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The comparison with the Australian cross continent railway has always been an absolute joke.
Their line is built through an unoccupied desert as opposed to smack bang through the centre of a capital city.
Per kilometre, Luas is however more expensive than similar systems built in Nottingham and in France, which are the only valid comparisons.
Nottingham’s newly-opened NET system was built at the cost of €18.5 million per kilometre.
Luas is costing around €33 million per kilometre.
The cost of acquiring land has been a big factor in Dublin. Also, Nottingham’s system doesn’t include any suspension bridges.Previous Boardwalk took a lot longer than that, I’m afraid. Would be highly unlikely to be finished for the Summer unless they’ve learnt an awful lot of tricks since the last time.
Speaking of bridges, the Luas bridge at Heuston is open to pedestrians again for the first time in what must be several years.One stop is for Smithfield, and the other is for the Four Courts. They’re close but so is the Jervis Street stop close to the O’Connell Street stop. They need to be near each other when they get that close to town.
The ‘no foods’ ruling seems quite restrictive – it should be no junk food.
Aside from a book/newspaper/magazine stall, I can’t think of too many things that would be successful.There are multiple entrances to Clerys. One on Talbot Street side and several (I think three) on O’Connell Street.
Taking on board what’s been said in another thread about the use of parks.
Isn’t it amazing that nobody ever suggests building a station in the Phoenix Park/Dublin Zoo neck of the woods when they talk about the interconnector.
If that circle line from Heuston to Connolly were ever reopened, it would be criminal not to put in a stop in the park for locals and tourists alike.It’s now brighter than it’s ever been.
Also, if you stand directly underneath it now when it’s dark, it appears that there are dozens and dozens of little lights shining out.
That’s the first time that I’ve seen that effect, which was obviously the original intention of the perforated tip.I think they could start by getting the rentboys and al fresco sex merchants out after hours. Personally, I would love to see the area around the People’s Park floodlit and left open after 8pm for joggers or cyclists.
I also think the plans to make a footbridge from the new Heuston Gate development south of the river are fantastic.
Having said that, the Park does get exceptional use. In Summer, it’s mobbed with people running, playing football, until nightfall. And the rest of the year, it’s absolutely packed at weekends. Also, Dublin Zoo is the most visited attraction in Ireland.The Junction logic is pretty simple. They run numerically in two concentric (inner and outer orbital) circles.
They work up to a point and I’d imagine they are helpful for non-Dublin drivers.
Still, there should have been a better information campaign.
I remember getting a leaflet explaining it the first time right, before Seamus Brennan blocked them. No leaflet when they eventually went up.
I’d also argue that the national road numbers, N1, N2, M50 and so on are very well known to anyone who drives regularly.At least we’ve never done this:
And most development of the past 50 years isn’t dense enough to support mass transit—even when it is, the failure of newer suburbs to build sidewalks has made it unpleasant or impossible for many Americans to walk short distances to schools, stores, bus stops, and train stations. (This, coupled with the rise of fast-food chains, may be where the Interstate system and the nation’s obesity epidemic intersect.)
I’ve made this argument before on previous threads.
Luas has an extreme southside bias in that none of the line really serves Northsiders at the moment, yet runs through their part of the city centre (though the extension will help matters).
The only Northsiders who’ll use it would be a couple of hundred residents of Stoneybatter/Conyngham Road really. Everybody else is close enough to walk to town. Someone living in Smithfield might or might not use it – but it’s primary purpose isn’t serving them.
I still find it hard to believe that either line was considered more important than one up past DCU, through Ballymun and on to the airport.
And even though I think the Dundrum/Sandyford line has the benefits of passing through some wealthy areas – it was built largely because the track was already there.A good sixty per cent of the two lines is just regular old train tracks. Most of the Dundrum line is like that and then all along the Naas Road is like that as well.
I love this line in particular.
“This follows a study by Management Horizons Europe which found there is a “significant undersupply” of high quality, four and five-star hotels in south Dublin compared to other European cities.”
What’s that supposed to mean? i thought there was only one “south Dublin”
I don’t think the lights have ever worked the way they were supposed to. The orangey lights that are there at the moment are only temporary.
I wouldn’t be surprised it they’ve gone back to the drawing board on this. I think they just took the fact that they broke completely as an opportunity.Diaspora,
He was referring to a specific priest in the Father Ted programme, who was indeed played by Graham Norton.
Last time I checked, I don’t think you have to be Irish to watch a programme that was first aired on Channel 4.Ninety five per cent of the area over which Luas travels will be entirely separate to road traffic, so no it won’t cause more congestion.
It will take hundreds of cars a day off the roads. It’s not a perfect solution, and it is almost exactly like a glorified bus, but it’s certainly not going to make things worse.
Diaspora, I don’t know why you have to treat every point as a conflict.
How and ever, I’m assuming the “joke” that is public transport extends as far as the Dublin Bus website, which lists the following routes for this area.
“Heuston Stn.” is serviced by the following routes : 25X | 26 | 46A | 46X | 51 | 51D | 51X | 66X | 67N | 67X | 69x | 748 | 79 | 90 | 90A |
“St. James’s Hospital (James St. Entrance)” is serviced by the following routes : 123 | 206 | 51B | 78A |
There are other bus routes from Chapelizod and Blanchardstown that could also be used.
Also, I know literally dozens of people living in Stoneybatter, Islandbridge, Kilmainham, Fairview, Ballsbridge, Donnybrook, Ringsend, Ranelagh and so on, all of whom walk into the city centre. So, I don’t know where this centrality thing comes from.
Yes, Fairview and Ballsbridge have good public transport networks. So do all of these central locations because they tend to attract five buses from five different suburbs. It doesn’t mean that Heuston doesn’t have a good network.
Aside from everything else, I think it’s also worth pointing out that the Military Road site is a very short, twenty-minute or so walk (ten-minute cycle) into the city centre.
With Luas (almost certain to be finished by the time the tower is built) and at least a dozen bus lines running along the North and South Quays, and a couple of others through Kilmainham – I would find it hard to think of an area better served by public transport.
