adequate fire cover for buildings of county hall size. One would think they do, and if so it removes that issue from the hands of the NIMBYs…
:confused: My understanding of this matter is that ONE of the reasons the Crows Nest decision has been kicked to touch is that one group that made a submission on that project raised this issue, and asked if planners should be sued if somebody was killed or injured in a fire above the current limits of the Cork fire service.
New art space wins Cork competition
The Irish TimesA mirrored box made from reinforced plastic has been chosen as the winner of Cork City Council’s design ideas competition for a mobile performance and exhibition space. Designed by Peter Feeny Architects and 3P Urban Process, London, it was described by the competition jury as “a very elegant proposition” that would cost no more than €750,000 to build. Seventy-three entries were received for the competition, run by the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland. The runners-up were Murray O’Laoire and O’Mahony Pike.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/0220/4119500390HM2ARTINBOX.html
@daniel_7 wrote:
any chance you could get these pics up?anyone have contact detils for the planning office,are they allowed send you out planning applications?
CCC, planning dept. can be contacted at Navigation House, Albert Quay, phone 021 4966222, email planning@corkcity.ie. I think photocopys cost about 20 cent per page
@altuistic wrote:
I dont know if I would say that. I personally feel the Dennehys Cross design looks very well. Its sharp angular profile looks most well, very defined. The Sherphers convent look seems very slight. I would have reservations about the wooden finish. If its a case of the timber greying or discolouring in the most awful manner like that thing next to Dunnes in Bishopstown i would stress for some sort of condition to maintain its upkeep.
:confused: I take your point about that shambles next to Dunnes in Bishopstown, the reason that type of cladding was allowed at the time is that it would be maintainance free..bleech with the sun ect.ect…how wrong can you be?
For Joe Gavin to call this one of the “finest” buildings in Cork says a lot?.. anybody got photos of Galway when this gent was running that town?Sorry for the edit, no photos, but thanks to Kevin for the following newspaper articles…
Spiralling costs and no end in sight to the Eyre Square nightmare
The Irish Times“Fallujah square”, as Galway’s city centre is sometimes called these days, has been dogged by controversy since plans for its latest redesign were presented to city councillors in January 1999. As one angry businessman remarked yesterday, the siege-like sandbags around its 17th century Browne doorway in the middle of the square,”say it all”. A local councillor has remarked that the Eiffel Tower in Paris was built at a faster rate. At the time, former city manager Joe Gavin was very enthusiastic about transforming Galway’s city centre, which was once a medieval jousting ground and market, hosted US president John F. Kennedy’s historic visit, and was last redesigned in the 1960s. The distinctive limestone figure of writer P
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Regarding The Good Shepherd Convent,
I’d like to see how the new buildings relate to the old ones from a distance, e.g. Mardyke Walk or UCC campus. The new developemnt looks nice and stylish- it’s is their positioning with respect to the Convent buildings themselves which will be the important factor.The views you suggest would be a factor. The design looks great to me..so much better than the albeit acceptable design of Friniallas proposal for Dennehy’s Cross. Are the same architects involved in both?
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
this is hilarious
:confused: Ah now, you must be taking the pi**. Did J.Dennehy really say that? Is it in any of the papers?
The Denouncer wrote:http://www.breakingnews.ie/2006/02/16/story244918.htmlThe Government is reportedly due to publish planned new legislation today aimed at fast-tracking major infrastructure projects.
Reports this morning said the legislation would allow developers of schemes such as incinerators, roads and airport facilities to bypass the local authority planning process.
Instead, they would have to lodge planning applications with a new division of An Bord Pleanála that would deal exclusively with such developments.
Environment groups and heritage campaigners have already expressed concern about the proposed law, which they believe would be used to force through unsuitable and controversial infrastructure schemes.
😎 No harm to bypass the whingers and go directly to ABP.
If the Government would increase the appeal fee to 2000 euro instead of the current 210 it would help development in this Country..😮 Fine Gaels Jerry Buttimer is living up to his reputation as an “imformed” city father in today’s Cork Independent, calling the planning approval of one bed student apts. on the Dennehys Cross garage site outrageous.
Somebody in the Fine Gael party should really have a word in his ear before he causes anymore embarrassment to Cork. The Dennehy’s development is going to be 1-3 bed private Apts. councillor.@lexington wrote:
Today seems to warrant a few updates. A nice surprise is scheduled for the end of the week.
Lex
🙂 There is speculation (and I note that word) that developer Joe McCarthy, who was involved in the realisation of Eden Hall student complex along the Model Farm Road with partner David Corr, has acquired a further site nearby the said development – formerly used to house dis-used cars among other items – and is designing plans on the land for a further development. Although the nature of the development has yet to be established, it could well be residential given its proximity to nearby properties. This news is unconfirmed, but worth noting.
😉 Ahhh dont hint at future surprises and keep us guessing (today is only Wens. after all !!)
Would the McCarthy and Corr site be the same one that was (is) owned by Bernard Crowley that is with ABP at the moment ?
Thanks again Lex for being first with the news.Radioactiveman wrote:Tomorrow will be a big day for Frinailla and Dennehy’s Cross, with the development at Dennehy’s Cross Bar up for decision at CCC level.There are a large number of submissions regarding this development, including one on behalf of a lobby group which has been active in the area for a numebr of years and would seek to limit the height of new developments in the area. The south western regional fisheries have also made a submission, as have a large numebr of residents.
🙂 According to the CSD website http://www.corksouthwest.com Frinailla have got permission for this development.
I dont know where they got the information or how true is is, if it is true im sure this will not go forward without appeal to ABP@A-ha wrote:
When is Eglington Street due for completion? I can’t wait to see the finished product, but don’t have a clue when it’s supposed to be done. Also, when is the Kinsale Rd. roundabout flyover meant to be finished? They have made alot of progress over the last few weeks, I presume it’s on schedule.
:rolleyes: The Kinsale Road roundabout flyover is due to be operational way ahead of schedule (March-April 2006) but the official opening will not happen until the boss from Dublin desides that the best photo opportunity presents itself..(2007 election and all that bullshite)
@jimg wrote:
35m tall? It’s a good thing that the monks didn’t leave one around the docklands in Dublin. It would have been a permanent blot on the skyline, would have towered over neighbouring buildings and would have deprived the streets of light. A 1000 years ago they were building these structures while the showpiece of modern Ireland, the IFSC – developed under the guidance of the DDDA, consists mostly of buildings about half this height.
😮 It’s not all about height jimg, CLASS has to come into the equation as well.
A large square box does not do it for me.@magicbastarder wrote:
i’m just thinking of all the bemused pedestrians wandering past people taking photos of footpaths.
also, yesterday morning, there were workmen going at the new cobbles on o’connell street, near hamilton long, with a jackhammer.😡 Somebody REALLY should be sent to prison for this type of vandalisn…or at least lose their job and be exposed as the culprit.
