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Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
There has been a serious breach of planning regulations at a development on College Road.
“Cliffords” shop (well known to generations of students) as well as no.’s 1 and 2 Westbourne, College Road have (over the weekend, surprise, surprise) been reduced to rubble to make way for a new development on the site. Planning permission for such demolition has not been granted.
PP was recently conditionally granted (04/28769) for the demolition of a portion of the existing shop and the dwellings and to construct 4 no. terraced townhouses along Highfield Avenue. With regard to the properties 1 and 2 Westbourne it was intended to convert these into 4 no. apartments.
Permission had previously been refused by CCC and ABP for the development of 8 no. student apartments on 4 floors at 1-3 Westbourne, College Road.
The applications were made by a Ms. Ann Clifford.The Planning Department at CCC can be contacted as follows, if you feel this merits a complaint:
Telephone: + 353 21 4924321 / 4924324 / 4924325 / 4924720 / 4924722 / 4924723Fax: + 353 21 4924706
e-mail: planning@corkcity.ie
😮 Happens all the time in Cork, remember Mr. Tracy and the listed Church in sullivans quay that “disappered” over a weekend without as much as a slap on the wrist from CCC. People that carry on in this fashion should be in jail.
Planning in Cork is a joke from the City Manager down.kite
Participant@phatman wrote:
Hahahahah, you can only laugh. This is a joke right? Some people are so ignorant, so conservative, so old-fashioned it amazes me. This is such a generalisation, just like the generalisation of speed limits, in being non case-specific resulting in excrusiatingly and exceedingly slow speeds on wide safe roads!
This is so lame.😡 Agreed, but when a councillor that would have been (until now) very much pro-manager starts jumping on the CSD bandwagon you can only wonder how long city management can hold the line?
kite
Participant😮 Following on the vote taken last year to ban residential units over 3 stories, proposed by FF’s Cllr. David McCarthy (passed by two thirds of councilors but never implemented by city manager, Mr. Joe Gavin) another proposal in the same vein is to be voted on tonight, a motion by Cllr. Mary Shields FF is to call for a blanket ban on units over 3 stories in Cork.
“Fianna Fail the developers friendâ€â€¦not in Cork city it would seem?July 17, 2006 at 12:08 am in reply to: Why are there so many one-off junkies suddenly visiting this site??? #778411kite
Participant@hutton wrote:
Yeah I noticed that too – I wondered whether it was a side reference to any crits on their tower at the docks. 🙂
😉 For a guy that lives most of the year in Eze, South of France, an area where you would not strain you neck looking up at the likes of the U2 tower he writes a lot about high-rise
July 16, 2006 at 10:10 pm in reply to: Why are there so many one-off junkies suddenly visiting this site??? #778409kite
Participant@Thomond Park wrote:
I think he addressed it in the Joshua Tree Albulm with the song where the streets have no name if you can call rows of one to the acre McMansions streets
Always ahead of his time our Bono
😉 Also preaching about high-rise in Running to stand still, “I see 7 towers and only see one way out”…
And in How to dismantle an atomic bombs all because of you..”some people got high-rises on their backs”
……Sorry for the rant, im just a fan of U2kite
Participant@A-ha wrote:
Six! The way things carry on in this country it will probably be made into a bungalow. I still don’t know how Eglinton St. is being built…. 80m including the spire (someone must have been given a brown envelope).
:rolleyes: Steady on now,,there are enough tribunals going on in Dublin….don’t involve Cork?:o 😮
kite
Participant@jdivision wrote:
Frinailla’s Victoria Cross scheme has been approved subject to conditions. Haven’t had a chance to look at them yet. Code is 216418 of anybody wants to check pleanala.ie
The IE had a story on this on Monday, ABP overturned their own inspector yet again to grant planning, anyone else feel that the frequency of appeals being overturned is alarming?
http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2006/07/11/story7985.aspkite
Participant@PTB wrote:
Who is Mr Keohane and why did he get hold of that building for just one euro?
😮 Mr. Keohane is a well known (and respected) property developer and business man in the city. He turned what was an ugly eyesore into a beautiful landmark building.
I feel sure he would have been prepared to pay a fair price to enhance his property, but as the city manager confirmed on radio today (96fm), it was Mr.J.X. Miller (Civic Trust) and Mr. Joe Gavin, (City Manager) that instigated the deal from day one.
Shame that it is Mr. Kehoane that ends up with egg on his face on this issue.kite
Participant@A-ha wrote:
A €1…. did somebody bid for it on eBay or something. I would have gone to €1.25, but that would have been my limit. That’s such a shame though. I really wanted to get to see that project through. Whats planned for the area now then?
😎 Nothing, the site is to stay as is, which is a HUGE improvement on what was there before.
Selling the site to Mr. K. was a great idea, the way it was carried through by the city manager and sold for 1euro is a scandal for the city and a huge (unnecessary) embarrassment for the buyer.kite
Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
So what happens the wall/fence now?
😉 To quote the city manager, “that will be taken care of soon”
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Participant@Radioactiveman wrote:
Thanks for taking the initiative AHA. Clearly the individual threads were not working! Nobody is going to open up an individual thread for the often small, seemingly insignificant bits of news that pops up on the ‘Developments in Cork’ threads- despite the fact that it all adds to creating one of the livliest threads on the site.
CCC have voted to dispose of that site on Popes Quay for the princely sum of one euro. In fairness, this talk of getting thousands for the site was a bit of a red herring given, to my knowledge, CCC had never owned the site up until the short time when they transferred the site to its new owner.
What I think is more relevant to this thread is the erection of a new wall/fence around the site. Does this destroy the view of the Civic Thrust building? Does it even having planning? Any info?:rolleyes: The wall and railing was erected without planning, rentention was applied for with a senior planner recommending refusal, this was overturned by the “senior” planner and granted.
Retired city architect, Neil Hegarty appealed the grant of premission and Mr. Keohane withdrew from ABP.
The city manager proposed selling the site to Mr. Keohane for 1 euro which was passed by councillors last night by 21 votes to 5.kite
Participant@Coexist wrote:
Basically I’m curious to learn if no reference was made to a pre-planning consultation on the application form, even though according to a large section of wording in the appeal to An Bord Pleanala such a consultation obviously took place how ought I to address this to my local authority or is it all merely a matter of hearsay? Surely, secret meetings cannot be engaged in at this level.
According to the Appeal I have no doubt that such a consultation occurred and although I checked and rechecked the application, there is no record whatsoever of such a meeting, This is very sinister indeed. Can I query my L.A.on this or is there anyway that this may be of interest to An Boad Pleanala?
Thanks again.
😉 If there are no files relating to pre-planning meetings between the LA and the developer (and you say they do exist) you should mention this fact to ABP as the planning laws would have been broken.
If ABP do their job properly the have to take this into account.Planning and Development Act 2000
Section 247.
(5) The planning authority shall keep a record in writing of any consultations under this section that relate to a proposed development, including the names of those who participated in the consultations, and a copy of such record shall be placed and kept with the documents to which any planning application in respect of the proposed development relates.kite
Participant@Angry Rebel wrote:
Does that mean that the City Council will provide the service or that they think it’s a good idea and that someone else should provide it?
I don’t see the need for it to be honest. The No 2 bus goes along the same route, and will do so faster. A ferry/taxi is restricted to 6 knots from Blackrock Castle up to the city centre. (Unless the operator can do some very fancy footwork with the Port of Cork). [6 knots = 7 mph!]
I think it’s all up in the air at the moment on who would provide the service Angry Rebel.
On the No 2 bus, the recent vote on the Blackrock Area Plan saw councillors from the area force city management to remove the “Green bus route” along the marina. Is this the No 2 route?, if so maybe the river would be a faster route rather then being stuck in traffic on a bus?kite
Participant@A-ha wrote:
From what was being talked about a few months ago, it would be a commuter style service to be used by both locals and tourists with each boat capable of holding about 20 passengers, maybe more, I’m not sure. It sounded like a good idea but I haven’t heard anything since.
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Cork City Council’s Planning & Development Strategic Policy Committee met on Monday 26th June and recommended a motion from Cllr.Denis O’Flynn to be approved by CCC to provide a river bus service to serve Mahon and Blackrock as part of the “Blackrock Village Planâ€, this follows a motion from Cllr.Chris O’Leary for a river bus service for the city centre.
A great idea if it ever becomes a reality.kite
Participant@A-ha wrote:
Having noticed that people are not taking an active interest since the opening of individual threads to replace our last Cork thread, I thought I would start a new one dealing with all aspects of Cork City, Metropolitan Area and County. I hope that this new thread will be used for Cork developments that don’t fit into the Transport or Docklands threads as I would like to see both of them being used also.
🙂 Well done A-ha, those other cork threads were in danger of falling off the radar they got so few people showing interest.
kite
Participant@Coexist wrote:
If anyone engages the assistance of a planner in pre-planning discussions is it imperative that a record of these discussions be keptm or is there a more informal way of just asking a planners advicem on a planning matter?
The reason I ask is that my LA specifies that a Pre-Planning Discussions Form must be filled out and submitted prior to any consultation and afterwards a Reference No. which must be stated on the Application Form is supplied. If this number is omitteed from an application form will it make it an invalid application?
Any advice on this one most appreciated, thanks all.
Under Section 247 of the P&D Act all LA’s are legally obliged to keep a copy of pre-planning discussions and these must be made available to the public. Any deviation from this could lead to an invalid application.
Hope this info is of some use?kite
Participant@Deadonarrival wrote:
Flew into the cattle shed that is Dublin Airpport this morning from Porto – the contrast in experience couldn’t be more different (and we’re the ones enjoying a 10 year boom?)
Porto – a simple 30 minute metro ride costing 1.40 to a sleek, contemporary terminal (see how pretty it looks https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4539)
Dublin – portacabin sheds stretching for what seems like miles into the mayhem of baggage reclaim as several planeloads of people crowded 4 deep waiting for their luggage…then onto a stinky bus (5euros!) which had to be diverted because of traffic caused by the wexford/kilkenny match
if we have any national pride – or pity for harrased travellers – the current terminal should be razed and replaced immediatly
😮 Could not agree more…traveling regularly between both Dublin and Cork “INTERNATIONAL†airports to Nice, France (not the main or second airport in France by any means) would make you wonder what dub and ork would be like if we were not the richest, fastest growing economy in Europe??
See Nice and cringe….
http://www.nice.aeroport.fr/include/default.asp?l=2June 29, 2006 at 8:18 pm in reply to: Auctioneers!!! selling land as development sites buyer beware #778563kite
Participant@Bourgeoise wrote:
Perhaps it would be better to stay within the jurisdiction of Cork City Council where the planners are humane beings and the rules of the game are administered by a referee of international standard, Ronnie McDowell, God bless him.
Ronnie “Victoria Mills” McDowell gets the “Best in Show” for his outstanding “solo run” at Victoria Cross.[/QUOTE]
😮
Aided and abetted by the “still†city manager, Mr. Joe Gavin, and the Director of Planning, Mr. Jim O’Donovan “now departedâ€kite
Participant@lexington wrote:
Not quite the point I was making – I’ll remove that remark, lest in be misinterpreted. Its not a political point.
😉 I understand, ’nuff said.
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Participant@lexington wrote:
Also, as I passed 2 young drivers today forking out money to the clampers for not changing their parking disks in time – I noted the chauffer driven vehicle of Cork Lord Mayor (newly appointed Labour councillor Michael Ahern) parked on a Loading Bay on Patrick’s Street at about 3pm. The Lord Mayor was doing the introductory rounds at the famour market – and his vehicle was untouched by Traffic Wardens and Gardai alike. Surely for a man on €80K a year as Lord Mayor, he could much better afford a parking ticket or clamp than part-timers or students.
😮 Labour Party me arse…if this dude is “left wing†then Berti is a Monster Raving Looney RED!!
The arrogance of some councilors is truly sickening. “Do as I say, not as I do†Eh?
Come back to the party “Red Mick†(Barry), all is forgiven….- AuthorPosts
