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@kesey wrote:
kite, as Franailla are being taken to An Bord Pleanala they are shanghied for the duration anyway. They have little to lose, and a lot to gain, by attempting to get their abducted floor back.
More power to them sez me, they put a nice plan together in Dennehys Cross.:)
😎 Yes, the Frinailla proposal is good enough for all except those NIMBY’s in Bishopstown.
Objectors to Frinailla’s Dennehy’s Cross plan are Communities for sustainable development, E.St.Ledger, D. Kidney, and Frinailla themselves ?
Why would Frinailla go to ABP, they were only reduced by 1 floor.@pier39 wrote:
the level of activity in the docklands remains below its potential. i can think of only a few schemes like water st, nat ross, centre park road and maybe eglinton st if ya consider that docklands. horgans qy is an ongoing saga so im not even counting that til i see an application in the planning office. as for the masterplan the council are long overdue on the south docks plan and published the north area plan with 3 apps already in or pending (applications which took up the bulk of the north quays). i think these plans are nice guidelines and good to have but dont think everything should be pent up while the council procrastinate on getting details together. the docklands will require thought and time but it also needs points of encouragement, the sort howard have provided with lapps qy. to think all progress should be put on ice until the council finally decide on a masterplan wont help the city.
as for the event centre, putting it on horgans qy is a bit like trying to shove brick through a keyhole. it should be in the docklands but i dont know if longterm this is the place for it.
😮 Yes, i take your point, i don’t blame the stakeholders of the docklands for pushing development, i would lay ALL the blame with CCC who should have had a plan in place in 1999, now with piecemeal development being allowed they will be scraching their heads in a few years time wondering how they are going to make “all the dots join up”??
@daniel_7 wrote:
i recently heard again that the city council is pushing for an events centre to be built at horgans quay and i was just wondering does anyone know why they are pushing for this site when they have much better options open to them.there is mahon point where they might be holding out for payments due to them if it is not built there which is fair enough but there is also the showgrounds and curraheen which are much better sites for access purposes and for the good of the development for the city aswell.when this centre is to be built it really has to have a capacity of at least 6000 – 10000 and it doesnt look like the city councils choosen site can accomodate this so why are they still pushing it?this really has to be acted on as soon as possible as there is talk of limerick building such a centre aswell and i really think cork has to get there first and curraheen seems to be the best option for the city where the builders are offering to build the centre in exchange for the showgrounds land which they would then use to kick start the docklands regeneration and would also probably come to an agreement with the gaa for the redevelopment of pairc ui coimh which otherwise doesnt look like happening and this would also be a big benefit to the city as it is needed aswell.
My tuppence worth on the event centre is that the docklands would be the most suitable site, however, the city council seem to be allowing piecemeal applications for development in the docklands without having any masterplan in place.
This type of approach will net the city a large amount of cash in development fees but will be of little value to the city in the long term.@ewankennedy wrote:
So all in all whats the general verdict? Good, bad, needs some revision??
🙂 The Patrick Street facade should get another look.
9 storeys seems a little high but as someone said yesterday,”the top 2 floors look like they were added to be removed on appeal” otherwise the proposal looks great to me.@POM wrote:
I was sitting in traffic today at Victoria Cross (surprise surprise) and looked over at those architectural ambominations rising up on the south side of the junction. It struck me that the city council cause more grief for themselves by granting these half hearted renditions. The extension to Victoria Mills is finished with the mostly dire coat of brown brick. Perhaps the idea was to cause variation in the building line but instead it utterly clashes. It would have been even somewhat less destructive were it to maintain the material finish of the first phase of the student development. What gets me is that by allowing this kind of junk go up it is only giving groups like that CSD crowd fuel for their fire and subsequently they go on the rampage which puts genuinely good designs like that at Victoria Cross and Dennehy’s Cross in the red. The council then have to deal with opportunist councillors riding the wave of ‘disapproval’ and create more grief for themselves in the long run…when all they had to do in the beginning was demand better. Yeah yeah yeah Victoria Mills may be good structurally and all that, I get it, but it is a faceless brick all the same. And its extension is worse. Its as if the architect sought to diminish the impact of the first section by devising a ghastlier addition to take away the attention. A 9 storey building is fine for the Victoria Mills location but it comes down to the design. Maybe the council, who as far as I know indicated their preference for the original Victoria Mills design, should revise their concept of good design. Bertie Pope’s design for Flemings next door isn’t all that better. Its a pity the good development like those proposed by Frinilla and that one across the road from Dennehys Cross are jeporadised by the mistakes of others and give lobbyists something to lobby about. Secretly they must be delighted.
😮 ABSOLUTELY right in everything you say POM, and for Architects to give VM an award is an insult to all, like you said CSD must be delighted.
@POM wrote:
Not really. Blackrock had an action plan for its harbour. Blackpool had one too. I don’t see any harm in an action plan, its formulation isn’t a blueprint according to lobbyists. The plan will be assessing sectors of the Bishopstown area and devising the best framework for each.
No city councilor in Blackrock or Blackpool as far as i am aware has called for a TOTAL ban on major developments in their area like Mary Shields FF (Bishopstown) has until the area plan is in place..brought about no doubt by the CSD and the unfair pressure the put on councilors of their area by the website they set up?, see what you think yourself, they can be found on http://www.corksouthwest.com
Update 7-3-06: on this matter the IE have an article in todays paper http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sgXymJGTRSdVUsglO-LCk0lQvU.asp
😎 Cork City Council today have launched notice of their formulation of a Bishopstown-Wilton Area Action Plan. The plan will be open for public consultation at Wilton Shopping Centre on Tuesday 14th March between 3 p.m. – 8 p.m. and Wednesday 15th March between 3 p.m. – 8 p.m.[/QUOTE]
:confused: Is this a good or bad idea?, does this mean that the CSD group are now getting a payoff in the way of an action plan for Bishopstown? Is all the bull and cribbing about development that this crowd but out out over the past few years now paying off?
@Micko wrote:
Might start a high rise trend for McCurtain Street. I doubt think it actually looks that bad. Especially compared to the appartments at Victoria Cross.
I would agree that the design does not look too bad BUT i don’t think any proposal for this prominent site should be just ok, it should be exceptional, otherwise we will be going down the route of Merchants Quay, ie “Its a slight improvement on what is already there so let’s go for it”
@Maskhadov wrote:
what is the appeal for ? the apartments look good to me
🙂 Frinaillas design for Dennehy’s Cross does look good although their proposals for the former convent site in Sundays Well seem to be far superior.
One question, the Echo had a story last week that the CCC decision to grant on the Dennehy site has been referred / reported to the Enviornment Minister. Will / can, this delay the ABP outcome?@ewankennedy wrote:
:p Thanks PTB but the Grand parade plaza is the Frinilla scheme there near the monument, the old Grand parade hotel…they demolished it put up boardings and sold the apartments, excavated the site and a year later and nothing is happening!!!!! I know they bought the pub next to them to increase the size of the scheme but ya’d still think they’d have started some building work by now.
🙂 City Manager Joe Gavin has plans for the city library on the Grand Parade as reported in the Examiner last week that could tie in nicely with the Frinilla project. If they are in the running to take over the library it would make sense to hold off on development on GP until then.
@ewankennedy wrote:
So what developments are you most looking forward to seeing being built in Cork??
I’d have to say
1. Horgans quay
2. The Treasury
3. Eglinton street
4. Cornmarket street
5. Grand parade plaza (if they ever decide to build it!! must be months overdue at this stage)🙂 Mine would be
1.Eglinton St.
2.Docklands
3. Custom House Quay
4.Grand Parade
5. Lee BoardwalkI think part of the purpose of the Good Shepherds design is not to overwhelm or detract from the historic convent buildings. In this sense, the design is actually a most considered design – it recognises its relation to the George Ashlin buildings and rather than make a bold, loud statement which tries to compete with the convent structures, it takes a more humble, simplistic note while utilising little touches here and there to assert its own innovation.
More exciting news expected before the weekend. All going well.[/QUOTE]🙂 The images of the Good Shepherds look great to me (an non professional)…….what about that exciting news Lex? i need to get to sleep, it is the weekend after all!
@altuistic wrote:
I’m glad you have resolved your exchange however i feel the articulation of both your points are disappointing and you have done neither yourselves nor the forums any justice.
😮 You are right, sorry but today just got to me.
@A-ha wrote:
k, i’ll shud up now if you do, lol. just realise that what you said was abit OTT.
😀 Ok, read my first post again when you have time (carefully) until then “Truce” ok?
@A-ha wrote:
Don’t worry, I’ll call the ambulance when you jump from the Ha’penny. But was there really a need to call them Retarded Nazis? I mean…. you’re being prejudice against like a thousand different cultures just by saying that one word, not just the Orangemen or the families of IRA victims. It’s over the top and totally unacceptable, I hope someone will remove what you said before any more people read it.
Look A-ha a lot of people got a mad rush of blood to the head with what happened in Dublin today… I referred to the retards in EAST (loyalist) and West (Rep) Belfast…I just wish all those “RETARDS” would get a life (excuse the PUN) and let the normal people get on with living in the real world.
@A-ha wrote:
Kite, I would watch what you are saying if I were you and turn up the volume in your t.v. Clearly you didn’t hear on the news that it was the Irish “Nationalists” , Sinn Fein and the like that were the obvious trouble makers. You musn’t have a clue what goes on in the world. You call people Nazis just for having an opinion…. you should be thrown into jail and beaten for saying a thing like that! You definetly got the whole “fu*king mad as hell” thing right, but I trust you were referring to your lack of sanity rather than rage. Don’t be so racist in the future, because it doesn’t suit you, oh and here it comes…. my baby hissy fit, NAH NAH YOU’RE THE RETARD! Also, this Love Ulster thing had no intention of destroying Dublin…. all they did today was sit in a bus while “our” dopes caused the damage. So next time Kite, think before you type, before you get it all wrong again. I hate bragging about all these political things, they really don’t belong in a site like this, but as soon as I saw your post Kite, I just had to reply. Also, nothing to do with your post, but the images on tv….. am I the only person that thinks it is a scene from Baghdad or some other city in Iraq. This cannot be good for tourism and we’ve just set ourself back 20 years.
😉 I don’t give a shit for the oranges OR the greens in that shambles that happened in Dublin today, i just wish they and any other BLIND toerag that can’t take free speech (ring any bells A-hol*) would go and drown themselfs in the Liffey
@POM wrote:
Some of our councillors seriously need a past-time…badminton perhaps?
😀 Yep, knitting, bridge, or licking envelopes (brown ones!!) are pass times that also spring to mind?
@The Denouncer wrote:
I felt sick as news filtered through about this. How many of these Irish scumbags have no pride in their capital city? Looking at it on the News I felt embarrassed and resigned that so many fools, so many troublemakers walk amongst us. Thicks. No political knowledge, no interest in the city, no interest in anything. All they know is how to smash things, break things, burn things, rob things. Brainless scum makes me embarassed to be Irish. I hate them. 😡
😡 Scumbags from both sides… let them love Ulster up in East and West Belfast where those RETARDS belong….F**k our do gooder Government for letting those Nazis to come here to give “our” dopes a reason for destroying Dublin. Im Fuck**g mad as hell.
Following on DTZ Pieda Consulting appointment to undertake an economic study for the docklands Cllr.Colm Burke (FG) has a motion before councilors as follows;
“In view of the fact that UCC are planning to increase the number of students attending the collage from 15,000 to 21,000 that CCC should not grant any further planning permission in the Collage Road / Western Road area, and that all future development at the collage should be in the Docklands area of the city” (motion 14.16)
Will this provide the kickstart the docklands needs?Some southside councillors are said to be considering putting a motion of “No Confidence” against city manager Joe Gavin on Monday 13th March if he fails to act on the height cap motion passed by city council last year. The motion may not go ahead however if the group does not get the support of two of the “anti high-rise councilors” David McCarthy and Jerry Buttimer who are opposed to such a motion.
