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Has Derek Tynans Victoria cross scheme upset everybody in the area ?๐ The answer to your question would seem to be YES..
The draft plan for Wilton/Bishopstown identifies high rise and a town centre for the area as the main issues submitted by the 64 groups, residents,etc.Thomond Park wrote:So why move everything around if it has such a small population]๐ฎ Too right, moving the Dept. of Agriculture staff from Cork to Macroom under the mask of decentralisation is nothing more than freeing up land for the FF mafia to make more millions.
All the better to stuff into those brown paper bags my friend??@Radioactiveman wrote:
Since it’s a Friday afternoon and i’m attempting to stay in a positive frame of mind, I won’t go on and on about this, but I have to echo most of the points raised by lexington. Simply put, a huge amount of property owners and users in this city down give a s**t what people think of them and their property. Even if you’re living/working in a dump, you should try to make the outside look respectable..it shows respect for your neighbours and yourself. I’ve often avoided/boycotted shops/bars/restaurants , etc. which dont look after their exterior and erect crappy signage without permission– i know, its hardly likely to make a big difference, but it makes me feel a teeny bit better of a friday afternoon.
๐ I tried to think of putting my feelings on Lex’s post into words but could not come up with anything appropriate….you put the words i was looking for in your post RM, well said.
๐ฎ I was amazed to hear that the rental income to CCC for the English Market last year was 70,000 euro (TOTAL) while the CCC’s bill for painting the market alone was 72,000 euro for the same peroid.
There are many units in the market than need to be subsidized, but there are also multi millionairess that should pay a fair rent. Joe Gavin is right to play hardball with some of these guys.
p.s. Any news of Frinaillas Dennehys heating store on Victoria Cross Road?lexington wrote:๐ Sean Keohane’s Grangefield Developments have withdrawn their ambitious waterfront scheme on an assembled site by Blackrock Village. The attractively designed project, by architects James Leahy & Associates, sought permission to develop 119 residential units over basement parking on site – which was to include the premises of the Cork Boat Club and a reclaimed area of 1,954sq m. As part of the proposal, Cork Boat Club were to attain a striking and much needed new clubhouse with gangway and boating facilities – a boardwalk with public access was earmarked to wrap around the riverside perimeter of the proposal, taking full advantage of the waterfront location. A decision on the project, which was lodged on December 5th 2005, had been scheduled for May 7th 2006 – the application had received 37 submissions, and had been extended to accommodate to accommodate further discussions with the planning authority. Consequent of these discussions, the application has been withdrawn in light of the prospect of a refusal. Rather than endure this, it is believed the scheme will undergo revision.๐ก What a pity that proposal was withdrawn, it would have complimented the Blackrock Develoment Plan.
On another topic Lex, is the old fruit and veg Co. on Kyrls Quay part of the plan for that area?@StephenC wrote:
Dreadful news…but hey bad decisions are being made in the Planning Dept everyday! What harm can another one do. Still at least the shite on top will be constructed under the watchful eye of a “conservation architect”, which is good news.
๐ฎ I agree StephenC, its amazing what damage we have acheived to our build environment over the past few years..Give a muppet loads of money and you come up with David Beckham type class ??
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Crows nest is a very dissappointing decision. The fact that the ‘tower’ went from 15 storeys to 6 storeys is an indication of how unsuitable this development was for the site, and how planners recognised this. Unfortunately, the planners did not have the balls to reject the development in its entirety and instead imposed ridiculous conditions. The site would have been much better served had the Crow’s nest pub building and the terrace of houses to the west been refurbished and left as they were. It will be interesting to see how this does when it goes to appeal- something which must be an inevitability!
:confused: How many of the proposed 74 Apts. are going to be lost due to the CCC conditions?
The CCC website does not say.Devin wrote:
Here are the Grand Canal Street (Hogan Place) buildings before & after. Seeing as they were mostly unoccupied and in poor condition and located in a prime commercial area it was always going to be complete demolition or else this. Iรขโฌโขm surprised even the trouble was taken to keep the fronts in this case. (Better buildings in Dublin have been completely demolished.)
In situations like these you are not retaining the buildings as such]
:eek:…..and you can always take that SH*_E off the roof in a couple of years time when people with some brains get jobs in Dublin’s Planning Dept.??
@Pug wrote:
excellent, good to see buildings of that size, hopefully it will look better than Victoria Cross – CSD will go nuts.
๐ Im not so sure if CSD will be going nuts Pug, reading the conditions attached to the Crows Nest on the CCC website just now, i really NEVER saw such ridiculous conditions attached to any other planning proposal.
Christ, if Mr. O’Connor, and Kennedy want to scrach their ass on this one they need seperate planning.
I for one hope the developers take this to ABP.@ewankennedy wrote:
The problem is there are no ‘buildings of that size’ going in. At 6 storeys it’ll be just the same as everything else in the area. I wasnt for the original building and even the revised plan wasnt an ideal but at least a little bit of height, even at the 8 storeys would have given a bit of variety to heights or even complimented the 9 storey Victoria mills building to some extent. Now we just get a repeat of everything else. From the ground 6 storeys will block views from Victoria cross to County hall in any event. Given that, they might have as well left the extra 2 floors and given some variety to the area. It still wouldnt have affected the long distance views that given County hall its presence. Evenso the design above the 2nd floor facing Victoria cross did nothing for me. Seems like ridiculous conditioning. If you’re going to knock that much off you may as well just refuse it. Another Water street type scenario.
๐ 8-10 storeys with a nice design would be good for this area. Like you say, every building being approx the same height is not going to be very pleasing to the eye.
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Traffic figures for March 2006, show that Archiseek.com is busier than ever. Total page views was…. drumroll… 1,954,813 page views…..
๐ Congratulations, that is SOME achievment
@ewankennedy wrote:
No kite I mean the site next to Top car motors. The prices go up to 695,000 euros for a 2 bedroom penthouse and around 420,000 for a standard 2 bedroom and prices dont include a parking space which are selling for 45,000 euros per space. It makes me wonder how long auctioneers and developers want the property market boom to last. Are they just trying to squeeze things for what they’re worth now cos they secretly not confident in the long term prospects of the market?? Of course thats dangerous talk. Seems to me that if they want the property boom to last longer a more restrained price approach would benefit all.
Wow, 45k for a car space sounds OTT to me. I thought CCC had some policy against selling car spaces separately to Apts?, maybe i got that wrong.
As for the property boom..reading the newspapers yesterday and being told of the % increase in 12 weeks in house prices is almost as unbelievable as reading that petrol could go to 5E per litre.@ewankennedy wrote:
I have a question. Has the Victoroa cross development by Frinilla been granted? I thought it was in appeal and the decision hadnt been made yet? Cos I was looking into it and told that a number of the apartments had already been sold?? The prices they quote me seemed astronomical for a 2 bedroom apartment!! Its pricing like that that makes people sceptical about the long term sustainability of the housing market.
Is it the Dennehys site you refer to?, 2 bed apts. have been sold for 430,000 euro, ok value given the location. (this price includes a car park space)
@Pug wrote:
@mickeydocs wrote:
TGV’s sold all over the world
alright, even though IRish Rail are one of my pet hates, lets talk about more important matters and keep this site to Corks Development like when Water St will get planning and how CSD even dream of fielding a candidate for the Dail based on buildings that should be lower than 3 stories. Had a look at their website and in fairness, they do have to put up with utter soul-less drivel (personal opinion) like the giant yellow brick from the ’70’s that is Victoria Cross but I completely disagree with CSD standpoint. Cork has great quays and could do 4/5 stories with 15 storey gateways like North Gate and South Gate etc.
Damm right, Victoria Mills is giving the CSD fuel for their fire. Going for the Dail on this issue is a joke just like “one issue Buttimer” is doing, but like i said before, at least we can be sure FG will keep him in place.
The Echo reports tonight that CSD have reported the City Manager to the Ombudsman, who is going to keep them quiet?@d_d_dallas wrote:
Well a certain Cllr has been selected to run for the Dรยกil by their party. Does this mean their interest in planning matters in the Bishopstown area has served its purpose? It will be interesting to see if the same issues become relevant when competing for a national role.
๐ฎ Tonights Echo has a story that CSD may be going to run in Cork South Central in 2007.
Cllr. Buttimer may spout drivel now and again to appease the “Anti” crowd but the Fine Gale Party will put him firmly in his box when needs be…CSD however may be more difficult to control?
The Csd website claims that they are going to report the City Manager, Mr.Joe Gavin to the ombudsman for not putting the 3 story height cap in place, this is on http://www.corksouthwest.com on their news page.
Can things get any worse??@dc3 wrote:
How nice it is to see our politicians entereing into this arena[ATTACH]2265[/ATTACH]
๐ฎ Christ, you would not see the likes of that in the Falls Road, Belfast in the bad days…looks almost as bad as the FF office in Bishopstown, Cork.
Never tried to post a photo before, how is it done?
I will try and post a photo tomorrow if i can figure it out.@Niall123 wrote:
The sings say it won’t be ready till Dec 2007. Surely this is a typo ?
Lets not even mention the food emporium on Father mathews Quay. Working on it now for at least 9 months and all I can see that they have done is gut the inside, done a bit on the structure and add an almost galvanise roof. Looks terrible too.
๐ฎ The Tom McCarthy development on Fr.Mathews Quay has me guessing as well.
Why do developers all put these cow shed type roofs on buildings? Is it just that they are cheap, or do they have some function? (other then keeping the rain out that is)
They have ruined their Kingsley Hotel with the same type of tin cladding.@d_d_dallas wrote:
Well a certain Cllr has been selected to run for the Dรยกil by their party. Does this mean their interest in planning matters in the Bishopstown area has served its purpose? It will be interesting to see if the same issues become relevant when competing for a national role.
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My father and mother are csd supporters, good old Jerry it seems asked for csd backing for the election but he was told where to go with his bleating as he is not รขโฌลHard Coreรขโฌย enough for these guys!!, God help this city.@BTH wrote:
….St, Patrick St. in Cork etc etc could all be paved completely in high quality stone and Galway had to settle for cheap and nasty crap…
๐ฎ Have you seen Patrick St. in Cork recently?, Joe Gavin seems to have a thing for continental style streets that work in Nice, Rome etc, but in grey Cork or Galway??
