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😮 Concerns were rightly raised at a recent meeting by Cork City Councillors regarding foot dragging by some stakeholders on the proposed city docklands development.
Issues raised included the passing of five years without serious planning applications being lodged, and the prospect of another five years or so before the first stakeholders blink and take what is on offer money wise rather than wait to see if a few more euro can be extracted.(CCC’s lack of a determined blueprint for the area may have a lot to do with this deadlock ?)CIE, and the Port of Cork were mentioned at this meeting, POC member Cllr.Colm Burke raised the issue of POC needing 150 million to relocate to the lower harbor (up from 110 million from when the POC made a submission to CCC some months ago), meanwhile the POC listed building on Custom House Quay is at the point of collapse.
It may be worth more as a site than to restore / redevelop this historic Cork building?City Manager, Joe Gavin stated that out of the 8 major stakeholders involved in the docklands, 3 had reached the point of appointing architects and engineers to put forward proposals. BUT some Councillors said that this may be too little too late if Haulbowline Island gets the nod for an IFSC centre as proposed, which would probably make the docklands the biggest white elephant and waste of money in the states history!!
😮😮 Concerns were rightly raised at a recent meeting by Cork City Councillors regarding foot dragging by some stakeholders on the proposed city docklands development.
Issues raised included the passing of five years without serious planning applications being lodged, and the prospect of another five years or so before the first stakeholders blink and take what is on offer money wise rather than wait to see if a few more euro can be extracted.(CCC’s lack of a determined blueprint for the area may have a lot to do with this deadlock ?)CIE, and the Port of Cork were mentioned at this meeting, POC member Cllr.Colm Burke raised the issue of POC needing 150 million to relocate to the lower harbor (up from 110 million from when the POC made a submission to CCC some months ago), meanwhile the POC listed building on Custom House Quay is at the point of collapse.
It may be worth more as a site than to restore / redevelop this historic Cork building?City Manager, Joe Gavin stated that out of the 8 major stakeholders involved in the docklands, 3 had reached the point of appointing architects and engineers to put forward proposals. BUT some Councillors said that this may be too little too late if Haulbowline Island gets the nod for an IFSC centre as proposed, which would probably make the docklands the biggest white elephant and waste of money in the states history!!
😮@Dieter wrote:
The fact that you don’t like Tynan’s design does not make it bad architecture. What is truly “embarrassing” is to read subjective ranting on a site that is supposed to be for serious architectural criticism. I am not surprised that you find it an effort to “keep it up”.
I agree with rebel_city, but if others want to take the “see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil†approach to the utter rubbish that is Tynan’s & Montgomery’s Victoria Mills so be it.
Maybe you would care to nominate this pile of vile junk for another award Dieter?,most would prefer to set VM alight to rid the city of this embarrassment. 😡@who_me wrote:
It’s a real shame the way they’ve been “allowed” to crumble. It’s a waste of time having a Protected Structure policy if developers let them fall to the ground without recrimination.
😡 …or knock them down over a weekend, remember the Church / Sullivans Quay?
This practice seems to be CCC policy as there is cash in development levies, not in protecting what we have as a stand alone city .The entire city will end up like a “samey samey” copy of some UK high street thanks to Mr.Gavin & Co. 😮@Pug wrote:
beats victoria cross lads
😮 The public toilets on Mechrants Quay beat Victoria Mills.:mad:
Opus awards my arse…i closed my account with Bank of Ireland last year because of that sh*t award.😎 Now that the CSPCA applied to Cork City Council to build an Animals Home of 640 square metres and Boarding Kennels of 210 square metres in Mahon what is to become of their site on Clontraf Street?
This site and those adjoining will be a great addition to the high value development of the city if developed sensibly.@Dieter wrote:
Perhaps they got mixed up with Eden Hall Student Apartments on the Model Farm Road?
You are right Dieter, that is most likely what happened.
@opus wrote:
Just noticed in the Sunday Business Post today that the latest big idea from Estate Agents is that parents should buy property for any of their kids going to college. They suggest that place in Blackrock/Mahon called Eden as being perfect for this in fact! Not exactly convenient to UCC/CIT though. I assume things aren’t going as well for sales there as expected if they’re resorting to this approach?
:rolleyes: Was wondering what was going on in the “garden’ of Eden?
The affordable side of this development seems to be delayed (deferred) to the future as well.
How could this development compete with the Section 50 (tax free) scams in the vicinity of the UCC mafia?@d_d_dallas wrote:
The Jury’s redevelopment is very much a 21st century version of what it replaces. Cheap cheap cheap. Only this time on a larger more repetitious scale. Given the layout of the site, this has a damaging impact on most of Lancaster Qy. Incidentally Jurys are not the developers, it is OCP who are to blame for not splashing much cash at this.
😡 The blame for this joke is with the “professional” planners of Cork City Council.
You cannot blame OCP for asking for maximum profits, but CCC to sell the city short is unforgivable:o@corkdood wrote:
Anyone know what has become of Lexington? Has he been posting his news updates on another forum as he did during his last absence from Archiseek?
:confused: Lex has not been posting on the other forum.
😎 Frinailla received permission today on the Good Sheperd site with conditions.😎 The Bishop of Cork, Dr.John Buckley, has appointed Michael O’Flynn, MD of O’Flynn Construction to advise on what would be the best use to put the lands of Farranferris Collage.
@THE_Chris wrote:
It looks to me like a tower block on its side. Jurys has to the the most boring, unoriginal design that I have seen in Cork so far. Aside from that, it just plain looks bad.
😮 I agree with you, and others THE_Chris….but Jury’s could be worse!!, like this]http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=519&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0:mad:[/url]
🙂 Frinailla’s very attractive proposal for the former Good Shepard site on Blarney Street / Sunday’s Well is due a decision today from CCC. Fingers crossed for a positive outcome.
Stephen Rodgers reports in today’s Examiner: AN Bord Pleanála is to hold a second oral hearing on a long-running planning application for a 17-storey tower block in Cork City.
Limerick-based developer Werdna’s application to build a 304-apartment complex in nine-storey blocks, a 17-storey tower, a central plaza with retail units and a promenade in Water Street, has been in the planning system since February 2005 and followed a previous application for a 19-storey development in May 2004.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Suspected arson attack in Co Cork (RTE NEWS ONLINE)
28 August 2006 10:48
Gardaà in Co Cork are investigating a suspected arson attack on the former John Barleycorn Hotel in Glanmire.
A fire, which broke out at around 3pm yesterday, completely gutted the hotel. It was the second blaze at the building in a week.
The former hotel was bought earlier in the year by a property developer.
However, locals have complained that since the closure the site has become a magnet for vandals.
-END-This sounds so familiar, a contentious planning application, opposition from local residents, a well known building, lack of any adequate security and a mysterious fire…..lets all ponder that for a minute!!
:rolleyes: Moving statutes, spontaneous combustion…welcome to Ireland.
@rebel_city wrote:
Was just reading about the huge plans for both Limerick docklands and the proposed new Galway port. It said Limerick is a 40acre site and Galway has 32acres. Does anyone know what the size of the area up for development in the Cork docklands?
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Cork’s Docklands cover an area of 166 hectares of land on both banks of the River Lee, with 4 kilometres of waterfront.
@The Denouncer wrote:
U2 aren’t moving to Holland, just their finances. Therefore you will see them heli-coptering on top of their tower as planned, in 2009.
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The foresight of U2 eh!
Do you think when they were recording in Windmill Lane Studios all those years ago they knew the tax breaks would come to an end?…Windmills,,Holland!!:rolleyes:Radioactiveman wrote:5. Grand Parade Hotel (Frinailla have been slow to act here, possibly delayed even further by negotiations regarding the Library)
Any further info or views on any of these projects would be more than welcome.😡 Frinailla are not only delayed on their Grand Parade development, a little bird told me that a serious wobblier was thrown at a pre planning meeting when Frinailla were told that apartment development would NOT be welcome on the second phase of their Dennehys Cross site ( the Dennehys showrooms on model farm road), senior planner Ronnie McDowell was in attendence, (only one off housing accepted so it seems?)
Looks like pressure from CSD and their NIMBY Councilor buddies is having an effect. 🙁
Stand alone housing will make this site a very expensive buy for Frinailla.@jdivision wrote:
Basically large scale retailers won’t locate in places like Lavitts Quay because the footfall is insufficient. They want to be on Patrick Street. Unfortunately regarding the unit you’re discussing it’s too small for their requirements – you’ve got to remember by the time Mahon Point was completed its units were already too small for most retailers – over the last two to three years most of them have nearly doubled their minimum size requirements. The units in the extension will be significantly larger. Fashion retailers are all stocking larger ranges now and a lot are doing higher margin goods like homewares etc. A lot of them are therefore waiting for Academy Street – as already stated by me deals for the two major units are basically signed and ready to go subject to planning.
😀 Does bigger always mean better for the consumer, or the city? I would not think so.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
There has been a serious breach of planning regulations at a development on College Road.
“Cliffords” shop (well known to generations of students) as well as no.’s 1 and 2 Westbourne, College Road have (over the weekend, surprise, surprise) been reduced to rubble to make way for a new development on the site. Planning permission for such demolition has not been granted.
PP was recently conditionally granted (04/28769) for the demolition of a portion of the existing shop and the dwellings and to construct 4 no. terraced townhouses along Highfield Avenue. With regard to the properties 1 and 2 Westbourne it was intended to convert these into 4 no. apartments.
Permission had previously been refused by CCC and ABP for the development of 8 no. student apartments on 4 floors at 1-3 Westbourne, College Road.
The applications were made by a Ms. Ann Clifford.The Planning Department at CCC can be contacted as follows, if you feel this merits a complaint:
Telephone: + 353 21 4924321 / 4924324 / 4924325 / 4924720 / 4924722 / 4924723Fax: + 353 21 4924706
e-mail: planning@corkcity.ie
😡 Good to see the enforcement section of CCC are living up to their usual “high standards”:o
The foundations are poured and blocks are on site.
Has retention been allowed by CCC?, or has it been applied for?
