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Participant@GregF wrote:
Saw on the paper that Eyre Square is to finally reopen tomorrow after the long debacle. Any proud Galwegians got any photos of it. Whats the opinion on the new look?
😮 I wonder if the former City Manager, Mr.Joe Gavin walked in Eyre Square next week, would the people shake his hand or try to hang him from the nearest tree,,if there are any trees left??
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Participant:confused: Would somebody be able to cllear this up once and for all, Eoin English reports in todays IE that Cllr.Dave McCarthy stormed out of last nights CCC meeting following a row with the Manager over the amendment of the height cap vote. Cllr. Mary Shields, according to Mr.English then got a motion passed “freezing” all planning in Bishopstown, Wilton, and Dennehys Cross until the bishopstown area plan is in place.
Q: IF one applied for planning now and it was not dealt with by CCC planners because of the Cllr.Shields motion, could one SUE either the Councillor herself or the City Council as a whole?
Surely people can expect to apply for planning allowed under the City Development Plan as it stands?kite
Participant😮 Further to the high rise cap (crap) motion proposed by Cllr.D. McCarthy and passed by councilors last year, the CCC meeting next Monday evening is set to have the Manager asked when he proposes to implement this vote. (Cllr. David McCarthy)
To add to this madness Cllr. M.Shields is calling for a vote for a “Material Contravention to the City development Plan to effect that all Planning applications for apartments over 3 storeys to be refused planning permission†(Motion 06/180)
Cllr’s. Buttimer & Bermingham have put a motion before CCC for next Monday to alter the City Development Plan to include the wording of the City Manager as stated at the CCC meeting of 27/3/06 re “the building of apartments over 3 floors within residential areas not receive planning from CCC plannersâ€.
Cllr.â€Merry†Buttimer is asking if Mr.Mark Kelleher is going to be penalized for not complying with planning conditions. (Catherham, Wilton)
🙂 On a positive note Cllr. T. O’Driscoll has a motion to “That CCC calls to develop a light rail system between Ballincollig and the City Centre†(06/87)
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Participant@Thomond Park wrote:
Outright bans never work
unfortunately many politicians have realised that nimby = votes and some very ill considered positions emerge as a result. Whilst not all areas are suitable for even mid-rise buildings other locations are very well suited to tall buildings such as the docklands.
😎 Right on the button Thomond Park, hopefully CCC will come out with a well balanced suitable plan for the docklands.
If CCC admitted that they made a HUGE mistake in giving the likes of the Victoria Mills permission it would take a lot of steam out of this whole anti rise thing. Unfortunately CCC insistance in describing VM as a “landmark gateway” building is only adding fuel to the fire!!kite
Participant@pier39 wrote:
id hardly give them that much credit. what the seem not to understand is planning applications made prior to their motions and bishopstown area plan have to be considered with respect to the time of their planning lodgement. if a new plan or motion is proposed in the time following it has no legal grounds. their complaints on the dennehys cross plan being granted are invalid. the application came before their illegal motion.
🙁 Tonights Echo reports that Cllr. Bermingham FG. PD, or whatever banner he now goes under has joined the growing list of anti high rise muppets, a question to J.Gavin (city manager) for next weeks CCC meeting will demand he puts the height cap in place.
Its all very well saying not to give the csd any credit but they are getting councilors on board on a daily basis and getting money from the likes of my parents who live in the area despite my objections to them.kite
Participant@pier39 wrote:
thats rubbish…not your post, the action. they have no more rights than the next man on the street. the further information was printed in the press and given the same length of submission period as any other application. if the group werent quick enough off the mark to lodge a submission thats their own fault. maybe i should do the same everytime im late making a submission.
:confused: I agree, my parents are living in Wilton and are on the CSDs mailing list. They showed me the letter CSD got from Ann Bogan (CSD emailed it to people on their list) it seems from what the letter said that the Planning Dept. agreed that the time limit was not what should have been allowed under the Planning Act.
The submission they made regarding the Bishopstown-Wilton Area Plan is posted on their website, these guys are really overstepping the mark. The submission can be found on http://www.corksouthwest.comkite
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Northern Elevation of the Original Redevelopment Plan.
(Quote.Lexington)
Following lodgement, 7 objections and 1 submission were marked on the original application. Now with the submission date for the Revised Plans closed – only 1 new objection was issued against the significantly reduced and amended scheme.
😉 I was going to note the Frinailla Victoria Cross update but kite beat me to it! :p
[/QUOTE]🙁 Assistant Director of Planning Services AnnBogan has extended the date for further submissions to 13th April following a legal tussle with the CSD group who cried foul in relation to their rights under the P&D Act 2000
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ParticipantAn Bord Pleanala have defered making a decision on the Frinailla heating and plumbing site Victoria Cross Road, they now hope to determine the appeal before 10th May.
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Participant@malec wrote:
I have to say I’m not impressed at all by the new developments getting built around the city hall. I find the Albert Quay Webworks building looks a lot cheaper than I thought it would seeing those renderings. Also that new city hall extension is terrible. I thought it would look better once the glass was in place but was disappointed. I think the problem is the top of the concrete part. If they could knock off say, 3 metres off the top it would be fine. It’s just that concrete top makes it look unbalanced, also it can be seen sticking out over the city hall from the other side of the river. I’m still hopeful it’ll look better when fully complete but have my doubts.
I hope the eglinton st tower will provide a huge improvement over the existing crap. The renders look great for it although I don’t think I should raise my hopes too much.
😮 I agree, have we really learnt nothing in the 30 years since Connelly Hall was built?
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Participant@jungle wrote:
I hate to take away from Lex’s thought provoking post there, but I’d like to make a further point on CIE.
They are currently sitting on a pretty large, central site in the form of Capwell Rd bus depot. Selling this could free up valuable land close to the centre of Cork, enable them to move the bus depot to a more suitable location and the spare cash could be invested in renewing and expanding the city bus fleet.
😎 Too right, it makes no sense to have the depot on Capwell Road. CIE also need to take stock of their City Centre site that Joe Gavin rightly wants to turn into a conference centre.
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ParticipantCork Expo 2010
The word ‘expo’ rings alarm bells in my head whenever I hear it… Thoughts of Hanover 2000 (which left its organisers and promoters [and ultimately the German taxpayer] $1billion dollars in debt) or even the recent Aichi Expo of 2005 don’t seem to sit well. Of course, an Expo on Urban Living in Cork is not going to be a World Expo type affair – but that is not to say it doesn’t carry risks, any investment venture does… City Manager Joe Gavin has cited a focus on the docklands for the Urban Living Expo – indeed the prospect of an expo and its associated revenue generation could be a most enticing catalyst for movement on many aspects of the docklands – this is fine, in principle:……….
😮 No worries Lex, Mr Gavin gave city councilors a half line mombo jumbo on spending 230,000,000 last year, im sure he could justify 1 billion without breaking a sweat??
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Participant@Saucy Jack wrote:
Absolutely spot on there – poor representation by all of our elected representatives in Cork.
Opera House unfinished interior etc lack of central government funding ?
Cork 2005 lack of central government funding.
Bus station waste of money.
Kent station – massive potential just sitting there.
Cork Airport – 1 airbridge.
Cork Airport 160million start off debt.
School of music via an taisce delays and funding issues.
Kinsale Road flyover etc delays.In another year they will be bothering us for votes again
😮 And to top it all off the councilors in Cork now propose to force the manager to enforce the CSD / Shields / McCarthy / Buttimer etc,etc, height cap ban…so back to tached cottages and dancing at the crossroads eh ??
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Participant@theblimp wrote:
Even though I’m living in the Ballincollig area it was only today that I passed in the Carrigrohane Road for the first time in ages (usually take the link roads). As a result of this journey I found meself nearly crashing into the Statoil on said road when I first caught sight of the extension to the Kingsley Hotel. Jaysus did they knock that one out while the planners weren’t looking or wha?
Western elevation looks lilke several, poorly designed, blocks of flats, with zero character and little sympathy/understanding of the fact that this is the first building on that side of the road marking an arrival into Cork (boundaries not withstanding). With the Lee Fields just before it, it’s likely to remain that way, so surely there was an opportunity to make a ‘statement’. Likewise with the northern elevation – larger windows but again feckin boxy. At least it beats the southern elevation which has nothing at all!!
Between this and the wonderful Victoria Cross mess, this whole area is starting to look like the land that design forgot, and it’s little reason that the locals are up in arms about further developments if this is what is being touted as contemporary architecture. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all against the anti-high-rise shower, but developers are doing themselves few favours by releasing this type of awfulness on the area.
Disgusted? – I should feckin’ coco 😡
ps – gone a little quiet in here again, hasn’t it?
😮 That Kingsley extention is a joke like a disease carried on from the most revolting building in Cork (Victoria Mills), when the Kingsley look for the 5 star rating they want i hope they are told where to jump.
Any wonder worthwhile projects like Dennehys is dragged down when junk like that is allowedkite
Participant@Devin wrote:
You don’t need planning permission for a new shop if there’s already been a shop there, but you do for new signage or alterations to the shopfront. So what people are doing is they’re opening a shop, putting up new signage, then either appying for retention or leaving it there as long as they can possibly get away with.
The council need to get really tough on this sort of thing or else the ambience of the city centre is going to go down the toilet.
😡 Disgusting shop front. If these muppets are operating without permission can the City Council just go in and shut it down?
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Participant@phil wrote:
Are you referring to deeds done in the not so distant past (ie, 20 or 30 years ago) or more recently?
😮 Underhand deals that are still going on today im afraid, its after taking 20 – 30 years to get the past generation of gangsters to Dublin Castle where most come out laughing at joe and joan public. It may very well be another 20 years before we can bring the present jokers to book.
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Participantctesiphon wrote:But if it’s the truth, why can’t you say it now?;) I guess you want to eat lunch in your town for some time to come.
😮 Why??, do the sayings, “Mafia, sleeping with the fishes, an offer you can’t refuse, brown envelopes,FF, FG, etc,etc explain WHY????kite
Participant@GregF wrote:
Ah yes ……that was the bloke who butchered parts of Dublin city so as he could line his pockets.
😀 I should not say this, but, the time will come in Cork when some of our gangsters will “pass on” and we will be able to speak the truth without being sued!!
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Participant@d_d_dallas wrote:
kite,
eden is just a pretentiously named collection of semi-d’s and duplexs on the grounds of the Ursuline ConventThanks d-d-dallas, if they are building on the grounds what is to become of the main building?
Was the building always a Convent?, it has the look of a former stately home.kite
Participant😎 Help please…what is the Eden development going on in Blackrock and what was that stunning looking building before being redeveloped?
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Participant@altuistic wrote:
I attended the public presentation of the Bishopstown development plan submissions session at Wilton shopping centre over the week. My main point to them was, as a resident, Ive no real problems with areas along the Victoria Cross Road been suitably redeveloped. As it is theres a pattern emerging and much of what these new buildings are replacing are horrible old industrial sites anyway. Ive lost faith in the logic or reasoning of these resident groups that supposedly represent my areas interest. So i put it to them straight, I’m not going to fight for something thats needed. All i want from the corporation is the promise to protect the established areas like Model Farm Road and Wilton Road and i would like to see the formation of a new heart to the area. There really is none at the moment and i would like to see a pedestrian friendly town centre with a nice selection of shops, things like a nice small hotel or a theatre and more nicely cared for parks. Something like that. Theres too muc dependency on cars in the area. Id like to see some sort of rail system or a dedicated bus route (preferably an ecofriendly bus service). The area should be safe and easy for elderly and children a like.
I attended this meeting with my parents who live in Wilton.Despite my advice to them they are still 100% behind the CSD group in the area.However,reading the Echo last week it seems that the local councilors have returned to the saftey of the Bishopstown Community Association (BCA) where hopefully they will be less likely to come out spouting anti high rise rubbish.
The CCC should use the opportunity of this local area plan to sideline the CSD and work with the BCA who would be less likely to start screaming and roaring every time a block of apartments is proposed.- AuthorPosts
