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@THE_Chris wrote:
Not having an offlicence is just daft. Whats the reason for that?
Some Councillors needed to justify jumping from being totally opposed to Lidl one week to welcoming the development on the night of the vote. All are aware that Lidl will go straight to ABP and would be 99% sure of overturning CCC’s condition.
@Sue wrote:
What’s the verdict on the new one? Seems like a reasonably faithful reconstruction
🙂 As good as could have been expected, the developer must be grinding his teeth at the lost revenue :p (no harm at all)
kite wrote:😡 A bridge too far for Lidl?
Councillors are due to vote again on the material contravention of the City Development Plan 2004-09 to allow Lidl open a store in Churchfield.
Following on a huge campaign in the past 2 weeks by residents, Councillors and TD’]:rolleyes: Surprise surprise, Lidl have been granted permission to develop a supermarket in Churchfield following the rezoning of land on the instructions (demands) of city manager, Joe Gavin.
Don’t get me wrong, I am absolutely delighted Mr. Gavin went against a Cork Mafia food giant in pushing for Lidl. 😉 I just hope when he needs sponsorship to redevelop a Queen Anne House in Cork in the future Lidl will step up to the mark with buckets of cash??( One of CCC’s Conditions of planning)
“The off-licence element of the proposed development shall be omitted and notwithstanding the exempted development provisions within the Planning & Development Regulations, 2001, as amended by the Planning & Development Regulations 2005, no part of the proposed retail unit shall be used as an off-licence”.@samuel j wrote:
Ah now Prax…. don’t think you should be mentioning Herr Haendel….sorry Mr. Handel….you’ll have us all in the sin bin again.
:rolleyes: Im going to follow the “mighty one” (whose name cannot be mentioned by us mere mortals) around the city from now on. At one o clock today he had to charge pensioners for bin collection, 5 hours later he FOUND over a million euro to allow him backtrack!!
Following him around Cork could make for a great Christmas??:p@Praxiteles wrote:
I wonder what we are looking into that taking such a long time, can we not just drive past, or are we just blind or otherwise impaired?
Ad re. nothing happening here is a term that might be mentioned: NON-FEASANCE
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/n066.htm
and this explains how to move forward:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MalfeasanceIts all down to the “great one†that cannot be criticized under any circumstances, the “mighty one†that was on the 11- 12, and one o clock news today telling us that his executive functions are his business and nobody else’s, this view backed by our Labour Lord Mayor who said “its out of councilors handsâ€.
The same mighty one is as I post about to get to his feet to tell us, (some viewers better shut their eyes now) that he got it all wrong and is backtracking on what was written in stone a few short hours ago.
Amazing what can be done when Councillors put their mind to things??@bosco wrote:
I pass this junction regularly on my way to work and I cannot believe how they are getting away with this. If they somehow got permission or get retention, it still beggers belief. The new structures have been built right out almost to the edge of the street, leaving a tiny strip of footpath. This is one of the busiest junctions in the area, and in morning and evening rush hours it is full of vehicular and pedestrian traffic going in all directions. If anything they should have been forced to move the boundary back from the street, not bring it closer. Now there won’t even be room for 2 people to pass on the footpath without stepping out into the traffic.
As clichéd as this sounds, it won’t be long before there’s an accident there and a pedestrian is knocked down.
While I was in the area I took a snap or two of the library extension:
To her credit Cllr. Catherine Clancy of the Labour Party has raised this illegal development with the city manager and planners, her answer from the manager was, “we’ll look into it’, months later and nothing has been done.
CIE have reported broken bus mirrors to CCC on a number of occasions due to the scaffold poles erected on the ROAD.
😡 The footpath outside this monstrosity is not wide enough for a wheelchair or a buggy, I sincerely hope nobody gets injured or killed because of the lack of planning enforcement, but if CCC and the city manager end up getting sued if such occurs they can just pass on the costs to Joe Public by a few extra euro on the business rate.@corkremembered wrote:
Hi, Just to say that some of my family lived in this terrace of houses from the beginning of the 1900s, until 1987. The terrace is called Corporation Buildings (named because it was built for corporation workers I believe). The cornerstone of the building was placed in 1901. When my family lived in the Buildings, they lived on the first floor which was a 2 bedroomed flat with a cooker and sink at the top of the entrance stairs and a small toilet just past this “kitchen”. The main living room had a door off leading to the first bedroom, and then a door from that one into the second. Wonder if anyone else has any photos of the place when it was first built? I only have a few family pictures and it did not look any different in the 1960s than it does now. It was a dismal place and in the early 1980s my great aunt was on TV discussing the damp and other problems the Buildings had. Even so, our family have great memories of the place.
I may be mistaken but I think I recall reading in the local press that the wall to the rear of your great photo was damaged beyond repair along with serious damage to some of the houses during nearby construction.
I think the residents were put up in city hotels for quite some time until the area was made safe.@James Furlong wrote:
I have resisted posting this for quite sometime but I feel it necessary to do so.
I am rather angered and annoyed by the petty, immature and consistent insults thrown around by members of this website at Cork City Council management. The constant barrage of German references and Nazi-style comparisons has grown utterly tiresome. I refer to two users in particular. Your comments do not add anything constructive to the debate on Cork’s development and as far as I can see have little by the way of relation to architecture. It has gone beyond criticism to nothing but mere insult and I for one have had enough of it. If the 2 users wish to continue such childish references perhaps you could find a more suitable forum to do so. I believe boards.ie have the capacity to cater for this.
If you have nothing useful to contribute, please do not contribute at all.
There is as far as I can see an awful lot of big developments emerging in the city coming into the New Year. These developments will shape the face of Cork for many years to come. I would much rather these were discussed rather than cheapshots at management in Cork city. I of course believe there is much room for improvement in the council (much!) but this can be discussed in a mature and responsible manner.
Get this forum back on track otherwise you will continue to lose interested viewers, which have been dropping like flies as far as I can see since a certain poster left. I fear I will be among those viewers to depart.
Patrick Street is the best street in the World
Joe Gavin is the best city manager in the World
We have the most informed local councilors in the World
We have the best build quality in the World
Nothing can ever go wrong for us now or in the future as we have the best Government in the World.
There you are now James you can relax for a while and let those without the rose tinted sunglasses (as it NEVER rains in Cork) point out the shortcomings of developments in Cork as well as the positive points.That anti high rise development (CSD) Muppet Councillor Jerry “I want to be a TD at any cost” Buttimer 😮 may have jumped the gun of his betters (i.e. the CSD Group) in objecting to the development of the former Esso Garage site in Bishopstown.
This development would consist of, demolition of all existing structures on site,(petrol pumps) construction of a new access onto Bishopstown Road, construction of car park access ramp, construction of a five storey mixed use building ( 11,052m2 gross floor area) over 3 basement levels of car parking (289 spaces), comprising, – 7 units of retail with optional additional use of restaurants, financial services and professional services, Medical and health services use in 7 units, and drop-in childcare facility at level 1, medical and health services use in subdividable units at level 2,3 and 4.
:rolleyes: Hopefully this dude will have a helicopter ready to transport his sorry ass to a medical facility if needed that he objects to in Wilton due to the traffic causing delays to him and his “nothing but a bungalow allowed sweetheart” Mary “full time bull’st*er” Shields of FF on their way to play bowels 7 days a week.
😮 We really do get what we deserve on the fools we vote for!!
Decision due date 9/1/07@Praxiteles wrote:
St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
The Altar of the Crucifixion in the South transept
This altar has been stripped of its cloths and fittings. Professor Cathal O’Neill proposed hacking the predella from in front of the altar and stacking a dozen benches in front of it.
😡 Good God, the violation of or culture just goes from bad to worse.
What would happen if some joker suggested;
Replacing the cape on the Statute of Liberty with a track suit?
Welded the “gaps†in the Eiffel Tower?
Replaced Tower Bridge with a Motorway flyover?
Repainted the Sistine Chapel?
Replaced the stars of the U.S. flag with smiley faces?Ropes and trees spring to mind.
Here in Ireland we appoint such jokers to town councils.@Pug wrote:
this is getting silly
Bord Pleanala have pushed the decision on werdna out to ……
15th December
With the power ABP has comes responsibility.
😡 ABP are hardly basking in any glory with this type of carry on, they should be “disbanded†and a genuine appeals board formed in their place.:confused: With regard to the planning process in Cork, does anyone share (or care about) my concerns that some planning applications that have gone through the process including the appeals board only to come back so many times for changes to the original application (some as many as 20-30 changes per application) that people cannot figure out what is going on?
This undermines genuine planning applications in Cork.
Examples;
Blackpool Developments Ltd.
RIGA Ltd.
Firestone Developments.
Frinailla Ltd.🙂 With the lands in Churchfield now rezoned to allow Lidl build a supermarket and CCC to give them the green light by way of planning on the 22nd Dec. I am told that plans will be submitted for a private hospital on lands to the rear of the Lidl site in the very near future.
Although at a very early stage, I fail to see why the city manager kept this to himself as I am sure even the hint of such a development would have seen the rezoning of the area taking a less contentious route.@Spinal Tap wrote:
Any news on the Werdna decision / deferral ?
Waiting for the weekly update on the ABP website (5.00pm on Wednesdays), fingers crossed.
@Pug wrote:
smcmc ltd have applied again for a private hospital at garranedarragh, bishopstown – had previously been refused
The first application was deemed too large to fit in with the County development Plan.
I believe the new proposal is only one third the size of the first so it should go through planning ok.@Praxiteles wrote:
Kite!
Not to break the thread of conversation but I was asking on the Christmas Tree thread whether Herr Gavin, Cork’s friendliest Reichsgauleiter, has managed to get a Christmas tree erected on Patrick’s Street?
Christmas Tree Praxiteles??
I avoid St.Patrick Street as much as possible as figures released this week confirm that people are abandoning the City center in their droves due to the blitzing of motorists by clampers, tow trucks, and wardens (some scumbag smashing a window in your car would be a welcome, and cheaper alternative)
Parking revenue from scratch cards DOWN
Revenue from clamping DOWN
Revenue from tow away DOWN
Mr. Gavin (150k – 200k pa) says, “motorists are becoming more compliant†11th Dec 2006…..Wake up Mr.G. people are abandoning our city.So Praxiteles im afraid I cannot help as to whether the guy has stuck a tree in Patrick St., I’m too afraid to drive through to see.:eek:
Cork City Planners granted permission last week to carry out development for the demolition of the existing 6 no. terrace houses and shop and construction of a 3 storey and part 4 storey apartment block consisting of 22 no. apartments, roof terraces, underground car park and ancillary site works at Carmelite Place, Cork, in accordance with plans and particulars submitted on 21/10/05 Ref. T.P.05/30195.
:confused: The Cork City Manager, Mr Joe Gavin in his Managers Order of THIS week is proposing adding numbers 1-6 Carmelite Place, Western Road to the list of Derelict Buildings.
I would appreciate if anyone could answer the following questions for me;
Are these one and the same place?
If so why would they be added to the Derelict Site list now that planning has been granted?
Does the Manager and his planning staff ever talk to each other, or is this a response to the request by City Councillor’s (at the behest of the CSD anti high rise group) to have this planning application sunk by way of the motion some weeks ago to have these buildings added to the Derelict Site register and then taken over by CPO??:eek:
Councillors voted 27 – 2 tonight to rezone lands in Churchfield to allow Lidl open in the area. A condition of planning will prevent an off license as part of this development.
ABP will have the final say on the matter of the off license. It will be interesting to see if the planning appeals board will go against such strong feelings of Councillors, OR indeed if Lidl will proceed without the off license cash cow?😡 A bridge too far for Lidl?
Councillors are due to vote again on the material contravention of the City Development Plan 2004-09 to allow Lidl open a store in Churchfield.
Following on a huge campaign in the past 2 weeks by residents, Councillors and TD’s in support of Lidl it now seems certain that anti Lidl Councillors will propose that their support will only be forthcoming if Lidl agree to not having an off license in store.:eek:
What are the chances of getting two thirds of council’s support tonight?😮 City manager, Joe Gavin’s ambition (promise) that Lidl would be trading on the cash cow northside of Cork may have come off the rails.
One vote by councilors months ago against his plan was followed two weeks ago by another “Nice Treaty†(keep voting until you get the result you want) vote until Mr.G pulled the plug at the last minute when the vote was going down the Swanny and he promised a Part 8 Planning (whatever I want without the plebs interfering) to delay the vote until tomorrow night.
Now however the Councillors with their tongues up Mr.G’s ass are fuming that his bail out to them in the form of the Part 8 process has not yet been delivered to us, and Councillors may not get sight of his plans until 5.00 pm tomorrow, 1 hour before the vote on the matter is due.:mad:
