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@Praxiteles wrote:
Nice posting, Ake, but there is no need for the amazement concerning the quality of Irish church building up to the 60s: just take a look at St. Francis in Liberty Street in Cork or The Descent of the Holy Ghost at Dennehy’s Cross in Cork etc.
WHat is amazing that this whole tradition seems to have evaporsted over night in the 1970s.
…and despite most of these Churches being listed buildings, unelected officials, (Mr. Joe springs to mind) insist on “linier views†from one or two angles same taken from a 80 ft. cherry picker to justify surrounding beautiful buildings by slum flats to maximize development levies (and their “performance†related bonuses + future employment prospects) :rolleyes:
@bosco wrote:
I pass this junction regularly on my way to work and I cannot believe how they are getting away with this. If they somehow got permission or get retention, it still beggers belief. The new structures have been built right out almost to the edge of the street, leaving a tiny strip of footpath. This is one of the busiest junctions in the area, and in morning and evening rush hours it is full of vehicular and pedestrian traffic going in all directions. If anything they should have been forced to move the boundary back from the street, not bring it closer. Now there won’t even be room for 2 people to pass on the footpath without stepping out into the traffic.
As clichéd as this sounds, it won’t be long before there’s an accident there and a pedestrian is knocked down.
While I was in the area I took a snap or two of the library extension:
😎 In response to complaints from Cllr. Clancy, Cork City Manager Joe Gavin has issued enforcement notice under Section 153 of the Planning & development Act 2000 on Ann Clifford in relation to Clifford’s Shop, 1 & 2 Wesbourne, Collage Road.:) 🙂
Mark Kelleher’s 3G group is out of faviour with city fathers at the moment; following refusal on his proposal for the former Esso garage in Bishopstown he is to receive a Warning Letter under Section 152 P&D Act in relation to his Courtyard Development on Hawks Road.
Also on the receiving end of the Managers displeasure in relation to planning are Joe Carey and Frank Sheehan in relation to 11B, 12 & 13 Watercourse Road. An Enforcement Notice will be landing in their letterbox by Friday 19th Jan.
@Pug wrote:
development of the former esso garage at bishopstowm refused due to:
1. pedestrian and traffic hazard
2. Height,scale, bulk would be incongruous with surrounding buildings (? doesnt the hospital have height scale and bulk?)
3. Over looking adjoining residential propertiesDoesnt anyone do pre planning?
The application was for construction of a five storey mixed use building ( 11,052m2 gross floor area) over 3 basement levels of car parking (289 spaces), comprising, – 7 units of retail with optional additional use of restaurants, financial services and professional services,
as for RDJ, could they not just be acquring that on someones behalf?
That planning was refused to appease a local Councillor and residents, no other reason.
RDJ are acquiring the fee simple on behalf of Matthews Ltd.
@lisam wrote:
The Half Moon St project includes Tenko & the Matthews centre as well, which will be demolished when planning is granted ( thay haven’t yet applied for planning)
Ronan Daly Jermyn solicitors have applied under the Landlord and Tenant Ground Rent Act 1967 on behalf of D. Matthews Ltd. to acquire the fee simple from the representatives of David Russell Crawford for the premises 8 Half Moon Street.
The lease dates from March 1st 1873 between David Russell Crawford and Barry Sheehan for 400 years @ 12 pounds P.A. rent.The Cork Independent 11th Jan.2007
By Finbarr Cullen.BERNARD v OWEN
BERNARD Allen has gotten rightly up the nostrils of the man changing the face of Cork city, glass box builder Owen O’Callaghan.
Allen complained that the Horgan’s Quay development would not include a conference centre and, that if the thing were ever built, it would be ten years down the line by which time Limerick will have pipped Cork with its own plan for an 8000 seater centre.
We’ll be left with nothing, moaned Bernard, as there wasn’t room for two conference centers in Munster.
The northside deputy alleged that the emphasis was on residential and commercial units at Horgan’s Quay because they brought in more bobs – not on a conference centre.
He also took a swipe at the “promises we’ve heard beforeâ€, such as the one concerning the Corpo owned land at Mahon that was sold with the proviso of an events centre being built but with a clause enabling the developer to get out of the obligation if he wanted to. He did and, according to Bernard, the Horgan’s Quay proposal was now going the same way.
Back came O’Callaghan to rebut Bernard’s criticism. A centre at Mahon had not been economically viable, he proclaimed but, of course, like everyone else he was all for the idea on Horgan’s Quay.
As was City Manager Joe Gavin.
Significantly, however, O’Callaghan didn’t say when at Horgan’s Quay the conference centre would go ahead neither now nor in the future.
Bernard it seems is right. The conference centre has been put on the long finger, a very long, long finger.
And Cork will lose out.Oyster Developments have appealed to ABP to add an extra floor to the six storey development approved by Cork City council to the “protectedâ€:o structure, Deane Street / rear of Parnell Place.
@malec wrote:
Don’t like this proposal, not because it’s 20 floors high though. In fact I wouldn’t mind it being that 20 floors high at all, but it needs to be a landmark building not a generic tower block. My way of thinking is the taller the proposal, the better it needs to be, I’d love for something not boxy to be built there, something along the lines of this:
I agree with you malec, unfortunately I can never see a building like the one in your photograph being built in Cork as square box ugly designs = maximum floor space to make more lovely money. That along with city planning staff that don’t give a shit as long as the city manager stays off their backs means we are doomed to the likes of Victoria Mills.
😡 Pity Mr.Gavin won’t have to answer for his mistakes in years to come.@samuel j wrote:
Swansea-Cork ferry service closes – from RTE.ie
January 08, 2007 18:39
Thirty staff are being made redundant in the Swansea-Cork Ferry company, after the company was unable to find a replacement for the ferry it sold last October.Tourist and shipping interests have called for Government intervention to prevent the closure of the Swansea Cork Ferry Service which was estimated to be worth €35m to the tourist economy in the South.
The ferry company failed to obtain a more modern vessel to operate the service this year, after it sold the 35-year-old ship it had been operating last October.
A €30m deal for a ship fell through before Christmas and the company says it has been unable to buy or charter a ferry so there will be no service from Cork to Swansea this year.
Its annual operations were from March to January.
The International Transport Federation called on the Ministers for Marine and Transport to intervene to prevent the loss of the service, which has carried three million passengers over recent years.
Interesting….. Not news as this was a strong rumour around the harbour last Oct , that a replacement was not being sought and that it was to close….
From the Irish Examiner 1st August 2006:
Ferry offers refunds amid ship sale
Swansea Cork Ferries confirmed it will end its sailing season in October following its decision to sell its 34-year-old mv Superferry.
Managing director Thomas Hunter McGowan said negotiations were well advanced to buy a replacement vessel.
It will be ready to ply the route by March 16, 2007.
Up to 18,000 passengers were expected to travel the route during the winter period, which includes the Cork Jazz Festival and the busy Christmas rush.
By yesterday, up to 1,000 places had been booked. But because the buyers need the vessel in October, the company said its sailing season will end on October 7.
“All passengers booked for sailings in the winter period are being informed of this change,†Mr McGowan said.
The company has already contacted almost 800 passengers. They are being offered full refunds, earlier travel dates, or places on ferry routes out of Rosslare.
The company’s shore staff will not be affected by the sale. The 85 ferry staff, who had contracts until October pending possible extension, are likely to be employed on the new vessel next year.
The mv Superferry was built in Japan in 1972. It was rebuilt in Greece in 1991 and sold to Minoan Lines, who renamed the vessel Erotokritos. It was sold to Strintzis Lines in May 1991 who renamed it Superferry.
They, in turn, chartered it to Swansea Cork Ferries from 1993 to 2000, who then bought it in 2002, making it the first vessel to be owned by the company.
“She has served the route well but the market has changed and we require a different configuration for the future. Unfortunately age catches up on us all,†Mr McGowan said.
The identity of its buyer, and sale price are protected by a confidentiality clause.
However, it is understood the vessel, which industry sources say could have sold for between €4 million and €6m, is on its way to the Mediterranean.
The 137-metre ship has 480 beds, 180 cabins, and 300 car spaces over two decks.
It has carried almost three million passengers in its time with Swansea Cork Ferries.
The new vessel will have more cabins and extra freight capacity.
Praxiteles wrote:As far as I can see Kite the most obvious thing kept out of photographic-frame in this nice RTE production are the usual guffers – none was present. Where have they gone to, I wonder?😮 Most likely still on Christmas holidays, as they seem to be in the city.
Called to the environment section today at 4.45 but nobody was available to deal with my query…â€maybe tomorrowâ€
When leaving the city hall I nearly broke my neck by slipping on the cheap leftover paving from Patrick St. that our “chosen one†decided to lay (disposing of the historic paving that was there for decades)@Praxiteles wrote:
Did anyone see Nationwide on RTE this evening?
I believe that The Chris’ photographs of the interior of the spire of Cobh Cathedral may well have given someone in Nationwide an idea for a programme broadcast this evening. Congratulations Chris!!
Try this link:
😎 Thanks for that link Praxiteles, great views of Cobh on that RTE clip.
How did they omit the modern “GEMS†:rolleyes: that our planners allowed in the recent past?, the Garda station, the SW office, could it be they would be utterly embarrassed to show such vandalism?
Also the shot of the mosaic walkway did not show the destruction carried out in the name of progress.Aidan wrote:Kite, do you have any more information beyond what was in the planning app? (7 stories, retain frontage etc). Or is this your natural pessimism showing through? ]:rolleyes: Just my natural pessimism im afraid.
Listing a building to only include it’s knobs and knockers just does not make any sense to me.
😮 That “BUILDING” is listed, lets demolish it and retain the glass in the windows!!!!Example:
Irish Examiner 1998 (T. Barker)
CORK CITY is due for a windfall with a record@phatman wrote:
Todays examiner has a piece about updated plans to develop the Neville building on Lapp’s Quay, right next to O’Flynn’s no. 5/6 development, to incorporate the existing sandstone warehouse. From what I can gather it will be office-orientated, and could involve anything up to 5 or 6 stories.
That proposal sounds like a Connelly Hall Mk 2, that ugly smoked glass building that most people are condemning since it was built. Will we ever learn?
@jdivision wrote:
This is a tactic used regularly by developers in Dublin, I expect the involvement of Pierce may be the reason the alterations are being used
Like I mentioned in a past post, if the planning laws allowed for a charge of say 250,000 euro for each “alteration†it would concentrate the minds of developers to get it right first time out.:cool:
@mickeydocs wrote:
Is Eden Village in construction?
Firestone Developments are under construction with Eden, but as discussed on the thread in the recent past these guys are one of many development company’s that keep going back time and time again for “ALTERATIONS†to approved planning applications…
New application under TP06/31376…alterations and additions to existing approved scheme (TP 03/27645) as follows: Omission of 57 no. dwelling units comprising: 11 No. C Type (3 strorey duplex building consisting of 1 No. 3 bed unit & 1 No. 2 bed unit), 1 No. F Type (3 storey duplex building consisting of 1 No. 3 bed unit & 2 No. 2 bed units), 16 No. P Type (2/3 storey duplex building consisting of 1 No. 3 bed unit & 1 No. 2 bed unit). Addition of 118 No. dwelling units in 4 No. apartment blocks ranging from 4 to 5 stories, comprising 19 No. 1 bed units & 99 No. 2 bed units, all over basement carpark providing 112 No. carspaces with 42 No. surface parking spaces provided, with modifications to site layout & road carriageways to include parking spaces, bicylce parking, refuse storage & associated external site works. The proposal onstitutes the provision of a net additional 61 dwelling units over and above that previously granted on the 12.33 hectare site (30.47 acres) at the lands known as the Ursuline Convent of which the convent and chapel are protected structures. The site is bounded by the Blackrock Road (to the north), Convent Road, a convent & burial ground, Ballinsheen Court Housing and park to east, Open fields to the south and Scoil Ursula Primary School, Ursuline Secondary school and a disused railway line to the west.
:rolleyes: No wonder planning is a dirty word in Ireland.
@PVC King wrote:
A concrete shaft
some people are obviously very easily pleased
Well said PVC King, I was itching to make a comment on the utterly embarrassing way that some people are holding 18 floors of poured concrete as a milestone of World construction without waiting to see the final outcome. Posting anything but “The King is great long live the King†seems to bring out a defensive attitude with some posters, possibly the same people that refuse to hear a bad word said about one of the biggest planning disasters in Ireland, Victoria Mills. 😮
From today’s Irish Examiner:
Mad money? Cork City Council is to spend 500 million on a range of projects on the city’s northside. It kicks off with a 24million euro purchase of 96 apartments in the former Our Lady’s Hospital on the Lee Road.
It paid on average 250,000 euro per unit, and intends to relocate older people to the facility, in the so called ‘grey building’ without a public bus service or shop nearby.
The site has proven a boon for developers Lance, who have been involved in slow sales in the Atkins Hall scheme for several years.
They bought the hospital a decade ago for just 960,000 euro and will end up with hundreds of new and refurbished apartments here.RYANAIR has promised Cork Airport it would improve business with an extra million passengers, but only if the budget airline is allowed to use the airport’s old terminal.
Last summer, Cork commissioned a new €200m terminal – and its old arrivals and departures facilities are earmarked for administrative use. Other parts of the terminal will be mothballed.
Ryanair’s chief operating officer, Michael Cawley, has now indicated that the airline could base up to five aircraft at Cork and deliver numerous new routes if a combined deal can be hammered out on use of the old terminal and landing charges.
Currently, Ryanair has just one Boeing 737-800 aircraft based at Cork – and only flies from Leeside to Dublin, Liverpool and London (Gatwick and Stansted). In contrast, Ryanair operates more than 60 different European routes from Dublin and Shannon.
Mr Cawley said a deal would prove hugely advantageous to Cork.
“All the business that comes to Cork is price sensitive – it needs to be. Any growth that occurs here in the future needs to be at low fares,” Mr Cawley said.
“If Cork Airport is prepared to substantially reduce the costs which it charges, perhaps by accommodating us in the old terminal, well, we are quite open to that,” he added.
Cork lost a number of other airlines over recent months, including Loganair, Easyjet and Czech/CSA.
The airport’s main business is now derived from three carriers – Aer Arann, Ryanair and Aer Lingus.
Cork – like Shannon – is increasingly dependent on business from budget carriers and seasonal holiday charters. However, with the issue of the debt over Cork’s new terminal still unresolved, it remains to be seen how many marketing incentives the airport can afford to offer airlines.
Transport Minister Martin Cullen has yet to rule on a row between the Cork Airport and Dublin Airport authorities over who should foot the €180m to €200m bill for the new Cork terminal.
Speculation
Speculation has mounted that the airports will be asked to halve the debt, leaving Cork to pay off a €100m capital debt from its operating budgets.
Mr Cawley said that new business could prove crucial to Cork’s ability to generate resources to fund any such debt.
“They must be much more competitive than they are today. We have too many choices around Europe. We have too many alternatives which are much cheaper,” he said.
Ralph Riegel
© Irish Independent
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/ & http://www.unison.ie/goldiefish wrote:….What will become of the Old limestone buildings that sit within the walls of the CIE yard at Horgans quay? Will they “fall down” by accident during the construction process(as has already happened elsewhere in the county to listed buildings or those with preservation orders)….…And by the way, where is the historic fountain on Grand Parade gone? This important structure has served as a useful facility for years where many a young student learnt to swim during Rag week. Also missing is the Traffic Island that was used by many motorcyclists as a safe parking space,QUOTE]
As long as insurance companies cover acts of spontaneous combustion listed and protected buildings are in danger in Cork.:rolleyes:
The fountain on the Grand Parade was to be removed permanently to provide a turning area for cars. Following representations from “civic minded†councilors on Cork City Council (yes there are some) the fountain was removed to facilitate the renewal works.
😎 It should be back in all its glory in March 2007@Pug wrote:
you’d wonder why details arent available until christmas day, why even do that? does that mnean its granted or not? what does it matter to try and keep details secret over a holiday ? why even state that on their planning? thats a disgrace
🙂 Hope it will be a Happy Christmas for Werdna
